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So much for the people screaming Apples holding back stock to create a false demand. Can't they come up with a new line, its been the same statement for the last few years. :cool:

Yea somehow the Steve Jobs Reality Distortion Field still exists and allows Apple to both withhold stock and have record breaking sales at the same time... truly amazing. ;)
 
I see. You were talking about techies, not average Joes.

Yes, saying that MR members were perhaps more likely to be influenced by improvements in technical specification than your average iPhone buyer for whom 'features' (such as compass, Siri, camera megapixels) were maybe a stronger selling point.
 
Personally, I don't - I was just trying to reflect what other MacRumors members were quoting as reasons for upgrading.

I'd love to be able to poll everyone who's preordered and see what their reasons for upgrading were (and weren't).

Answer to your poll.

They want it, it really is that simple.
 
Given that the iPhone 5 is arguably the least significant update the iPhone has had

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I'll correct this: Given that the iPhone 5 is in your opinion the least significant update the iPhone has had, you are really surprised. It would seem that millions of people have a different opinion on it.

The update is actually quite significant. But the people with a one year old 4S that is still under contract are not the ones that are pre-ordering, it's the ones with a two year old iPhone 4. The ones who wouldn't pay to get out of their contract one year ago when the iPhone 4S was released. iPhone 4S owners will be queuing up pre-ordering the iPhone 5S next year.

'Arguably' does not mean 'in my opinion'. There seems to be enough mixed opinions across the Internet and the media to justify suggesting this opinion, I did not present it as my own.

The point you make about '4' owners upgrading at the end of their contracts seems to be a good one though, as I'm sure lots of them will have been biding their time having seen their friends/colleagues with 4Ss over the last year.
 
Yes, saying that MR members were perhaps more likely to be influenced by improvements in technical specification than your average iPhone buyer for whom 'features' (such as compass, Siri, camera megapixels) were maybe a stronger selling point.

I think LTE and a 4" screen are pretty impressive "features," and ones that the "average buyers" have been told they were supposed to be getting for a while now. Dual-band 802.11n ain't bad either.

But seriously, the screen is changing size for the first time EVER, and the new connector sets in motion a change across the entire Apple portable device ecosystem. This is by far the most significantly upgraded iPhone, ever - regardless of what type of consumer perspective you are judging it by. Arguably.
 
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'Arguably' does not mean 'in my opinion'. There seems to be enough mixed opinions across the Internet and the media to justify suggesting this opinion, I did not present it as my own.

The point you make about '4' owners upgrading at the end of their contracts seems to be a good one though, as I'm sure lots of them will have been biding their time having seen their friends/colleagues with 4Ss over the last year.

I'm a '4' (former 3G owner, former original iPhone) owner who thinks this this is arguably one of the most significant iPhone upgrades yet.

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20 million I think. :)

Set the goal very high, so we can be "disappointed" that it failed to meet expectations.
 
'Arguably' does not mean 'in my opinion'. There seems to be enough mixed opinions across the Internet and the media to justify suggesting this opinion, I did not present it as my own.

I think you need to shield yourselves from outside influences a little. People now see Apple as a giant and try to bring it down as much as they can. 10 years ago if Apple update their product like this it would be hailed as a biggest upgrade ever. Now people are just meh because they have hundred billion bucks in cash and they can only do this.
In short, Apple will never be treated fairly now. Short of unicorn in iPhone it always will be small upgrade for tech community.
 
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Tim effin cook. Supply chain genius and great pick to replace Steve jobs. Good job Tim. Now, take my money.
 
Great!!! Lower our bills!!!!

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Can we put the conspiracy theories about withholding supply for marketing purposes to rest, now?

This really has nothing to do with someone ordering a phone. It's when they will receive it that this comes into play.
 
Nope, I did say 'arguably', and I'm looking at it from the point of view of the average iPhone buyer who's swayed by things like Siri, a compass and camera megapixels, not the minority (like us) who judge updates on RAM and processor specs. To the average iPhone buyer, iPhone 5 = taller screen and nice shiny metal back IMHO.

From the point of view of the average buyer, this has a taller screen, a new, lighter case, and is an LTE phone, which the carriers are promoting heavily. Plus the new OS has some software features that run only on the new model. That sounds like a pretty significant change. No previous update has done all that much. Before this, likely the biggest update was the iPhone 4 since it was a significant upgrade to the screen.

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Usually its FedEx, if I remember correctly.

A lot of us have looked up online to find tracking numbers for UPS.
 
I just got off of the phone with O2, one of the big UK networks, and the guy I spoke to told me demand for iPhone 5 has been off the charts. They've been turning away calls due to the massive waiting times and have overtime available all week for as many people as want it.

I think we can reasonably expect that this new iPhone will smash all prior records for the iPhone or any other mobile device - any device at all in fact!

Apple doesn't need to artificially restrict supply to create buzz. We should know by now that they can't meet the demand for almost any of their newer products for at least a few weeks post launch. I mean, even if I bought into the logic of artificial shortages the potential benefits of such a move surely only last a few days. What would be the point of having supply shortages a month after launch? By that time, who are you trying to impress?
 
I wonder if Samsung or Nokia have these 'problems'?

They don't seem to but I wouldn't act like that is a positive. The Galaxy S III has sold over 15million phones and they can keep up. For the last two months, the Galaxy s III outsold iPhone significantly. This does not include the rest of the Samsung lineup which combined BLOW away the iPhone sales.
I would expect the iPhone 5 to take over but I wouldn't jump around like its some unbelievable sales records that have Apple Blown away.

Apple is great at marketing gimmicks.
- Create a media spectacle around the announcement (this is getting repetitive and as we saw with iPhone 5, it is not much of a secret anymore)
- Spend 2 months acting like demand is so great, you can't keep up (Samsung did, the statistics prove that)
- Limit purchasing quantities to keep up the hype.

Again, I am an huge Apple fan and own nothing but Apple products where available. We just need to keep it real and not turn into Apple Zombies. Other companies have caught (and arguably passed by) them in some technologies.


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They don't seem to but I wouldn't act like that is a positive. The Galaxy S III has sold over 15million phones and they can keep up. For the last two months, the Galaxy s III outsold iPhone significantly. This does not include the rest of the Samsung lineup which combined BLOW away the iPhone sales.
I would expect the iPhone 5 to take over but I wouldn't jump around like its some unbelievable sales records that have Apple Blown away.

Apple is great at marketing gimmicks.
- Create a media spectacle around the announcement (this is getting repetitive and as we saw with iPhone 5, it is not much of a secret anymore)
- Spend 2 months acting like demand is so great, you can't keep up (Samsung did, the statistics prove that)
- Limit purchasing quantities to keep up the hype.

Again, I am an huge Apple fan and own nothing but Apple products where available. We just need to keep it real and not turn into Apple Zombies. Other companies have caught (and arguably passed by) them in some technologies.


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Just curious where you're getting this stuff? An analyst said the S3 was outselling it based on carrier retail stores, which didn't include Best Buy or Apple Store's apparently. I'm in no way saying it did or did not outsell it, but where are you getting significantly?

Just mind as well point out it's been said multiple times about multiple devices by analysts and thus far has never been right.
 
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I almost wish Bill Clinton would give a speech pointing out to the fandroids that their arguments about low demand and restricted supply ignores arithmetic. Maybe he can get through to them when logic and numbers can't. Great work Apple!
 
Apple is dead

I mean, all they have going for them is $700 +- shares and broken sales records. I hear the funeral bells now.
 
predicting 1.7 mil. Yeah some of us thing that this isn't the next big thing including me when it first came out, but i guarantee you when it comes out and you look at it and use it, you will immediately want one
 
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