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I used to do fresh re-installs of Windows on a yearly basis, but the registry has been managed much more effectively since from Vista and 7 onward. Combined with the vastly superior hardware of today, registry issues are virtually non-existent now. Believe me, I understand your hesitation... but I think you'll find that the state of Windows today is generally better than it's ever been. I love my Mac, but I certainly don't mind Windows.
I am a Unix person. Windows sucks.
 
They are better at long time support, so it is normal businesses choose them.
True, as there is really no good reason for them to cut off support for older devices at this point as they aren't really that much slower. The same is true on Macs (and only Macs, I'm not including iPhones and iPads here). I would agree that Apple's decision to cut off support for Macs older than "late 2009" with macOS Sierra seems rather arbitrary and isn't based on a good technical reason. That said El Capitan should continue to receive security updates for a couple years.
 
OP, you are talking and ranting to the wrong people. Call Apple


Just out of curiosity I read some of your other posts. You like to argue don't you
 
As others have said, it will probably still receive security patches if major vulnerabilities are found, but at some point, it stops being worth a company's time and effort to focus on protecting a product that's been out of production for years.
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No one is being an Apple apologist. This is just reality. No company is still providing regular support for their 2011 flagship.
T-Mobile USA never bothered updating the 2011 "flagship" galaxy S (vibrant) to even gingerbread (android 2.3). In fact it was abandoned within 6 months of its released by a "4G HSPA model".

So be glad Apple supported the 4S for 5 years come this fall. (3 years since they last sold it in 2013 as a budget phone)
 
T-Mobile USA never bothered updating the 2011 "flagship" galaxy S (vibrant) to even gingerbread (android 2.3). In fact it was abandoned within 6 months of its released by a "4G HSPA model".

So be glad Apple supported the 4S for 5 years come this fall. (3 years since they last sold it in 2013 as a budget phone)
I don't buy crap branded/locked phones.
 
Apple should be supporting the A5 devices with security updates for a while, they sold the iPod Touch 5 and iPad Mini 1 up until less than a year ago and around 45 percent of the installed iPad market are A5 iPads. Thats a lot of devices. In my own household, come September, 5 of our devices will be unsupported.

As I've said before, in the interests of the environment, keeping old devices still safe to use should be a priority, And Apple should be putting out continued security updates for devices that are still in high usage, especially because the reason that they are in such high usage, was Apple's greed for keeping hardware for sale well past its use by date.

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So be glad Apple supported the 4S for 5 years come this fall. (3 years since they last sold it in 2013 as a budget phone)

I don't see other's poor support as an excuse for Apple to not support its own products longer.
 
T-Mobile USA never bothered updating the 2011 "flagship" galaxy S (vibrant) to even gingerbread (android 2.3). In fact it was abandoned within 6 months of its released by a "4G HSPA model".

So be glad Apple supported the 4S for 5 years come this fall. (3 years since they last sold it in 2013 as a budget phone)

Well for starters, Apple was still selling the iPhone 4s in India until 4 months ago. Even in India, that's a pretty short window of support for a phone that was still pretty expensive by India's standards.

Second, the iPad 2 is still supported, and it was released 7 months BEFORE the 4s, and they have the exact same A5 processor and 512MB RAM, as well as the same graphics chip.

So all things considered, the 4s should be supported for at least one more year, whether it gets an upgrade path to iOS 10 or not.
 
Second, the iPad 2 is still supported, and it was released 7 months BEFORE the 4s, and they have the exact same A5 processor and 512MB RAM.

So all things considered, the 4s should be supported for at least one more year, whether it gets an upgrade path to iOS 10 or not.

No A5 devices are supported in iOS 10 unfortunately, but I do agree on more security support. I personally think Apple should put out security updates until a device is no longer in high usage.
 
Well for starters, Apple was still selling the iPhone 4s in India until 4 months ago. Even in India, that's a pretty short window of support for a phone that was still pretty expensive by India's standards.

Second, the iPad 2 is still supported, and it was released 7 months BEFORE the 4s, and they have the exact same A5 processor and 512MB RAM, as well as the same graphics chip.

So all things considered, the 4s should be supported for at least one more year, whether it gets an upgrade path to iOS 10 or not.
I do agree that Apple should not continue to sell their older hardware for so long. Hopefully the SE represents a new direction for Apple.

The iPad 2 and iPhone 4s are still currently supported, but neither will be with iOS 10. Apple did erroneously post that the iPad 2 (and other A5 based devices) would be supported on iOS 10 on their website for a few hours following the WWDC Keynote, but that was error that has since been corrected. Unfortunately it was long enough to cause some confusion in tech blogs with many posting the iPad 2 would receive the iOS 10 update.

All things considered the 4s runs poorly with iOS 9 and updating it to iOS 10 would not be doing anyone any favours.
 
All things considered the 4s runs poorly with iOS 9 and updating it to iOS 10 would not be doing anyone any favours.

Some of us would prefer poor performance if it meant support. Apple could allow upgrading with a warning about performance + the ability to downgrade. Best of both worlds.
 
I don't buy crap branded/locked phones.

Doesn't matter if it's carrier branded/locked or unlocked. With exception of Apple. You will be lucky to get 2 years of "updates" with "flagship" unlocked unbranded android or even Windows phones.

Now I understand the 4S was sold in india up to feb 2016 this year. But for mass marketed 1st world counties. It stopped being sold in the fall of 2014 with the iPhone 6 release.

It's reach its end of life cycle. Modern Smartphones are much like PCs in the early to mid 1990s. Most laptops would be obsolete by year 3. (Most tech companies replaced them every 2 years. Desktops could last potentially 4 years. Again most tech support were upgrading every 2 sometimes 3 years for desktop.
 
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Second, the iPad 2 is still supported, and it was released 7 months BEFORE the 4s, and they have the exact same A5 processor and 512MB RAM, as well as the same graphics chip.

Yes, the iPad 2 is still supported up to and including iOS 9.3, and so is the iPhone 4s. But neither of them will be getting iOS 10, so they're in the same boat.
 
I do agree that Apple should not continue to sell their older hardware for so long. Hopefully the SE represents a new direction for Apple.

The iPad 2 and iPhone 4s are still currently supported, but neither will be with iOS 10. Apple did erroneously post that the iPad 2 (and other A5 based devices) would be supported on iOS 10 on their website for a few hours following the WWDC Keynote, but that was error that has since been corrected. Unfortunately it was long enough to cause some confusion in tech blogs with many posting the iPad 2 would receive the iOS 10 update.

All things considered the 4s runs poorly with iOS 9 and updating it to iOS 10 would not be doing anyone any favours.

I was not aware that Apple had reversed the original info about iOS 10 supporting the iPad 2. However, the iPad 2 runs iOS 9 just fine. So I'm not sure why the 4s does not.

Either way, upgrade to iOS 10 or not, Apple did sell the 4s in India until quite recently. They should support it for up to a year after last purchase at a minimum. Therefore, at a minimum, they should provide security updates for it. When Apple last sold it here, it would have gotten two years of support, and a whole system number upgrade.
 
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Some of us would prefer poor performance if it meant support. Apple could allow upgrading with a warning about performance + the ability to downgrade. Best of both worlds.
Yeah, Apple would never hear the end of it from people complaining even if all that was in place.
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People have low expectations regarding the useful life of modern stuff, that's the problem.
So basically you just want to rant for the sake of it (while unsuccessfully trying to make it look like there's actually something to it). Not sure why any of that is needed (especially when it's not there) to just rant.
 
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I was not aware that Apple had reversed the original info about iOS 10 supporting the iPad 2. However, the iPad 2 runs iOS 10 just fine. So I'm not sure why the 4s does not.
I don't know what you are going on about, the iPad 2 does not run iOS 10 at all.
Either way, upgrade to iOS 10 or not, Apple did sell the 4s in India until quite recently. They should support it for up to a year after last purchase at a minimum. Therefore, at a minimum, they should provide security updates for it. When Apple last sold it here, it would have gotten two years of support, and a whole system number upgrade.
I agree with you on this, if Apple wants to expand in India and build brand loyalty there selling old hardware and then not supporting it for very long is not the way to do it.
 
I don't know what you are going on about, the iPad 2 does not run iOS 10 at all.

I agree with you on this, if Apple wants to expand in India and build brand loyalty there selling old hardware and then not supporting it for very long is not the way to do it.

Typo (corrected). The iPad 2 runs iOS 9 just fine in my experience, so I don't know why it should run worse on the 4s. I don't have any direct experience with the 4s so I can't speak to it, but the iPad 2 has never run better.
 
Typo (corrected). The iPad 2 runs iOS 9 just fine in my experience, so I don't know why it should run worse on the 4s. I don't have any direct experience with the 4s so I can't speak to it, but the iPad 2 has never run better.
I suppose everyone has different standards for a good experience. My Dad complained how slow his iPad 2 was since the release of iOS 8 (and even more so with iOS 9) and we bought him an Air 2 for Christmas in 2015. He also has an iPhone 4s that he doesn't complain about (other than it is always out of storage) but he hardly uses it whereas he uses his iPad constantly.

If I recall correctly there was a class action lawsuit brought against Apple over the performance of the iPhone 4s on iOS 9 (I don't know if that went anywhere but it does tell you there are a number of people unhappy with the performance of the 4s on iOS 9).

Also, I had an iPhone 5c that I upgraded to iOS 9 before I upgraded to a 6s last fall and I found the performance of it unacceptably laggy with iOS 9.0, and it is a much faster phone than the 4s.
 
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