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You have got to be kidding me - the iPhone 4 was the BIGGEST upgrade jump the iPhone has had - brand new CPU, brand new screen technology, front facing camera, LED flash, Gyroscope.

The 3GS brought a speed increase with a higher clocked processor, GPU, compass & higher resolution camera.

The 3GS might have been a bigger upgrade for you but to the rest of the world the 4 was a MILE ahead of any iPhone upgrade before it.

Posts like this make me feel sick.

It's simply the post of a bitter 3G owner who didn't upgrade and tries to validate it by downplaying the clearly superior iPhone 4.
 
The components you listed don't matter to how fast the operating system or apps run though. The CPU, GPU, and RAM do. Yes, the benchmarks show a jump in performance from the 3GS to the iP4, but actually show a larger jump (percentage wise) from the 3G to 3GS. The processor/GPU combo in the 3GS is/was over twice as powerful as that in the 3G. However, when you go from the 3GS to iPhone 4, you only get a 33% increase in CPU power, and no increase in GPU. From "horsepower" perspective, the 3G to 3GS upgrade was far bigger than the 3GS to iP4. Same thing will happen this upcoming upgrade if they keep the external design relatively the same, but upgrade the "guts' to the A5 dual core, new GPU, and double the RAM. It will be a HUGE upgrade, but I'll bet my life that people will say it's a "minor" upgrade just because the externals look the same/similar. No one looks "under the hood" and Apple knows that.

Thank you. Finally someone that bothered to get it.

It's simply the post of a bitter 3G owner who didn't upgrade and tries to validate it by downplaying the clearly superior iPhone 4.

I have a 3GS. I didn't bother to upgrade to the iPhone 4 because it offered nothing that great for me that justified wasting 600$ on it. My 3GS works fine and plays all the games an iPhone 4 does. It runs all the apps.

I rarely record video (and the 3GS does a find job of SD), wouldn't facetime to save my life and didn't really see the need for a Retina Display (though I am impressed with the SAMOLED stuff).
 
Thank you. Finally someone that bothered to get it.

It's the same (to me) as the example that I gave in another thread. If I take an iMac, increase the MP of the iSight camera, add a few hundred Mhz to the CPU, add a slightly faster network card, and double the RAM, does it make it able to run much faster? (analogous to the 3GS to iP4 upgrade). Even if I "completely change" the external enclosure's design? Not in the grand scheme of things. But if I kept the same enclosure, but drastically improved the internal architecture, doubled the CPU's power, increased the video card's capability 2-3x, (analogous to the 3G to 3GS upgrade) can I run applications and even the OS faster? Yep.
 
Conundrum time.

Trusty 3GS (excellent condition) working perfectly.

If we ARE to get a "4GS" upgrade in the fall - I'll probably wait until the true fifth gen "iPhone 5" next year. Makes simply no economic sense to replace a phone which is still satisfies every demand I place on it.

But what will be the benefits of iOS5 that I'll be missing out on? Agh! :confused:
 
apple aren't in the position anymore to do minor upgrades, i dont buy any of this iphone 4s BS. :D
 
I think Apple has realized that the gig is up in the mobile space, and while they are doing very well now, their position is in a state of decline. Eventually, Apple will settle into a minor "boutique" role in the market, much like OS X has in the world of OSes. Given that, Apple may not see the need to compete head on, since the fight was lost a while ago. Rather, they will release updates per their own timetable.

I agree somewhat. Apple has been losing the volume war for sometime. Apple never beat Nokia in Worldwide sales. But Apple isn't playing the same game as others. Hello Moto, Samsung, etc are playing with handsets. Just Handsets. But Apple is playing integrated environment. Hello, customer. Here is the iPhone and here are a gillion +2 apps. Apple is outpacing Samsung, Hello, Moto, Nokia and other handset makers in app sales. (Google and Android markets differenet story) So for now, Apple doesn't have to win the hardware space. IPhone is a niche phone that owns the app revenue like Barcelona owned Man U at the UEFA Cup finals.
 
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iPhone 4Snoooooooooze. Moving to Android after 4 straight iPhones. Step up Apple.
 
Why wouldn't the 6th iPhone be called iPhone 4G if it has 4G technology?

I like the idea of calling it the iPhone 2011-A. It is just so easy to say. They could give it a name. How about Sidney or even better, Lisa!

As to upgraded specs, just put in HSPA+ and call it 4G.
 
Thank you. Finally someone that bothered to get it.



I have a 3GS. I didn't bother to upgrade to the iPhone 4 because it offered nothing that great for me that justified wasting 600$ on it. My 3GS works fine and plays all the games an iPhone 4 does. It runs all the apps.

I rarely record video (and the 3GS does a find job of SD), wouldn't facetime to save my life and didn't really see the need for a Retina Display (though I am impressed with the SAMOLED stuff).

Yeesh, tough crowd. The iP4's shining feature is the Retina Display...without a doubt. Underplaying its importance or value is silly.

Regarding your thoughts on the other iP4 improvements...you seem predisposed to disregard its amazing features. The Camera is superb, the video transcendent, screen unprecedented, and facetime is...ok, you got me: its "meh"

The iP4 is still the best phone and an incredible step above the 3GS.

By the way (to semi legitimize my rant), the wife's phone died and ATT allowed me to give her my iP4 and have an early upgrade on a non-Apple phone (dont ask me why they stipulate that). Now Ive got an HTC Inspire...I can admit that its a good phone, but I miss my iP4 everyday:(
 
Yeesh, tough crowd. The iP4's shining feature is the Retina Display...without a doubt. Underplaying its importance or value is silly.

Since I was talking about my own case as far as the Retina display goes, I don't find it silly. I don't consider it important to me nor would I justify spending 600$ for smaller pixels that don't give me extra real-estate.

However, it does not change the fact that the 3G->3GS transition was a big move for the platform and to underplay a full internals upgrade as something "minor" because the physical appearance didn't change is quite as silly.
 
Yeesh, tough crowd. The iP4's shining feature is the Retina Display...without a doubt. Underplaying its importance or value is silly.

Regarding your thoughts on the other iP4 improvements...you seem predisposed to disregard its amazing features. The Camera is superb, the video transcendent, screen unprecedented, and facetime is...ok, you got me: its "meh"

The iP4 is still the best phone and an incredible step above the 3GS.

By the way (to semi legitimize my rant), the wife's phone died and ATT allowed me to give her my iP4 and have an early upgrade on a non-Apple phone (dont ask me why they stipulate that). Now Ive got an HTC Inspire...I can admit that its a good phone, but I miss my iP4 everyday:(

No kidding. Anyone who says that the Retina Display isn't a big deal has either not seen one or is an idiot. The screen is amazing by itself and looking at a 3GS or prior version of the iphone makes my eyes hurt now by comparison. Sometimes people who can't have something like to just put it down to make themselves feel better it would seem.
 
No kidding. Anyone who says that the Retina Display isn't a big deal has either not seen one or is an idiot. The screen is amazing by itself and looking at a 3GS or prior version of the iphone makes my eyes hurt now by comparison. Sometimes people who can't have something like to just put it down to make themselves feel better it would seem.

I will say I think the Retina display is nice but for the most part of for me it was a meh thing. Yes test looks a little sharper but for most things it is still a meh. The fact that it still only has the same amount of real-estate is a reason it a meh thing.

People like you seem to believe it is a huge deal but really it is a meh thing. I pick up an iPhone 4 almost daily along with my iPod touch that is on the older lcd panel and yes the iPhone 4 looks a little nicer in terms of the screen but for reading and surfing the web it more of a meh thing and has little effect.
 
I wish they would tell us customers when the new iPhone is coming out, whether it's an iPhone 4S or iPhone 5. I am finally eligible for an upgrade after cracking my first 3GS a year after buying it and having to buy another one for 400 and a 2 year contract. Should I upgrade to an iPhone 4 or continue to wait?
 
I wish they would tell us customers when the new iPhone is coming out, whether it's an iPhone 4S or iPhone 5. I am finally eligible for an upgrade after cracking my first 3GS a year after buying it and having to buy another one for 400 and a 2 year contract. Should I upgrade to an iPhone 4 or continue to wait?

Can you wait until September, and would you be OK if it was an incremental upgrade? If not, then buy now.
 
Can you wait until September, and would you be OK if it was an incremental upgrade? If not, then buy now.

Is September when the new iPhone is coming out? Everything so far has been speculation. Assuming it does come out in September then yes, I would be fine with that. I would rather wait until September and pay 200 and have a faster phone than pay 200 now only to have another phone come out in 3 months.
 
Is September when the new iPhone is coming out? Everything so far has been speculation. Assuming it does come out in September then yes, I would be fine with that. I would rather wait until September and pay 200 and have a faster phone than pay 200 now only to have another phone come out in 3 months.

Nobody knows when the new iPhone is coming out, it's all speculation. Apple could decide to skip an iPhone release entirely this year in favor of a larger revision in the spring, who knows? If I were to guess, though, a 4S-style upgrade in Sept makes sense. But don't count on that happening. If you need an iPhone now, get it now.
 
Nobody knows when the new iPhone is coming out, it's all speculation. Apple could decide to skip an iPhone release entirely this year in favor of a larger revision in the spring, who knows? If I were to guess, though, a 4S-style upgrade in Sept makes sense. But don't count on that happening. If you need an iPhone now, get it now.

I'll just wait. It still works fine. It has a few cosmetic blemishes and the back is cracked right by where the charger is plugged in.
 
It's kind of a no-brainer that there is going to be the iPhone 5 in 2012 and the iPhone 4S this Fall...

You have that right. The negative level of your post shows just how many cellar-dwellers are on this place. You don't get a product released as you want just by bitching on-line.
 
It's simply the post of a bitter 3G owner who didn't upgrade and tries to validate it by downplaying the clearly superior iPhone 4.
Actually it's simply the post of a very wise 3G owner, who didn't upgrade because the iPhone 4 is not that much of an improvement.

Fragile glass
Proximity sensor faults
Antennagate Celebrity
Calls (when the phone does connect) mediocre at best.
And on, and on , and on.

THIS Post, courtesy of an owner/user of every iPhone to date. And for clarification that INCLUDES, the not so great iPhone 4.

My personal favorite so far was my 3GS.

That's my take on it.

Coming up? I'm giving Apple a year to get their phone program back on track.

While Apple toils, I'll be enjoying my fresh new Samsung Galaxy S II.

The gorgeous, spacious 4.3" Super AMOLED Plus display is so easy to read in the bright California sun it's a real winner. The fast dual core processor is so fast and efficient, I get an amazing twelve hours of continuous heavy usage out of it with 40% left at the end of my long and busy days.

I believe that given sufficient time (Apple can move quite slow) my favorite Cupertino company will come to their senses, and perform a true update to bring the iPhone the features consumers want.
 
Actually it's simply the post of a very wise 3G owner, who didn't upgrade because the iPhone 4 is not that much of an improvement.

Fragile glass
Proximity sensor faults
Antennagate Celebrity
Calls (when the phone does connect) mediocre at best.
And on, and on , and on.

THIS Post, courtesy of an owner/user of every iPhone to date. And for clarification that INCLUDES, the not so great iPhone 4.

My personal favorite so far was my 3GS.

That's my take on it.

Coming up? I'm giving Apple a year to get their phone program back on track.

While Apple toils, I'll be enjoying my fresh new Samsung Galaxy S II.

The gorgeous, spacious 4.3" Super AMOLED Plus display is so easy to read in the bright California sun it's a real winner. The fast dual core processor is so fast and efficient, I get an amazing twelve hours of continuous heavy usage out of it with 40% left at the end of my long and busy days.

I believe that given sufficient time (Apple can move quite slow) my favorite Cupertino company will come to their senses, and perform a true update to bring the iPhone the features consumers want.


The funny thing is that, for some people on this forum, as soon as you say something that doesnt heap praise on Apple's current products, it's a sign you automatically don't own it or are "too poor" to have it. I've posted the same things KnightWRX has about the iPhone 4 not being a huge upgrade (internally, where it counts) from the 3GS, and I've also been assumed to not own the iP4. When in actuality I do, and have owned every iPhone. If they even looked in my signature, they could see mine photographed on various webpages. I also own many Android phones, WebOS, and Windows Phone 7 units. I'm speaking from first hand experience that, other than the Retina display, theres not a discernible difference from my iP4 to my old 3GS in my desk drawer. It's not the huge noticable difference in speed that there was from 3G to 3GS. But don't dare tell the die hard Apple fans that the iP4 isn't a huge improvement (again, internally, where it actually matters to the speed of the OS/apps).
 
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Everyone I know is showing off their new androids with slightly larger screens which in a fairly recent survey I read, most people want.

They'll have to work slightly harder than just a speed bump so it doesn't get unfairly thrashed in all it's reviews.

Dont wanne be rude but do you need a survey to tell you what you want :) ?

For me most new phones are just to big to fit the pocket or be comfortable for day to day use but sure the surfing is nicer.
Also the speed isnt any issue on the existing hardware anyway. iOS is much more optimized for the hardware compared to Android i think so even with 1 year old CPU i think current gen iPhone is comparable with the latest Android but i'm almost sure they will clock up the CPU a bit if they release an update or iPhone 4S.

All i need from the update is more tweaks like themes and maybe widget and things like that. Oh and the modem/antenna could be better since i have poor reception and to many drop calls.
 
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