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Lightning is expressly created to lock out manufacturers even of cables who aren't paying Apple a licensing fee for using the dock connector.

The idea they're going to make it easier for anyone to create accessories is laughable.

english..?
 
In the keynote they mentioned that the interface was adaptable to work with different devices.
 
Lol....predictable.

If you're willing to purchase a GS3 for me I'd love to check it out....but definitely not willing to give up my iPhone 5/Apple ecosystem based on my current experience with Android (Nexus 7).

I have the Nexus and Nexus 7. What's wrong with them? For me I love the fact that I'm able to customize the OS the way I want and not have it stuck to Apple's template. Yes I realize some don't mind that and that's what iOS is for. That's fine, I'm not putting down iOS, it's just not for at the moment. I'm sure it's a fine OS. I'll admit though that the iPhone and iPad look way better than the Nexus' phycial design. Apple wins hands down with that...even if the iPhone 5's design is a "been there done that" design.

And why does Apple have to make their connector for? Why can't they just use a standard USB connection? That's the thing with Apple, everything is there way and nothing else.

To each his own I suppose.


english..?

When you go iOS you do it Apple's way and you have no input. :D
 
The older iPhone didn't work with USB pluggable devices either. That was the iPad. (Camera connection kit didn't work on the iPhone).

How stupid would it have been if they came out with a new iPhone that *didn't* have a "specification bump"? Are you familiar with computers and similar kinds of electronics?

Are you familiar with sarcasm?
 
Why is this news? Of course it will support USB hosting.

The iPad requires USB hosting, the iPad will get Lightning, so Lightning must support it.

Both the iPad and the iPhone 4/4s support a good number of USB audio peripherals (midi / audio interfaces / microphones etc.) and there's a lot of software in the store that uses this.
 
pretty sure this interface is PCI-Express.

And any adapter contains a chipset to connect whatever hangs off the PCI-Express bus.

This would be very similar to Thunderbolt, minus the video signaling.
 
It seems very un-apple like to allow users to connect external peripherals (Keyboard) to iPhone via usb. As nice as it would be, I doubt it would happen :(

The fact that Apple discontinued their iPad Keyboard justifies this.
 
Yes, there is limited USB Hosting on the 30-pin connector but IMO, it was almost a hardware beta. This new connector is a lot ore rugged and less foolproof opening it for wide use USB Hosting and a new slew of apps addressing specific USB devices. My take is you'll be seeing a lot more USB devices moving to the platform.
 
Why is this news? Of course it will support USB hosting.

The iPad requires USB hosting, the iPad will get Lightning, so Lightning must support it.

Both the iPad and the iPhone 4/4s support a good number of USB audio peripherals (midi / audio interfaces / microphones etc.) and there's a lot of software in the store that uses this.

But those require plugging a USB cable in to the USB adapter that comes with the Camera Kit, as that "USB adapter" has additional intelligence built into it. I think what the article is saying is, the "intelligent guts" that were built into that adapter is now built into Lightning itself, so you should be able to plug just the Lightning to USB adapter into these various devices, and if they are supported, it will work. No extra "thing" required.
 
It seems like most people are focusing on one side of this lightning instead of usb issue. I'm quite sure Apple is coming from the other side - that by using a connector they license, it's virtually guaranteed anything that plugs in directly will work the way it's supposed to. With a standard connector you'd have people hooking up all kinds of things that won't work the way they're supposed to - and then the phone gets blamed even though it wasn't intended to support, say, your old usb printer. You know better, but how about your Great Aunt?

If you want to use new gear with legacy peripherals, there are adapters which may or may not work great for your setup. You can still use your iPhone charger to charge all kinds of things if you have the right cable. This sucks for those who have recently bought expensive dock-connector based peripherals for sure. But that's about it.
 
Possibility of using European Mini USB adapter

Couldn't one use the mini USB adapter going out to Europe as a means of easily attaching all kinds of peripherals via the Lightning port?
 
It seems very un-apple like to allow users to connect external peripherals (Keyboard) to iPhone via usb. As nice as it would be, I doubt it would happen :(

What do you mean? You can already connect a keyboard to your iPhone with bluetooth. I've been doing this for a long time. Works great for writing papers in Pages on the iPhone. Not sure I wouldn't ever care about a physical connection when the wireless connection works so well.
 
Cant wait to add a Mouse and Keyboard to my iPhone 5 :D

Can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not, but I highly doubt that's where Apple's going with this (if the Lightning port turns out to support external devices at all.)

I mean, they spent a fair portion of the keynote talking about how things have changed since the advent of the 30-pin connector with more and more people using wireless technologies like Bluetooth and Wi-Fi to perform key functions.

If you were being sarcastic, please ignore my post entirely.
 
What's that Android device that has a keyboard/screen it can dock into to use as a makeshift netbook kind of thing? I'm not sure if there would be a market for that, but it might be something they could do.
 
Bought a 2 dollar usb otg cable for my nexus 7/galaxy nexus. Pretty much every usb device I have tried so far works out of the box including usb speakers.
 
What's that Android device that has a keyboard/screen it can dock into to use as a makeshift netbook kind of thing? I'm not sure if there would be a market for that, but it might be something they could do.

Well, you can get several iPad folio cases with a built-in Bluetooth keyboard - these have much the same effect, with the advantage that you get a standard Bluetootk keyboard (often detachable) that will work with other devices (although the ASUS you mention also has an extended battery in they keyboard section).

I have one of these cases and I'm not entirely convinced - it adds a lot of bulk.
 
The older iPhone didn't work with USB pluggable devices either. That was the iPad. (Camera connection kit didn't work on the iPhone).

How stupid would it have been if they came out with a new iPhone that *didn't* have a "specification bump"? Are you familiar with computers and similar kinds of electronics?

dark-scribbler - you don't get irony do you. The much vaunted iPhone 5 is not a revolution or even a great step forward. Its a repackaging and a speed bump - not exactly something to splash out $600 and possibly have to upgrade your mac because the phone only works with recent versions of iTunes. :rolleyes:
 
The reason the new adapter (which lets you use old accessories with the new phone) is so expensive is not, because Apple wanted to inflate its quarterly revenue but because the old adapter is analog and the new one is digital, and so the adapter includes a tiny analog-to-digital converter, and those who have any experience with such things knows that they are typically very expensive.

Lightning I/O has built-in support to host USB devices, which could lead to more fully-featured accessories than previously possible. Think keyboards, digital cameras, MIDI interfaces, mics and other USB-based gear…
 
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