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I'd rather keep the iPod Touch super thin and put in a smaller camera, like the one in the iPhone 3GS, wouldn't that fit? Or even a non-auto-focus camera. The point of that would be to do augmented reality. Face time is an important thing, they will probably include it, I just can't see why the hole in the case is though to be a camera and not the already existing ambient light sensor.
 
I'd rather keep the iPod Touch super thin and put in a smaller camera, like the one in the iPhone 3GS, wouldn't that fit? Or even a non-auto-focus camera. The point of that would be to do augmented reality. Face time is an important thing, they will probably include it, I just can't see why the hole in the case is though to be a camera and not the already existing ambient light sensor.

Ambient light sensors don't need that hole. They see through the plastic. If there was a hole, you'd be able to feel it. Go grab an iPod touch and feel the top bezel for a hole. You won't find one.
 
i hope they put a rear camera in.

Partly because of taking photos - apple is big on multimedia and this would encourage people to look at iphoto etc

But also because of apps that use the camera - there are a ton of image processing apps, and also augmented reality stuff that would benefit from a larger addressable market.
 
I think Apple is going to place the iTouch a bit cheaper than the iPad. Sort of a mini iPad. With 3g support, 2 cameras, and GPS. Cost around $400 for the 32 gig model.

this is actually a good point. Ipad has a 3G option but isn't a phone. So maybe that puts some weight behind an optional 3G line of ipod touches? the reason 3D is valid on the ipad is for browsing while out and about. Web is still a major part of ipod touch, so why isn't the same use case valid?
 
well you've gotta remember that at it's thickest point, it's 8.12mm thick. and the iPod touch 1st generation was 8mm thick as well, and still thinner than a pencil. If they squared the design off, it would probably get thicker anyway. Thick enough to maybe fit a 5MP camera. But, don't get hopes up, it may still very well by the 3.2MP camera from the iPhone 3GS. However, a FaceTime camera is very expectable.
 
If there was a way that Apple could fit the same 5MP 720p rear camera in the Touch, I would be all over it. I actually want a Flip type camera for making Youtube videos but I haven't brought myself to spend $200 on a device that can only do video. My ideal iPod touch would have:

32/64gb flash memory
720p 5MP iPhone 4 camera
Headphone jack on the top (I hate hate hate the bottom headphone jack. Especially annoying when I have my iPod connected to a car head unit)
VGA video camera in the front for FaceTime

Offer me this iPod at $299/399? I'll take it. :D It would entirely destroy the mini HD camcorder market and get more iOS devices in the consumer's hands.
 
Apple, just make the ipod touch bigger to fit that cam in, i wouldn't care...

I agree, but they will never make it bigger. Apple only wants their devices to become smaller and thinner, it's the obsession of Jobs.
 
???

Why is everyone saying that apple will have to make the ipod touch thicker? They could somehow find a way to shrink the camera a bit, like they shrunk the Intel Core 2 Duo chip to fit into the MB Air with collaboration with somebody
 
Why is everyone saying that apple will have to make the ipod touch thicker? They could somehow find a way to shrink the camera a bit, like they shrunk the Intel Core 2 Duo chip to fit into the MB Air with collaboration with somebody

The problem is quality. It is way hard to get good lighting with a smaller sensor. That is why Apple didn't reduce the sensor size when everyone else would have.
 
The Mini has NEVER been marketed as a home theater PC. It has absolutely no software to even SUGGEST that Apple EVER had that in mind (i.e. Front Row is hopelessly outdated; iTunes does not support most HD rentals for non-Apple TV machines including the Mini and Blu-Ray support is nowhere to be found on ANY Mac). The Mini was marketed originally an entry-level desktop Mac that the masses could afford, not a HTPC. If this is a HTPC, it's that in the minds of those trying to justify its existence. To everyone else, it's just another expression of Steve's obsession with completely unnecessary thinness, especially given it IS marketed as a "desktop" machine and yet uses mobile/Macbook parts.



So you being sick of hearing it makes it any less true? Even if the Mac Pro was up-to-date, it's still the only true "desktop" Mac and yet is priced squarely in the workstation level arena. This leaves Apple with an obvious gaping hole where the true consumer level desktop should be. iMacs and Mac Minis don't cut it given their mobile parts. Pretty doesn't make up for power ever. Yet Apple wasted its time and resources on the Macbook Air which clearly overlaps their entire notebook range while they have no true consumer desktop models what-so-ever to offer in the PC's largest consumer computing arena for desktops. It is mind blowing that even Steve could overlook such a huge gap in the lineup, but then he is so obsessed with thin and cares so little for gaming that he probably truly believes that market doesn't matter and that an iMac is "good enough" for "truckers" while the iPad is good enough for everyone else. Sadly, he's wrong.

Did you forget to see that the new mac mini release included hdmi out? Too me that screams HTPC.

And have you ever used a Imac? Not seeing how the current version is using mobile parts and you cant beat that 27 in display. Seems like a true Desktop to me.
 
"...Much too thick to cram into a player that’s only 0.2 inches thick.
Wiens reports on the relative sizes of the hardware in question:

- iPhone 4 5MP (back) camera: 6.5mm
- iPhone 4 Facetime (front) camera: 2.5mm
- iPod Touch width (at edges): 6mm"


I like how we find out first how thick the player is: 0.2 inches
and then how thick the camera is: 6.5 mm

Doesn't really match.
Not very scientific using two different systems
Hmm...
Which one is better suited?
0.2 inches (what does that look like?)

We are never gonna make it to metric are we?
 
I wouldn't mind downgraded quality. Something is better than nothing.

No, the better option IMO would be for Apple to get over the thin obsession and make it capable of having the same camera (assuming of course they don't actually prefer to have the Touch crippled compared to the iPhone, which is certainly quite possible).

Like I said in another post I find my first gen Touch uncomfortable to hold in comparison for things like web browsing in large part due to it being so thin and sharp. Maybe I'm in the minority but still. I also cannot think of a single time I thought my iPhone was too thick. JMHO.
 
As others have stated, why wouldn't the new iPod Touch share the same form-factor as the new phone? This is a pretty idiotic thread, to assume the next touch won't have the camera for that reason.
 
Is there a possibility to just take let's say the iPhone 3GS cam? I mean it would be still fine for an mp3 player...
 
while the picture shows the iPod touch is slightly taller in the center than the camera. there's stuff like case and screen glass that takes up a non-negligable amount of space.

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Except for that the camera would stick through the casing and be flush with it, not be crammed inside. That would allow for a bit more room. It just has to be as thin as the distance from the back of the casing to the back of the screen.

It does seem obvious that the 5MP camera won't fit at all though.
 
Did you forget to see that the new mac mini release included hdmi out? Too me that screams HTPC.

I didn't forget, but that is a recent development and it doesn't change the fact that you still cannot rent the vast majority of HD movies in iTunes from a Mac-Mini or any other "Mac". You must use Apple TV or you get about 2 dozen (mostly b) movies to rent or buy in HD. Everything else is off limits.

If the Mac-Mini were truly being marketed as a HTPC by Apple, they would have rectified this the day the new model was released and allowed it to rent those titles just like an AppleTV (and/or updated the FrontRow interface to act as an AppleTV on models with HDCP support (HDMI isn't necessary, just HDCP so any Mac with HDCP on it could be supported including Mini-Display Port). I'm all for this, BTW. I just don't believe Apple ever marketed the Mini as a HTPC. It also has no UpNP support and neither does iTunes or Apple TV (shame on the latter since it then could use a NAS or Router with UpNP/DLNA and attached storage to access a movie/music library without requiring a Mac or Windows PC running iTunes to be present to access the library.

Apple is YEARS behind on this technology and they don't appear to care one bit. Apple TV has been described as a "hobby" for Steve Jobs and unfortunately, this means it gets no attention because Steve is way too busy worrying about iPHones and iPads to play with any hobby devices. Like the Mac, if Steve wants to focus on iOS devices, he should appoint someone else to be in charge of Macs and Apple TV as he clearly does not have time to keep them properly up-to-date and in good competition with the rest of the industry.

And have you ever used a Imac? Not seeing how the current version is using mobile parts and you cant beat that 27 in display. Seems like a true Desktop to me.

The 27" model (only) has an option for a quad-core CPU and they (all) do use 3.5" hard drives, but the GPU used in ALL iMacs are mobile versions from everything I've read (some mobility chips are desktop chips purposely clocked lower to reduce heat/power consumption, but it's still the "mobile" version of the chip).

2.5" hard drives can be just as fast as 3.5" ones (my new replacement drive for my MBP is a 7200 RPM 500GB model and it's slightly faster than my 3.5" Seagate 1.5TB Barracudas used in my server) so that's not the real problem. GPUs are the real problem. The primary advantage of desktop computers over mobile ones is the ability to do things like play games and gaming needs good GPUs. Even the Mac Pro is using out-of-date desktop GPUs so it's not exactly a great option even if you have the money.

My point here is that Apple needs a real consumer desktop for things like gaming and other GPU intensive tasks. A mobile chipset just doesn't cut it. With companies like Steam TRYING to support Apple it's a shame Apple doesn't really want to support them. You'd think that Steve would have learned from the iPod Touch that gaming is IMPORTANT and that it shouldn't be overlooked just because he isn't very interested in it. Computers aren't about Steve Jobs. Steve Jobs is supposed to be about computers.

Let consumers determine what they want to do with the product. Apple's job is to provide the hardware and software support needed to facilitate that. Apparently movies and music is good, but gaming is not except on touch-screen devices? That makes no sense. I hate a lack of real controls on the iPod Touch for many games for that matter. It cannot replace a joystick or keyboard/mouse combo for certain types of games. In fact, they should have a way to use those on iPads, for example with the docking station if they even want to think about real gaming support. It would also make sense for a future AppleTV to be able to play those types of games, but that means it needs a remote/pad or joystick controls to replace the touch screen.

For that matter, I don't understand why Apple doesn't have an iOS gaming interface for Macs (maybe inside iTunes?). There is no technical reason iOS apps couldn't run on a Mac and there are a lot of games that would be fun to play on a larger screen/controls than an iPod Touch can offer. I mean if I'm at home and want to play a certain game, why should I have to suffer with a tiny screen when I've got 24" monitors nearby? Either that or the developers should offer (and Apple should support an easy conversion method) Mac versions of their games assuming they think they're worth more than a cheap diversion on an airplane. This would also give Mac gaming a bit of a boost.
 
How long will did it usually take for apple in the past to release an equivalent IPOD touch model after a new Iphone was realeased? I'm just interested roughly when to expect a new IPOD Touch revision. 6mths? 12mth? I've been using my IPOD for about 2 years and is due for an upgrade. Looking at the new A4 chip, I'm really interested in the next IPOD touch upgrade and hope it has one too. Will it be like an IPAD except just more portable? what about battery life? the new IPHONE 4 has increased battery life, it'd be great to have exactly the same features on the IPOD touch cos I don't really need another phone. Just love the idea of a truly portable mini computer that can be used to surf the net via wifi. I can overlook the fact that apple will never support flash on portable devices cos I've already got some awesome studio/music related apps just waiting to be uploaded onto an IPOD Touch. guess I'll have to just have to wait and see..

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