iPhone 4S Closes Sales Gap on Android as Apple Sweeps Top Three Smartphone Models

*LTD*

macrumors G4
Feb 5, 2009
10,703
1
Canada
That's your opinion. It's not fact. Let's be clear. Different business models is the reality. But keep dreaming your dream LOL
Motorola Mobility is a sinking ship. Lousy products, lousy service. Hopefully Google plans to actually use them for something other than patents. Will the deal even close?

Moto is losing share to AAPL and Samsung, with no discernible way to reverse the slide. The whole thing is looking like a RIM situation.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Google-shares-slide-Motorola-rb-3788863529.html

Google shares slide after Motorola earnings warning

“Shares of Google Inc. fell nearly 4 percent on Monday, after Motorola Mobility Holdings Inc’s warning of worse-than-expected financial results raised concerns about Google’s pending acquisition of the smartphone maker,” Alexei Oreskovic reports for Reuters.

“The $12.5 billion acquisition of Motorola, the largest in Google’s history, is expected to close early this year,” Oreskovic reports. “Motorola’s weak results ‘may suggest further deterioration in the business since the acquisition was announced, and they highlight the uphill battle for Motorola’ in the competitive smartphone market, JP Morgan analyst Doug Anmuth wrote in a note to investors on Sunday.”

Oreskovic reports, “On Friday, Motorola Mobility said its fourth-quarter financial results would miss Wall Street expectations due to tough competition and higher legal costs associated with intellectual property litigation.”



Yeah, exactly: "Let's be clear."
 

samcraig

macrumors P6
Jun 22, 2009
16,637
41,153
USA
Motorola is a sinking ship. Lousy products, lousy service.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Google-shares-slide-Motorola-rb-3788863529.html

Google shares slide after Motorola earnings warning

“Shares of Google Inc. fell nearly 4 percent on Monday, after Motorola Mobility Holdings Inc’s warning of worse-than-expected financial results raised concerns about Google’s pending acquisition of the smartphone maker,” Alexei Oreskovic reports for Reuters.

“The $12.5 billion acquisition of Motorola, the largest in Google’s history, is expected to close early this year,” Oreskovic reports. “Motorola’s weak results ‘may suggest further deterioration in the business since the acquisition was announced, and they highlight the uphill battle for Motorola’ in the competitive smartphone market, JP Morgan analyst Doug Anmuth wrote in a note to investors on Sunday.”

Oreskovic reports, “On Friday, Motorola Mobility said its fourth-quarter financial results would miss Wall Street expectations due to tough competition and higher legal costs associated with intellectual property litigation.”
Nothing you posted/linked to supports your statement that Motorola lacks confidence in their products. Keep changing your point/moving the goalpost around at will though. It's transparent.
 

QCassidy352

macrumors G4
Mar 20, 2003
10,648
2,807
Bay Area
All the $100 to $230 Android phones on that list outsold the 99 cent ones... which didn't even make the list. Apparently "free" Android phones don't account for the most popular sales.
not individually, but how many "free" models are there?
 

ArtOfWarfare

macrumors G3
Nov 26, 2007
8,591
4,063
Or closer home...how many models of iMacs, MBPs, and iPods are there? Does that suggest Apple lacks confidence in their other products?
I think we're having a disagreement on the definition of what a model is here, because if you ask me, Apple has a single model of iMac and a single model of MacBook Pro. You can get it in different configurations, which have various tweaks to CPU and HD and RAM or screen size, but it's all one model. Apple didn't reveal them separately. They said "This is the iMac. It has a glass front, aluminum trim, aluminum back," etc. "It comes in 24" and 27" variations." They introduce the iPhones the same way, they come with a variety of colors and HD sizes. But it's all one model.

Samsung doesn't reveal their phones the same way. They consider the Samsung Galaxy S 4G and the Samsung Galaxy S II to be two separate models. They're introduced separately. etc.
 

MacCurry

macrumors 6502
Aug 28, 2006
407
55
***caution this data is for the us only***

The iPhone 3GS, 4, and 4s are a great value at a subsidized price. The Galaxy S 4G and Galaxy SII are technically superior phones, but cost more than the iPhone variants.

The way smart phones are sold in the US, you get no financial benefit from unsubsidized phone (unless you are with TMO USA). So it is not surprising the iPhone still sells well.

Even then - the Android phones still have a slight advantage of 4% because people want flexibility. People here can trash talk Android all they want, but in a little over 3 years its come a long way and for those of us running ICS 4.0, it has become quite refined.
 

danahn17

macrumors 6502
Dec 3, 2009
384
0
I think we're having a disagreement on the definition of what a model is here, because if you ask me, Apple has a single model of iMac and a single model of MacBook Pro. You can get it in different configurations, which have various tweaks to CPU and HD and RAM or screen size, but it's all one model. Apple didn't reveal them separately. They said "This is the iMac. It has a glass front, aluminum trim, aluminum back," etc. "It comes in 24" and 27" variations." They introduce the iPhones the same way, they come with a variety of colors and HD sizes. But it's all one model.

Samsung doesn't reveal their phones the same way. They consider the Samsung Galaxy S 4G and the Samsung Galaxy S II to be two separate models. They're introduced separately. etc.
But... they're two different phones/model. The Galaxy S 4G is still a "Galaxy S" family phone whereas Galaxy SII an newer model. While some carriers are selling both, there's a considerable price different. It's like the iPhone 4 (Galaxy S) and iPhone 4S (Galaxy S II). Both iPhones but different generations.

Granted, each carrier has a different Galaxy SII, some of them more different than others... but Samsung categorizes them in the same family. And the way I've seen these phone referred to in the press and media is "variants," just like Apple and it's variations.

I don't know why they do that and from the outside, and to be honest, from a manufacturing cost perspective it seems like it would make more sense to have the same model/variant across all carriers...but I guess it works for Samsung.

And i still don't think it suggests a lack of confidence. Disregarding whether you think the Samsung Galaxy ads taking aim at Apple were good or not, the fact that they're positioning the Galaxy SII as an iPhone competitor suggests they're very confident in their products.
 

surf2snow1

macrumors regular
Feb 26, 2008
163
43
People here can trash talk Android all they want, but in a little over 3 years its come a long way and for those of us running ICS 4.0, it has become quite refined.
Congrats, it only took how many years for an OS that Jobs claims is copied to become 'quite refined'. :rolleyes:
 

the8thark

macrumors 68040
Apr 18, 2011
3,993
873
Android is selling more phones But can not crack the top 3 individual models sold. This means only one thing. Massive fragmentation with many many models getting a few sales. But the cumulative total of all these many Android models is slowly creeping up to the 3 iPhone models.
 

gnasher729

macrumors P6
Nov 25, 2005
16,640
3,294
2 - They display a lack of confidence in their own products. Essentially they're saying "Hey, we know neither one of these are perfect, so we'll let you choose which one you think is better." Apple, on the other hand, displays extreme confidence in their product by saying, "Here it is. This is the best phone on the planet. We tested dozens of other designs, and this one is the perfect one."
I think this is a rubbish argument. No product is perfect _for everyone_. The exact same thing that one person loves is what another person hates. Do you think a white iPhone is better than a black one, or do you think the black one is better? Nonsense. None is _better_, but some people prefer one colour, some prefer the other, some don't care.
 

justperry

macrumors G4
Aug 10, 2007
10,314
5,572
I'm a rolling stone.
FYI, the world does not start nor end with America.
Exactly

Actually, the world (of technology gizmos) does indeed start with America.
Now, your thinking is all black and white isn't it!

Without British Arm no i - Phone-Pad-Pod
Without Dutch ASML no Machines to manufacture Chips
Without Dutch Philips no Optical Media(CD-DVD-BR) nor cassette's and so on....
Without German Alfred Einstein We would still live in the middle ages and have no Atomic Bomb:D
Without many European Visionaries like the one above there would be no Americas

And then all those other people in other parts of this world, Like cheap labour in Asia there would not be those (cheap) technology gizmos.

And so on----And so on

Edit : I am still happy that there is the US which has great things including Apple but don't be so narrow minded.
 
Last edited:

fpnc

macrumors 68000
Oct 30, 2002
1,927
96
San Diego, CA
If these numbers are true it would seem that iOS could be outselling ALL of Android by a substantial margin here in the U.S. If the smartphone share is nearing parity then once you add in the iPad and the iPod touch it would seem possible that Apple's iOS is now leading Android in sales here in the U.S.

I know that Amazon has sold a good number of Android-based tablets/readers in the last few months but I'd expect that total, non-smartphone sales would still favor iOS to a degree that could give Apple the lead during all of the last quarter.
 

newagemac

macrumors 68020
Mar 31, 2010
2,090
19
If these numbers are true it would seem that iOS could be outselling ALL of Android by a substantial margin here in the U.S. If the smartphone share is nearing parity then once you add in the iPad and the iPod touch it would seem possible that Apple's iOS is now leading Android in sales here in the U.S.

I know that Amazon has sold a good number of Android-based tablets/readers in the last few months but I'd expect that total, non-smartphone sales would still favor iOS to a degree that could give Apple the lead during all of the last quarter.
Apple's iOS has always lead Android in sales not just in the U.S. but worldwide too. It's only in smartphones that Android gained a lead. And it's going to be difficult for Android to catch up to iOS in market share if it doesn't catch up in the tablet category. Smartphones alone won't do it because the tablet market is growing so fast.
 

marksman

macrumors 603
Jun 4, 2007
5,764
5
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 5_0 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/534.46 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.1 Mobile/9A334 Safari/7534.48.3)

Shocker. I said apple would finish with the top three spots long before the 4s came out.

That no android handsets can outsell the 3GS is telling.
 

marksman

macrumors 603
Jun 4, 2007
5,764
5
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 5_0 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/534.46 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.1 Mobile/9A334 Safari/7534.48.3)

kdarling said:
It says alot when a 3 year old iphone sells more than "the best" android. Boom!
Yes, among other things it says that 99 cents is a very attractive price for an iPhone (especially versus $100 to $230 for all the others in the top nine slots).
Apple outsold the 3GS with two more expensive models so the price does not explain why no android handset could do it. Apple did it easily, with two different phones.
 

marksman

macrumors 603
Jun 4, 2007
5,764
5
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 5_0 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/534.46 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.1 Mobile/9A334 Safari/7534.48.3)

MacCurry said:
The iPhone 3GS, 4, and 4s are a great value at a subsidized price. The Galaxy S 4G and Galaxy SII are technically superior phones, but cost more than the iPhone variants.

The way smart phones are sold in the US, you get no financial benefit from unsubsidized phone (unless you are with TMO USA). So it is not surprising the iPhone still sells well.

Even then - the Android phones still have a slight advantage of 4% because people want flexibility. People here can trash talk Android all they want, but in a little over 3 years its come a long way and for those of us running ICS 4.0, it has become quite refined.
Yeah too bad people who bought phones 24-30 months ago can't run the latest os, unlike apple
 

ArtOfWarfare

macrumors G3
Nov 26, 2007
8,591
4,063
I think this is a rubbish argument. No product is perfect _for everyone_. The exact same thing that one person loves is what another person hates. Do you think a white iPhone is better than a black one, or do you think the black one is better? Nonsense. None is _better_, but some people prefer one colour, some prefer the other, some don't care.
Some things, like color, are a matter of taste and about 50% will like it one way and the other 50% will like it another.

Many things, however, are not a matter of taste and it's easy to say one thing is better than another. Thus how products can be rated by review companies.
 

KnightWRX

macrumors Pentium
Jan 28, 2009
15,046
4
Quebec, Canada
Some things, like color, are a matter of taste and about 50% will like it one way and the other 50% will like it another.

Many things, however, are not a matter of taste and it's easy to say one thing is better than another. Thus how products can be rated by review companies.
Look, why do you insist ? Giving consumers choice in their phone models is not a sign of lack of confidence, nor does offering different models "canabilize" the manufacturer's sales any (it spreads them over more models, thus giving you less numbers per model, but the same overall sales or more if you've reached a broader audience).

Your post was plainly wrong. Why even bash Samsung over this anyhow ?
 

*LTD*

macrumors G4
Feb 5, 2009
10,703
1
Canada
Just connect the dots. No surprises. Top three smartphone models, the most satisfied customers.

http://www.loopinsight.com/2012/01/09/iphone-satisfaction-at-75-closest-competitor-at-47/

http://www.changewaveresearch.com/articles/2012/smart_phones_20120109.html

iPhone satisfaction at 75%; closest competitor at 47%

Apple makes products that people want. Unlike their competition, they also make products that work and last. Evidence of this is in the latest ChangeWave customer satisfaction survey results.

According to the survey, 75 percent of respondents said they were very satisfied with their iPhone. That compares to only 47 percent for Samsung and HTC.




Only 45 percent of Motorola customers are satisified with their smartphone, while LG (31 percent), Nokia (23 percent) and RIM (22 percent) round out the list.



Customer satisfaction for Apple’s iOS tops the list of the 4,000 North Americans that took part in the survey too. iOS took a 75 percent satisfaction rating with Android coming in a distant second at 47 percent. Windows OS (32 percent) and RIM (22 percent) were last on the list.
 

samcraig

macrumors P6
Jun 22, 2009
16,637
41,153
USA
Just connect the dots. No surprises. Top three smartphone models, the most satisfied customers.
Is this post to "support" your statement that Motorola doesn't have confidence in their products so that's why they keep coming out with new ones?

Because if this is your "evidence" - there aren't any dots to connect. You keep posting stats about satisfaction, sales, etc. None of that has any relevance to Motorola's business plan and phone roadmap.

Keep reeaaaccccccchhhhiin' there LTD
 

MacCurry

macrumors 6502
Aug 28, 2006
407
55
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 5_0 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/534.46 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.1 Mobile/9A334 Safari/7534.48.3)



Yeah too bad people who bought phones 24-30 months ago can't run the latest os, unlike apple
Actually, all of the phones listed are running Android 2.3. Only the Galaxy S will not get 4.0. However, running iOS 5.0 on the iPhone 3Gs leaves much to be desired.
 

MacCurry

macrumors 6502
Aug 28, 2006
407
55
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 5_0 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/534.46 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.1 Mobile/9A334 Safari/7534.48.3)

Shocker. I said apple would finish with the top three spots long before the 4s came out.

That no android handsets can outsell the 3GS is telling.
Absolutely. When you're giving them away for $0.01 to $50, no other phone can touch the iPhone 3Gs. In fact, BB is giving buy 1 iPhone 4 and get another free. You can't beat that either.

Great pricing, mediocre product, and great customer support keeps, and will continue to keep, the iPhone as the top selling smart phone.

The rest of us who want a technologically superior device will go for an Android with ICS 4.0, but we'll pay for it.
 

Tiger8

macrumors 68020
May 23, 2011
2,479
649
FYI, the world does not start nor end with America.
It actually does. If it wasn't for 'America', you wouldn't have had the iPhone, plus a million other products. Haters are gonna hate, and I gotta say, Jealousy is a hell of a drug!