iPhone 4S with A5, Sim-less? "Major New" iPhone 5 Due in 2012

[Shanpdx]

One more week

just 7 more days to WWDC.

Personally i like to see iPhone comes unlocked than any other feature ...

nice to have iPhone available to all the carriers t-mobile, sprint and cricket and so on ...

 

[Cougarcat]

What about iPhone A5? Name it after the processor like the PowerMacs and PowerBooks were.

No, Apple wants to distance itself from internal specs. They don't even list the amount of RAM it has.

just 7 more days to WWDC.

Wow, you're right...maybe they will announce who is giving the Keynote tomorrow?

 

[Rad99004]

Quote:
Originally Posted by KnightWRX
I was thrilled when they announced the 3GS, it was a major upgrade from the 3G. Moreso than the iPhone 4 was for the 3GS. Now that was a "meh" update. Just changing the outside look and mostly keeping the same internals.

Not true.

I also have a 3GS and skipped the Iphone 4 because it had very few new features that I wanted.

The camera upgrade to 8 Meg, the bigger screen and IOS 5 on the new iphone will give me the incentive to buy.

Just wait and see Apple will announce a new phone next month. They are just playing with us all.

 

[Mattsasa]

Android will probably gain more market share while Apple lags with a refresh instead of a new model. It will be a year before they approach the cutting edge again.

It's a shame

 

[Macbees]

I am amazed by the number of posts that are concerned with the iPhone's name... it's just a name!! They can name it whatever they want, it's no BIG deal!
Iam more concerned with what's being upgraded, the CPUs, screen.etc.

Going sim-less is an issue too.. I do not think the world's network is ready for that yet. It is unlike moving from normal sim to micro sim in the iPhone 4, whereby the sim can just be cut to micro sim size.

BTW, for those who are concerned with swapping phones around with your sim, it is not so swappable with your iPhone 4 since it runs on micro sims. Almost all phones are using convensional sim cards, micro sim adoption rate is still pretty slow..

 

[anush3]

I think I can imagine a way how this could be done very nicely.

Apple will ship a small SIM adaptor with their new iPhone which you will connect to device, insert your SIM in it and it will transfer all data to the phone and activate it. From that point you won't need your SIM nor the SIM adaptor. When you put the SIM into a different device it will automatically deactivate the virtual SIM copy in your other phone. If you often switch between two SIM cards you will have to carry this special SIM adpator with you.

Sounds okay to me...

that's pretty witty idea !!
What I am sure is Apple would make sure carrier switching in some easier way if they eliminate SIM, that some people here worried of.
I think SIM is pretty old concept taking physical space.

 

[revolutionx]

been holding out from IPhone 4 and still carrying 3G so that I can get IPhone 5. This just screws me up. Looks like I will be moving to android. Samsung Galaxy S2 here I come... by the way which carrier carries it?

 

[twoodcc]

i just hope the next iPhone is really good

 

[cvaldes]

Why wouldn't the 6th iPhone be called iPhone 4G if it has 4G technology?

Because by next year, marketing a "4G"-monikered device might not be advantageous, at least in certain markets.

Both AT&T and T-Mobile USA are labelling their 3.9G HSPA+ networks as "4G" and even the LTE networks aren't up to true 4G specification (which is incomplete anyhow).

4G is a sham right now.

 

[anush3]

Whats the problem with eSIM?

It's still a SIM but instead of replacing the tiny bit of plastic you download a new one and install it. A real SIM is just software anyway, just runs inside a little chip, that's all.

Being software doesn't mean you can't change it, it makes it easier!

Imagine going abroad and downloading a new SIM instead of having to find a shop, negotiate the local language, figure out which tariff to get..

In the extreme case Apple could even run multiple virtual SIM cards at the same time. Two networks without the physical space taken by two cards.

That's why the networks are running scared of this, and saying this is a bad thing.. well it is, for them.

As for the phone crapping out, well the Apple Store replaces them on the same day or close to that.

agree, the only real reason carriers are freaking is awesome option Apple had for remembering multiple SIMs. I am waiting for sim-less iphone. not sure though would happen with next iphone.

 

[vpndev]

no-SIM operation

Apple has always been very careful about working through the UI issues with hardware. So a move to built-in SIM will be done carefully and thinking though the impact on all carriers worldwide. After all, Apple wants to have fewer variations if it can.

Where I hope this is leading is to build a world-phone that works on any carrier. You could buy it with subsidy as we in the U.S. are forced to do now (for Verizon and AT&T at least) or purchase outright and have subsidy-free tariff (as happens in some parts of Europe).

If Apple is moving towards built-in SIM then these issues are certainly high on the discussion list.

I *really* hate the fact that AT&T refuses to unlock iPhones after contract expiration. They lost the class-action suit but the negotiated settlement was that that they'd unlock all phones *except* for iPhone.

Time for a new class-action suit, folks !

 

[khunsanook]

This. Might be OK in the States where you have a single carrier - but I like the ability to travel and swap SIM cards on my (unlocked out of the box) phone.

Agreed! I travel regularly in Asia and absolutely need to be able to swap SIM cards when necessary. The world market is not ready for an "e-SIM".

 

[anush3]

Instead of rolling your eyes (I did read your post), why don't you answer the second part of my issue - how do you propose I take my e-sim out of my iPhone and put it into the cheap nokia phone I use when I go to the beach, or football training, etc?

If all phones supported e-sims then it wouldn't be a problem as you'd still have the flexibility of a physical sim, but until then, it's one bleeding edge I've got no desire to be on

Well if you read his post then you should know that you can keep original sim if you need to put it in some other phone.
I would say to wait n watch , and not run to conclusions....I feel if Apple provides sim less phone they will give you options to do all things you could do with sim s.

 

[anush3]

It's a phone, people. Don't you have better things to do than buying new phones every year or whining that new phone is not what you wanted.

they have more physical hobbies than reading about phone forums

 

[firewood]

Apple is losing serious ground ...

Apple doesn't care about losing that ground because, as other mobile device manufacturers will soon find out, that isn't very profitable ground.

Android will probably gain more market share ...

of a high percentage low profit margin customers.

 

[viperGTS]

More ******** from annonymous "sources...."
i think it's pretty obvious that the next iPhone is coming out this June. And will have a major spec upgrade, A5 dual core (why on EARTH would it be single?), better camera, and some other features like iOS 5.

seriously, these rumors are starting to become very annoying.

 

[DeathChill]

More ******** from annonymous "sources...."
i think it's pretty obvious that the next iPhone is coming out this June. And will have a major spec upgrade, A5 dual core (why on EARTH would it be single?), better camera, and some other features like iOS 5.

seriously, these rumors are starting to become very annoying.

Except that no new iPhone is coming this June. LoopInsight (which has Apple sources) confirmed this, as have many others.

 

[lilcosco08]

Except that no new iPhone is coming this June. LoopInsight (which has Apple sources) rumored this, as have many others.

Fixed that for ya'.

 

[viperGTS]

Except that no new iPhone is coming this June. LoopInsight (which has Apple sources) confirmed this, as have many others.

Show me your source which CONFIRMS that the new iPhone 5 will NOT come out this June.

@lilcosco, exactly

 

[Cougarcat]

Show me your source which CONFIRMS that the new iPhone 5 will NOT come out this June.

@lilcosco, exactly

It may not be "confirmed," but it's close to confirmed as you're ever going to get, so it may as well be.

 

[viperGTS]

It may not be "confirmed," but it's close to confirmed as you're ever going to get, so it may as well be.

That's not even close to confirmation.

 

[DeathChill]

I suppose you can say "rumoured" because Apple didn't directly say it, but Jim Dalrymple has well-connected sources into Apple (read: Apple uses him to put out non-official information). Gruber says that when Jim Dalrymple says it, it's true as he has very good sources.

EDIT: Are you serious? Gruber and Dalrymple are spot on every time because Apple is clearly supplying them with information. The only more confirmed it can be is if Apple said it, but Apple would never say anything like that directly.

 

[AidenShaw]

I suppose you can say "rumoured" because Apple didn't directly say it, but Jim Dalrymple has well-connected sources into Apple (read: Apple uses him to put out non-official information). Gruber says that when Jim Dalrymple says it, it's true as he has very good sources.

EDIT: Are you serious? Gruber and Dalrymple are spot on every time because Apple is clearly supplying them with information. The only more confirmed it can be is if Apple said it, but Apple would never say anything like that directly.

So, Apple uses them to manipulate the stock price?

 

[Cougarcat]

So, Apple uses them to manipulate the stock price?

It's known apple does controlled leaks of information.

The reason for this case? Quell expectations, I suppose. Not that that'll work on the MacRumors crowd.

 

[LoganCircle]

Won't be surprised if released at WWDC, but then again...

I'm not claiming that it's going to be in any way, shape or form, but I wouldn't be surprised it the iphone 4S/5 is released at WWDC.

I mean, really, it's not like they're re-inventing the wheel here. They're just upgrading the same model. They'll want to keep market share driving forward etc. The whole speculated reason for the delay was initially tech related, wasn't it? (LTE/NFC/Mind Control Chip). With the iphone 4S, they'd have the ability, tech aside. So, waiting for tech is no longer the issue. It's just whether or not they choose to do so. And judging by Apple's history, I think there is A possibility of seeing something at WWDC, considering any news to the contrary is all based on rumor.

Now, having said that, do I expect it to be? I hope so, but the one hold back keeping me from saying yes is that damned recent release of the white iphone. Love it...but dammit, I need to upgrade!