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iPhone 4 video showing NO SIGNAL LOSS when held "incorrectly"

Swampthing said:
Alot of people here COMPLETELY missing the point. Let me overly simplify it. :rolleyes:

A. News reports show signal loss from 5 to 0 bars when held "incorrectly." Numerous consumers who see these reports and are on the fence about buying an iPhone hear that it affects ALL iPhones and in some extreme cases people are claiming the iPhone 4 doesn't even work as an iPhone.

B. I hold the phone the same way and get zero signal loss. No I didn't get out an electronic meter to measure it, because neither did the news reporters.

C. All the Anandtech article proves is that the iPhone 4 behaves like any other cellphone. It is strong in some areas, weak in others. Covering up an antenna affects signal reception. OMG... stunning news. I guess those folks never owned a transistor radio back in the day and noticed how the signal changed based upon whether you are physically touching the antenna.

D. There is no proof whatsoever that the problem affects ALL iPhone users.

E. End of story.
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Are you even reading the posts in this thread?
 
Small White Car said:
iPhones.

It affects 100% of iPHONES.

No one is talking about users. If that's what you're going on about, ok. You're right. It doesn't affect all users. But no one really cares. People are searching for an unaffected iPHONE, not an unaffected iPHONE USER.

Is that all you're trying to prove? We know that already.
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That's why I said USERS. :eek:
 
Small White Car said:
I see you did say that sometimes. You also said this: You can't blame us for reading what you wrote and thinking you meant it.
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Um.. I said NEWS SOURCES say iPhones, not me. Read your own quote closer a few more times and stop jumping the gun to reply so fast. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
I agree with the others. Your video proves nothing because your iPhone was obviously in an area with extremely strong signal. The range of 5 bars is -51dBM to -91dBm. So, if you are in an area giving you anywhere from -51dBm to -67dBM, the -24dBm drop (caused by holding the lower left corner) wouldn't be enough to drop below 5 bars of signal.

I don't know why you don't understand this. But keep on believing what you want to believe.

Mark
 
Swampthing said:
Alot of people here COMPLETELY missing the point. Let me overly simplify it. :rolleyes:

A. News reports show signal loss from 5 to 0 bars when held "incorrectly." Numerous consumers who see these reports and are on the fence about buying an iPhone hear that it affects ALL iPhones and in some extreme cases people are claiming the iPhone 4 doesn't even work as an iPhone.

B. I hold the phone the same way and get zero signal loss. No I didn't get out an electronic meter to measure it, because neither did the news reporters.

C. All the Anandtech article proves is that the iPhone 4 behaves like any other cellphone. It is strong in some areas, weak in others. Covering up an antenna affects signal reception. OMG... stunning news. I guess those folks never owned a transistor radio back in the day and noticed how the signal changed based upon whether you are physically touching the antenna.

D. There is no proof whatsoever that the problem affects ALL iPhone users.

E. End of story.
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Part A is correct. Its not a big problem for most users if they have a case or are in good locations. Most people love their iPhone 4.

Part B sounds fine. All iphone 4 users experience this in certain locations.

Part C, the article shows how other phones are affected. The iPhone 4 is especially sensitive to signal loss. Also, no death grip required. You just have to put a fingertip to the antenna gap for the signal loss.

Part D, there is no absolute proof but all the phones were built with the same antenna design and it is especially susceptible to human interference since it is external.

Part E, you showed us.
 
Only 3 pages before we realized we were talking apples vs oranges: users vs phones.
"To communicate is to be misunderstood."
 
Ok lets be fair here. It affects 100% of all phones, not just iPhones.
My nexus one behaves the same way as my iPhone 4.
Death grip both phones in certain areas of DC (where I work and live), and the signal drops. But is it unusable? No. I can't get the signal to drop in most parts of the city, only when I'm in the burbs where I know there is fringe coverage.
All of my phones have had this signal loss problem. My first GSM phone, Sony Ericsson T637, was notorious for this.

I think the answer lies in 850 vs 1900 mhz. I wonder if there is a way to see which spectrum one is using when the bars are dropping. But I'm not an expert, so I digress...
 
Jack Dangers said:
Ok lets be fair here. It affects 100% of all phones, not just iPhones.
My nexus one behaves the same way as my iPhone 4.
Death grip both phones in certain areas of DC (where I work and live), and the signal drops. But is it unusable? No. I can't get the signal to drop in most parts of the city, only when I'm in the burbs where I know there is fringe coverage.
All of my phones have had this signal loss problem. My first GSM phone, Sony Ericsson T637, was notorious for this.

I think the answer lies in 850 vs 1900 mhz. I wonder if there is a way to see which spectrum one is using when the bars are dropping. But I'm not an expert, so I digress...
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OMG... this group is going to put you in front of a firing squad for saying this, you know.
 
touchmonkey said:
Only 3 pages before we realized we were talking apples vs oranges: users vs phones.
"To communicate is to be misunderstood."
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That's what happens when people JUMP before reading carefully. So unusual for a MacRumors forum... :p
 
The problem does affect ALL users.

Why do I say this? Because overwhelming evidence supports that the increased attenuation due to the iPhone 4 antenna design is a result of design and not a defect related to certain builds.

Going on that information, it's safe to say that overwhelming evidence supports that all iPhone 4's experience an approximate loss of 24dB of signal strength when touching the lower left gap.

Furthermore, users are not stationary objects and cellular coverage is not a solid blanket. I guarantee every user, at some point, finds themselves in areas or locations with compromised signal strength. In this situation that user would be directly affected by the gap issue.

Some users may spend most of their time using their iPhone 4 in areas where the problem does not drop their signal to critical levels...others may find they spend significant amounts of time in such areas where the issue is severe. (home/work).

Regardless, ALL users will, at times, be in areas where the signal is less then stelar and at those times, the user is affected even if it's a minimal amount of their daily routine.

End result? Overwhelming evidence says that ALL iPhone 4's suffer from this design flaw and ALL iPhone 4 users will, more or less, be affected when they find they need to utilize the phone in a lower signal area.

Lastly, for those that go on about how all phones do this...you are correct PARTIALLY. Typically a drop of around 10dB can be expected from the signal needing to penetrate your water filled hand. This matches closely with what the iPhone 4 loses when gripped with a case on. Unfortunately the iPhone 4 loses 24dB without a case on. That's a ~150% increase in signal loss by making direct contact with the gap as compared to other smart phones or using the iPhone 4 with a case.
 
Wow this **** is getting retarded.

This "death grip" hysteria has to stop.

Take any phone into a low signal area and grip it by the short and curleys and it will lose signal.

This is not unique to the iPhone 4.:mad:

I can very easily replicate the "death grip" but I am yet to drop calls, have call quality drop or data stop mid download/upload.

If people are having these problems you will have then with any phone because you live in a poor signal area.


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OP, I seriously doubt this will change your mind, since you're not actually listening to anything anyone is telling you, and it seems your mind is made up, but...

I could make a video like yours right now. I could be in a 5 bar area a mile away from my house, and no matter how I grip the phone, the bars don't drop.

BUT, I can sit in my office at home, with 5 full bars. I place a single finger on the seam and eventually drop to 1 or 0 bars.

I can use my old Razr phone, completely cover the entire phone with both hands, squeezing as tight as possible, and still not drop a single bar.

Again, your video doesn't prove anything other than the fact that you are in a strong signal area.
 
Vertigo50 said:
OP, I seriously doubt this will change your mind, since you're not actually listening to anything anyone is telling you, and it seems your mind is made up, but...

I could make a video like yours right now. I could be in a 5 bar area a mile away from my house, and no matter how I grip the phone, the bars don't drop.

BUT, I can sit in my office at home, with 5 full bars. I place a single finger on the seam and eventually drop to 1 or 0 bars.

I can use my old Razr phone, completely cover the entire phone with both hands, squeezing as tight as possible, and still not drop a single bar.

Again, your video doesn't prove anything other than the fact that you are in a strong signal area.
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so why can't some of us duplicate this issue when we are in a low, 2 to 3 bars, signal area? are you saying that my 2 bar signal is stronger than someones 5 bar signal?
 
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