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Just imagine how much plastic Samsung phones cost. $10? That's how they feel.

You probably think that aluminum in iPhone costs more than $2 :D Aluminum (or plastic) is not what defines the quality and cost of the device. As it turns out iPhone 5 is a relatively cheap phone. Nothing surprising here. Given the fact that Apple skimped on many components (lower resolution screen, no NFC chip, no second radio chip, just 1GB of RAM etc.) its BOM is lower than the competitors. Here are some BOM numbers for other phones:

Nokia 900 - $209
Samsung Galaxy S2 Skyrocket - $235.50

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I have not seen numbers for Galaxy SIII but they should be higher than that for Galaxy S2 Skyrocket.

This puts iPhone 5 into a upper middle class among smart phones but way behind the elite phones.
 
So what do you prefer, Apple having so much money they don't know what to do with it, giving back billions in dividends, or a cheaper iPhone?

Apparently it is all about stocks in these modern times. Greed, speculation and stocks keeps the world ticking. Until a new Wall Street collapse.
 
But... then again.... they sold 2 million in 24 hours.... I think they have little incentive to cut the price.

Yep, capitalism at work. Demand is there at the higher prices, why reduce them?

I'm sure they have marketers to try to figure out what price nets them the most profit (balancing how many people will buy vs. profit per device).
 
R&D has no cost. They pay minimum wages to employees to research and develop new technology. There are no extra expenses to this.
LOL, I'm reporting this as a troll.

Don't neglect the R&D cost.

Anyhow, R&D is reported as a separate line item in Apple's cash flow statements. It's not part of BOM, COGS, etc.

MacRumors (and a lot of readers) can never seem to understand this simple point.
 
So what do you prefer, Apple having so much money they don't know what to do with it, giving back billions in dividends, or a cheaper iPhone?

Apparently it is all about stocks in these modern times. Greed, speculation and stocks keeps the world ticking. Until a new Wall Street collapse.

I prefer having a cheaper iPhone. That also isn't going to happen when the demand is so high. They're not a charity. They are there ultimately to make profit and they will work to make the most profit they can. Whether we like it or not, that's how it works.

If demand isn't so high, they might lower prices (Or offer more for the price). But, please tell me, do you really expect them to be "nice" and reduce their profit? Cause if so, you need to be less naive. That's not how corporations work. Apple is not your friend (and neither is google though google lately has a lot of people fooled they are).
 
holy ****! huge profit margin!

However the when I sell products I have an even larger profit margin, and profit is never my goal or purpose, only a side effect.

That is not the margin because the list does not show the COGS. Most obviously, the software cost is missing.

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The article (well MacRumors version) states quite clearly that the component price does not include the many other factors that go into the phone price.

But many of the posters think the difference between the no-contract price and the hardware BOM is the margin.
 
Sorry guys, R&D costs a ton of money. The overhead costs probably give these a 25% profit margin.

Sorry your wrong. Apples total R&D budget for 2011 was 2.2% of revenue. And has been falling for years. Considering companies like Google and Micorsoft spend at least 12% of revenue. Apples spending is pathetic.
 
Sorry your wrong. Apples total R&D budget for 2011 was 2.2% of revenue. And has been falling for years. Considering companies like Google and Micorsoft spend at least 12% of revenue. Apples spending is pathetic.

or they keep tighter control on their spending and Google and Microsoft waste money?
 
That is not the margin because the list does not show the COGS. Most obviously, the software cost is missing.

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But many of the posters think the difference between the no-contract price and the hardware BOM is the margin.

I'm willing to bet software is one of the most expensive components for apple. Android makers get their source free from google and write small customizations around it, device drivers, vendor software etc, but nothing from the ground up.
 
What's with all this perseveration on R&D?

Ever heard of such concepts as ENGINEERING, TEST, PRODUCTION, MARKETING, DISTRIBUTION, SALES, etc?

WBI abound on these forums...

(refrain)
 
These charts are stupid because they never take into account the cost of development of the hardware it self on Apples end or the cost for developing the OS and thats the most expensive part.

You are correct there, yes... but like others, we are most upset about the fact of how much we pay for extra storage. There is an addition $90 of profit in the 32 GB model compared to the 16 GB. and there is an addition $169 of margin in the 64 GB model.

If they charged $199, $249, and $299 on contract. Their margins would still be huge, and there would still be additional margin on larger capacity versions. An additional $40 on the 32 GB model and an additional $69 on the 64 GB model (That is just additional margin compared to the margin already built into the 16 GB model).

That is why people may be upset. It did not take any additional R&D for the 64 GB model compared to the 16 GB model. Just different RAM, meaning we pay $200 additional for something they pay $31 additional for...

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You're carrier of choice pays an additional $400+ on top of what you pay to Apple.

I thought it was $450?? Or Do they get a discounted rate before they give us a subsidy?
 
Dont talk crap.

How much do you think R&D, manufacturing, assembly, import taxes for respective countries etc etc etc yada yada cost?

Don't be an idiot. Yes, Apple needs to spend money on R&D, manufacturing, etc..but the fact that they have 50B+ USD in the bank means they definitely aren't hurting and they have very healthy margins. Grossly overcharging a consumer for things like more RAM does make Apple greedy.
 
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