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Kind of the point

This does not include the rest of the Samsung lineup which combined BLOW away the iPhone sales.
I would expect the iPhone 5 to take over but I wouldn't jump around like its some unbelievable sales records that have Apple Blown away.

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That's going to be the basis for a new joke....."How many android phones does it take to beat an iPhone? Answer: More
 
Most people are upgrading from an iPhone 4 or older. I am one of them. To me, it is a significant upgrade. Also, the batteries of two year and older phones hold a loss less charge than when new. Why would anyone be surprised by the large numbers? Keep in mind that there are also additional carriers, so that makes the customer base much larger.
 
How could this possibly have happened when Apple was holding back stock on purpose in order to drive up the demand?????
 
Yes, saying that MR members were perhaps more likely to be influenced by improvements in technical specification than your average iPhone buyer for whom 'features' (such as compass, Siri, camera megapixels) were maybe a stronger selling point.

I think that existing iPhone owners are more justified to look at specs. With any specs, the question is: What are the specs? And how does the phone take advantage of those specs? If you compare different phones, you don't know the answer to the second question. But if you have an iPhone 4, and the iPhone 5 has a faster processor, then you know it will do things faster than the iPhone 4. And if Apple made some improvements to the camera, your pictures will look better (from iPhone 4 to iPhone 5)
 
Given that the iPhone 5 is arguably the least significant update the iPhone has had, I'm really surprised.... I really thought this launch would be so much quieter compared to earlier ones.

I still think that there were so many "security leaks" in the last few months because Apple saw some advantage in the reports giving people a good idea what to expect.

Without the warning, I think that people might have expected something revolutionary and groundbreaking instead of what they got.

A Geekbench score of 1601 basically silences criticism from the specifications watchers while more of the iPhone 5 get into the hands of real users.

The A6 seems to calculate differently enough from Snapdragon for Android manufacturers to be worried about where they're going next. They've already pushed Qualcomm quad cores to 1.5 GHz, and I don't know where they think they're going next with it.

Is there a processor on the horizon that can compete with the A6's performance, and is there a Samsung on the horizon that can compete with what we're already seeing from the iPhone 5?

Don't mean to be trolling. I really don't know! :)
 
From the point of view of the average buyer, this has a taller screen, a new, lighter case, and is an LTE phone, which the carriers are promoting heavily.

I'll be mostly buying because my 3Gs is feeling old, LTE and a bigger screen is a bonus.
 
Given that the iPhone 5 is arguably the least significant update the iPhone has had, I'm really surprised.

That's actually the second most significant update to happen out of five.

1. iPhone 4
2. iPhone 5
3. iPhone 3G
4. iPhone 3GS
5. iPhone 4S

And if we're talking performance, it's the most significant update of all five.
 
But the iPhone 5 is such a disappointment! /sarcasm

Apple could have just made an iPhone 4GS with a couple added features over the iPhone 4S and the same thing would have happened. It sells mainly because it's an iPhone.

Next years iPhone 5S will beat this one even if they only make a couple tiny changes. Apple can't lose and hopefully they will use that fact to grow the profitability of this line.
 
Just saw on CNBC: Apple says pre-orders top 2,000,000 in first 24 hours :eek:
 
That's actually the second most significant update to happen out of five.

1. iPhone 4
2. iPhone 5
3. iPhone 3G
4. iPhone 3GS
5. iPhone 4S

And if we're talking performance, it's the most significant update of all five.

You know, I don't know that I agree. I think the 5 out-significants the 4.

I mean, let's compare (and please tell me if I'm missing anything important):

The 4 brought:

1. Retina display
2. Front camera
3. Significantly better rear camera with flash
4. New chassis - increased weight but reduced thickness

The 4 didn't offer much by way of processor improvements over the 3GS, nor did it offer much more in terms of wireless technology - still 3G.

The 5 brings:

1. Increased screen size with In-Cell touch to greatly improve colour accuracy
2. LTE
3. Massive processor boost
4. HD FaceTime
5. Lightening connector
6. New chassis with big reduction in weight and thickness

The 5 doesn't increase megapixels on the rear camera, of course, and Retina was already in place but, I don't know, for me the 5 seems a bigger leap than the 4, especially in wireless tech and processor improvements.

Perhaps it's too close to call.
 
I don't believe Apple withheld stock to surprise a few people with launch day phones.
I believe manufacturing of phones is ongoing. So if they had 1.5 million iphones ready on 9/14 at 12:00 am, and they all sold out, they are still manufacturing phones on the 14th, 15th, 16th, 17th.
Hypothetically (because we don't know actual numbers), promising 2 million orders launch day delivery would be a poor business decision. Promise the orders you can ship on 9/14th, not the orders you can ship on 9/21.
If there are extra phones on hand between 9/14 and 9/21 that can be shipped for a 9/21 arrival, it's much easier to backtrack and say "Hey, your order will actually be ready for 9/21" vs. "Hey, I know we promised your order for 9/21, but it will actually be ready in 2-3 weeks."

Seriously, people need to use common sense on macrumors, it's killing me.

I'm hedging my bets on 1.3 mil. I'm sure they had display issues in production that probably slowed down the manufacturing process greatly.

Doh. Only shy by 50%
 
It would have been better if 4S people were able to upgrade...:mad:

Well you can...if you pay the full unsubsidized cost (I believe that starts at $649 or $699 for the 16gb model).

A couple of slices of the data that would be interesting...

1) How many pre-orders are from people that are in fact paying that full amount? These are the "I must have the latest" people that will also likely buy the next models early too.

2) How may pre-orders are from people that could have moved to a new phone months and months ago but were awaiting the release of the iPhone 5? Basically, these are not new buyers but people that are selecting the 5 over the 4s or other device.

Both of the above are the spike and to me do not represent the long term demand against the competition.
 
iPhone 5 breaks sales record. iPhone5 reaches 2 MILLION pre-orders.

iPhone 5 outsells previous iPhone 4S.

So why do republicans think we are NOT better off than we were 4 years ago?

Clearly the proof is in the sales!!!!!
 
2 million from Apple, no specific number from AT&T, nothing from Verizon. Nothing from Bell, Rogers or Telus in Canada. Nothing from the European carriers. I assume the Apple number includes them all.

I am pleased AT&T at least said they pre-sold more than last year, but carriers seem to prefer keeping mum.
 
How could this possibly have happened when Apple was holding back stock on purpose in order to drive up the demand?????

It was wasn't to drive up demand, it's to make sure they can fulfill orders, will hundreds of thousands ordering phones all at once the system can lag out (we've all experienced computer lag from trying to run too much at once)

now imagine a scenario where that lag wasn't accounted for and apple ends up selling more phones than it can promise? that would be a PR fiasco. so they dial back the allotted phones and then readjust for overflow. it's actually very intelligent and better for the consumer
 
You know, I don't know that I agree. I think the 5 out-significants the 4.

I mean, let's compare (and please tell me if I'm missing anything important):

The 4 brought:

1. Retina display
2. Front camera
3. Significantly better rear camera with flash
4. New chassis - increased weight but reduced thickness

The 4 didn't offer much by way of processor improvements over the 3GS, nor did it offer much more in terms of wireless technology - still 3G.

The 5 brings:

1. Increased screen size with In-Cell touch to greatly improve colour accuracy
2. LTE
3. Massive processor boost
4. HD FaceTime
5. Lightening connector
6. New chassis with big reduction in weight and thickness

The 5 doesn't increase megapixels on the rear camera, of course, and Retina was already in place but, I don't know, for me the 5 seems a bigger leap than the 4, especially in wireless tech and processor improvements.

Perhaps it's too close to call.

you forgot the 4 brought noise canceling, and didn't it bring the compass?
 
"It doesn't take a genius" to see that Samsung is scared for good reason

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Given that the iPhone 5 is arguably the least significant update the iPhone has had, I'm really surprised. I know pre-orders sold out globally within just over an hour, but without knowing what availability was compared to other pre-releases, that didn't really mean a thing. However, to hear this from AT&T, especially as they no longer have the monopoly on iPhone in the US, leaves me somewhat staggered by the fact that there's still so many people out there (me included!) throwing their money at the iPhone 5. I really thought this launch would be so much quieter compared to earlier ones.

I don't get why people keep saying this is a minor update!! What about the 3G to 3GS? That was ....what were the differences even? Voice control?

Personally, I've been waiting for an LTE iPhone since the original 3G came out. I think the taller screen was a good move, they've doubled the RAM, and I think this is by far the best looking iPhone yet!

Someone PLEASE tell me how this is a "minor" update from the 4S!!
 
Not to mention they eliminated the automatic 12-month upgrade for $100/mo primary account holders.

And some were hoping sales would be so poor that at&t would cave in and allow 4S owners to upgrade for $199 :p
 
Apple got me with the monochrome iPod and iTunes which came loaded on a new HP PC. The software blew away anything I had ever used for music management. The iPod was incredible. It wasn't long before I had a MacBook Pro. I knew I would have to keep up with Apple's frantic pace of innovation but that there would be rewards for doing so. Yeah, it costs real money to keep up but the stuff works and it's FUN. So iPhone 5 or a six year old Zune? I don't see much of a contest and I certainly don't want a plastic piece of junk that the maker abandons when it is shipped.

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It will also be fun to see how iPhone 5 works on Sprint's dial-up speed network. :D
 
I don't get why people keep saying this is a minor update!! What about the 3G to 3GS? That was ....what were the differences even? Voice control?

The 3GS was actually a significant update as it added the following over the 3G:

Improved battery life
Faster processor/more memory
Better camera, with autofocus and tap to focus
Video
Compass
Oleophobic coating
Voice Control
HSDPA implementation (allows faster download speeds)

In contrast, original iPhone to 3G added just three new things (new case, 3G and A-GPS).

Every year we always get people who rationalize and say it's a significant or not significant update, regardless of what the newest iPhone actually have.
 
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