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It's a recurring theme here. We're so spoiled by the level of engineering in APPLE's products, that everything, and I mean every little detail about anything APPLE does or releases, is scrutinized to the hilt, to the point that we're sometimes expecting APPLE to routinely bend the laws of nature. Very few companies have to endure this kind of constant criticism. It's lonely at the top.
 
Live in a no LTE location and since turning it off I'm sitting at 86% at 1:45pm since off charge at 6:15am. So 7 hours and I've lost 15%.. Huge difference when the phone isn't searching for LTE. Usage consists of pandora for a few hours, about 10 emails, 4-6 text messages and 2 short phone calls.. And this post.. Oh 85% now.
 
Dude... it is clearly YOU who (after Geckotek's multiple attempts to clarify) is still confused.

Let me have a go at it...

Anodizing is like "gold plating." They start with the naked metallic-looking aluminum. (FORGET THE DYES for a second.) With "regular" anodizing, they do the anodizing process and a thin shell of "blackness" gets plated onto the phone. If you take something sharp to it, you can scratch that blackness off. It's not magically indestructible. It's normally used to keep things from corroding or rusting. But, in this case, Apple has most likely chosen it for aesthetic ("good-looking") purposes.

Again, with un-dyed anodized aluminum, you can scratch off the anodized material and see the shiny metal aluminum underneath. All anodized products behave this way. It's not kryptonite or unobtainium or any other indestructible material. In fact, sadly, it's not very resistant to scratches at all. That's why anodized non-stick pans are supposed to be used with non-metallic cooking utensils... it scratches off relatively easily.

The only time dyes come into play is when you want your anodized product to be some color other than dark grey or black. One of the linked articles showed a bright orange/red carabiner that had been anodized. If you don't use dyes, simple chemistry dictates that

aluminum + anodizing process --> dark grey / black product​

My guess is that Apple used NO DYE. However, knowing them, they probably wanted some very particular color -- "slate" in this case. So, they may have used some dye. BUT STILL... it just goes into the tank with the anodizing process. It just changes that "shell" from regular dark grey to special Apple-specified "slate" dark grey.

PLEASE tell me you understand now! Dyed or undyed, the anodized aluminum is still (very) scratchable. You'll see shiny metal aluminum if you go after it.

Even if you sneeze?Because "dude" thats whats going on with the iphone right now they peel... how do they peel off if they don't have dye as you "guess"? and "dude" i know how anodized is and i have used phones with anodized aluminum and they didn't scratch that easily,its just apple that has bad implementation of it so chill.
Your explanations so far was nothing but excuses no real evidence, oh btw watch the vids of the "non dyed iphone while the super duper ive talks,they dye it" even if the vid is for show something that i doubt they do dye the phone something like the black slate you say and it peels off. :p
To your last words i reply tell me you understand now YES it scratches but we are talking about peeling here,oh maybe you are saying anodized aluminum peels off? cheers peace now go eat your lunch.
@geckotek is nice to like a company is wrong to follow it blindfolded and try to justify everything they do in some twisted like reality.
You have 3 options here:
A:apple didn't use anodized aluminum and put a cheap dye on top.
B:apple did use anodized aluminum and put a cheap dye.
C:apple used anodized aluminum and special dye but the implemantation sucks big time.
All options show 0 professionalism.
 
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oh btw watch the vids of the "non dyed iphone while the super duper ive talks,they dye it" even if the vid is for show something that i doubt they do dye the phone something like the black slate you say and it peels off. :p

Mate, perhaps I owe you an apology. Whereas you did say "peel" in previous posts, I just assumed you were struggling with the language and actually meaning "scratch." For that, my bad, I'm sorry.

FWIW, I sincerely wasn't trying to make excuses. In fact, other than the scratching and "scuffing" problems, I was unaware of any "peeling" problems. Can you (here or PM... don't care), send me a link? I am truly and genuinely interested in learning of this peeling. Cuz, if it's like the word makes my mind picture, that really does suck. I agree. That will make this my first iPhone to go in a freakin' thinness- and beauty-obviating case.

Thanks. Cheers. Peace to you too, mate.
 
Mate, perhaps I owe you an apology. Whereas you did say "peel" in previous posts, I just assumed you were struggling with the language and actually meaning "scratch." For that, my bad, I'm sorry.

FWIW, I sincerely wasn't trying to make excuses. In fact, other than the scratching and "scuffing" problems, I was unaware of any "peeling" problems. Can you (here or PM... don't care), send me a link? I am truly and genuinely interested in learning of this peeling. Cuz, if it's like the word makes my mind picture, that really does suck. I agree. That will make this my first iPhone to go in a freakin' thinness- and beauty-obviating case.

Thanks. Cheers. Peace to you too, mate.

No need to apologize,its ok i was not good on explaining myself,:) i am certain that all this tiny problems including the dye will cease to exist in the new shippments , from the rush to meet launch day some bad batches also saw the "day light".
I may be harsh with apple but thats only because i like the products they make and when i see things like that i become furious.
I am sorry i don't provide any links but if you check the apple support forums there are many that post pics from their brand new iphones with peeled dye,they are small but its not nice to see your new phone and at some places the dye to be missing even a tiny bit portion.
Anyway again sorry if i was on the aggressive,take care.
 
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iPhone 5 Battery Life

Yeah, my battery life is horrible. Have a Look! ^^
 

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It's rather peculiar that Apple didn't address this issue regarding battery life before they shipped the phone. This is not rocket science.

My Android powered Galaxy S III has no such problem. Therefore I'd expect the same level of performance from Apple.
 
I'm shocked to see that many people actually believe the numbers that are thrown out by companies regarding battery life on this type of device.

Maybe it is because I get better signal or due to a used up battery or maybe a little of both, but I have had no issue making it through my work day without needing to charge my phone. With my iPhone 4 I would usually have to charge at some point or my phone would die before I was home after work. With the 5, I have been able to go through the work day and make it home with anywhere from 40-50% remaining. I am on my phone quite a bit at work.
 
I'm glad to report that wiping my phone and turning off the apple background BS seems to have fixed my problem.

As of right now I'm sitting at 54%, 25 hours after 100% charge, with 4 hours 6 minutes of usage, and LTE turned on the whole time (also latitude was on all day, which I forgot about).

Still not amazing battery life, but now it seems more in line with what I was getting on my previous iphones.


I wonder how many others who are complaining of terrible battery life are having the same problem I was...
 
He didn't miss the point. As many people have stated, ALL phones are affected by this, and this is nothing new. On any iPhone before the 5 this was true. On any Android phone, this is true. On that POS Nokia that I used to have, this is true. Take a lesson from your own words and read carefully. No one is disputing the article is true, people are commenting on how obvious it is.
He stated that it is obvious that if you turn on Airplane Mode (i.e. turn off all radios) that your battery life will improve. That is obvious.

However is it really that super obvious that battery life is heavily affected by signal strength?
 
He stated that it is obvious that if you turn on Airplane Mode (i.e. turn off all radios) that your battery life will improve. That is obvious.
He was stating that normal radio use is likely the largest drain on the battery. He was illustrating one of the reasons WHY the article is so obvious.

However is it really that super obvious that battery life is heavily affected by signal strength?
Yes.....it really is.
 
Same here.

I went to the Apple Store yesterday, and the Genius was very insistent that he's seen this before from bad restores, where the software thinks it's an earlier iPhone and thus not managing power right and draining fast. He says I need to restore it as a fresh iPhone and it will work fine. i.e. dump my iCloud backups.

This isn't very acceptable to me as I have a lot of apps with their own data stores, and I really, really don't want to lose my text message history of the last 3-4 years. But, I'll give it a shot after spending a couple hours backing up stuff tomorrow.

bad restores? mine was set up fresh out of the box.. no restore here.
 
He was stating that normal radio use is likely the largest drain on the battery. He was illustrating one of the reasons WHY the article is so obvious.
And that's exactly why he missed the point of the article.

Yes.....it really is.

If it is then I'm sure you can find at least one article or white paper about it describing this behaviour amongst many different phones, prior to the iPhone 5 story.

Because I'm having a hard time to find anything.
 
And that's exactly why he missed the point of the article.
Because he thinks the article is obvious? That doesn't make sense.

If it is then I'm sure you can find at least one article or white paper about it describing this behaviour amongst many different phones, prior to the iPhone 5 story.

Because I'm having a hard time to find anything.


http://www.blackberryforums.com/gen...gnal-strength-affect-battery-performance.html

You realize that the very first link is to a forum much like this one discussing the issue on blackberries?


Also: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4125/understanding-the-verizon-iphone-4-announcement

Oh and from Nokia's troubleshooting site: http://www.nokia.com/us-en/support/...&topic=Power & charging&subtopic=Battery life

All from a simple google search.
 
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http://www.blackberryforums.com/gen...gnal-strength-affect-battery-performance.html

You realize that the very first link is to a forum much like this one discussing the issue on blackberries?


Also: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4125/understanding-the-verizon-iphone-4-announcement

Oh and from Nokia's troubleshooting site: http://www.nokia.com/us-en/support/...&topic=Power & charging&subtopic=Battery life

All from a simple google search.
None of those links are relevant.

The first link is about searching for networks, not weak signal.

The second one is about iPhone 4.

The third one doesn't mention anything about "weak signal", it only mentions varied signal and again, searching for networks.

Nice try though.
 
None of those links are relevant.

The first link is about searching for networks, not weak signal.

The second one is about iPhone 4.

The third one doesn't mention anything about "weak signal", it only mentions varied signal and again, searching for networks.

Nice try though.

Uhm. What do you think "weak signal" causes the phone to do? Dance a jig?

"Weak signal" cause the phone to "search for networks". That is the exact thing we are talking about.

When you have weak signal the phone radio has to work harder to keep in touch with the network. All networks - doesn't matter if it is 1g, 2G, 3G, 4G, WiFi, EDGE, GPRS, TDMA, UMTS, or any other name or technology. If the signal strength is not good the radio has to work harder which consumes more battery.

Now each particular combination of technologies can have different effects due to a million variables:

Certain radio chips are more optimized than others
Certain frequencies penetrate buildings or trees better
Certain companies use differing frequencies
Certain technologies require more frequent communication or pinging
Some companies have different tower numbers or set-ups
Sometimes there may be more 3G towers than there are LTE towers
Certain combinations of factors may exacerbate problems such as high interference with a distant tower inside a concrete building with steel reinforcements.

There are so many variables it is impossible to accurately state a wireless products battery life expectations in the real world, especially if you add in all the possible OS settings and app usage variables.

Every single post here is completely anecdotal, and what works on your phone in your location will absolutely be different than my phone in my location.

All this bickering is stupid.

If you feel your battery life is worse than it should be, contact Apple (or whoever made your phone). End of story.
 
My iPhone 4 didn't/doesn't do this. Not to this extent at least.

You contradict yourself.... Sentence one - My phone doesn't do this. Sentence two - It does do it but not as bad.

I didn't say every phone had the same battery drain from this low signal condition. What I said was every phone I've had suffers from this. I would expect the 5 to drain the battery faster because it has multiple radios. Just like the Sprint Evo I had did because of 3g and WiMax.
 
You contradict yourself.... Sentence one - My phone doesn't do this. Sentence two - It does do it but not as bad.

I didn't say every phone had the same battery drain from this low signal condition. What I said was every phone I've had suffers from this. I would expect the 5 to drain the battery faster because it has multiple radios. Just like the Sprint Evo I had did because of 3g and WiMax.

I don't see how that's contradicting myself, but whatever. I'm really tired of arguing about this, since I was never even complaining. I was just saying 'yes, I've noticed this too. No, it didn't seem to be present-or as bad-on my iPhone 4'.

Since this is apparently degrading even further into dissecting my grammar and choice of words in order to prove how I'm "wrong" about something I never was arguing in the first place, I don't see a reason to continue posting in this thread.

All this bickering is stupid.

If you feel your battery life is worse than it should be, contact Apple (or whoever made your phone). End of story.

I should have just read this first, because he said it best.
 
Live in a no LTE location and since turning it off I'm sitting at 86% at 1:45pm since off charge at 6:15am. So 7 hours and I've lost 15%.. Huge difference when the phone isn't searching for LTE. Usage consists of pandora for a few hours, about 10 emails, 4-6 text messages and 2 short phone calls.. And this post.. Oh 85% now.


http://www.youtube.com//watch?v=RnwdpsPq-RQ

This guy has done charging test on iPhone 5. He started charging iPhone 5 at 6% and checked percentages periodically. You can see that iPhone 5 charges about 10% at every 10 mins around 10%~85%. But it takes more time from 85%. See that last two percentage (98% to 100%) takes 17 mins.
 
I've experienced this myself.

I've had great battery life with my iPhone 5, but when I went to my parents' house (Where reception is available, but a struggle) my battery life plummeted. Worse than my 4S at their house (and I lived there through most of the time I had the 4S).

Hopefully a software fix can reduce the battery drain, because IMO it's abnormal for low-coverage areas.

And for the record, my iPhone 5's battery life in good-coverage areas runs circles around the 4S in good coverage areas.
 
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