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really? its not? did you see where i said profit on the "hardware"?

i buy an iphone regardless of carrier. i will be in contract, regardless of carrier. so if i buy a $199 subsidized phone each year, and i sell that very phone for $400 a year later, i have a profit on the "hardware"

i would love for you to tell me where i am wrong.
All you are doing is subsidizing the purchase of your next phone - on a contract that costs way more per month for the privilege of having that phone subsidized in the first place. Buying the phone outright and choosing a sim-only service is, at least for most people in the UK, a cheaper option overall AND it gives you the flexibility of changing it (and provider) whenever you want, and not just at the beginning of every cycle.

Interesting how people fail to look at the bigger picture when it comes to money. All they see is a $199 going out and $399 coming in, never mind the bit in the middle that cost you far more than it did me.

So your monthly payments are less than ours because you own your phone out rigth?
 
I don't think Apple will drop 10$ down from the current pricing. Still too many people willing to spend that much. :rolleyes:
 
]Not only that, but the gentleman is comparing apples and oranges. I am not talking about my rate plan. I am simply stating that i pay $200 every year for my iphone and i then sell that phone for more than $200. I made it clear in my first post, "hardware"

Whether or not he posts anything, i wont. Ive made my simple statement very clear.

Hey, I bought a washing machine last week on finance. 0% down and 50 bucks a month for 24 months.

But I sold it yesterday for 800 dollars.

Did I make a 800 dollar profit?

I chose this example on purpose.

Just because the networks give you a cheaper phone doesn't mean they aren't bending you over on the tarriffs.

ATT is a business. they arent losing any money on the hardware. it would be childish of you to think so.

If I can get 5000 minutes and 1gb data for lets say 50 dollars a month sim only

BUT the iphone plan costs me 90 a month for the same tarrif, you are essentially paying the 90 -50 = 40 dollars a month to pay off the full price of the iphone + interest.

bmms8, you fail at basic economics.
 
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Hey, I bought a washing machine last week on finance. 0% down and 50 bucks a month for 24 months.

But I sold it yesterday for 800 dollars.

Did I make a 800 dollar profit?

I chose this example on purpose.

Just because the networks give you a cheaper phone doesn't mean they aren't bending you over on the tarriffs.

ATT is a business. they arent losing any money on the hardware. it would be childish of you to think so.

If I can get 5000 minutes and 1gb data for lets say 50 dollars a month sim only

BUT the iphone plan costs me 90 a month for the same tarrif, you are essentially paying the 90 -50 = 40 dollars a month to pay off the full price of the iphone + interest.

bmms8, you fail at basic economics.

Okay, you need to re read what I was saying. As I stated before, I will have a plan that I pay for, whether it be AT&T or Verizon. Following so far? Good

I will continue to keep that plan and rate for years to come. For me they are fixed expenses. Following still yeah? Hope so

Every year, I purchase the phone for $200. At the end of that year I sell that very phone for $400. Now on the hardware, and hardware only, I made a profit of $200. No matter whether I pay $20 or $50 a month on my plan, right? Because I'm talking about "hardware" not my yearly plan cost. Please understand and leave it alone if you don't understand.
 
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Okay, you need to re read what I was saying. As I stated before, I will have a plan that I pay for, whether it be AT&T or Verizon. Following so far? Good

So far so good. Congratulate yourself.

I will continue to keep that plan and rate for years to come. For me they are fixed expenses. Following still yeah? Hope so

They are not fixed. You an choose your minutes + data and the price you pay.

Every year, I purchase the phone for $200.

WRONG... Try walking into a store and buy just an iphone for 200 dollars. You will get laughed at.

At the end of that year I sell that very phone for $400. Now on the hardware, and hardware only, I made a profit of $200.

NO because they wont sell you the phone for just 200. EVER. You have to buy a tarriff. The extra cost of the phone is built into the tarriff cost.

So you have to buy a phone + tarriff but you are only selling the phone. unless the buyers of the iphone you sell are paying you monthly plus the 400 dollars, you aint making a profit. FACT.


No matter whether I pay $20 or $50 a month on my plan, right?

No it does matter. Explained above.

Because I'm talking about "hardware" not my yearly plan cost. Please understand and leave it alone if you don't understand.

You are the one that needs to understand economics 101.

How can a phone company possibly sell you a phone for 200 dollars which costs upwards of 500 dollars elsewhere. Use your common sense.
 
Iphone 5 has much more features than the earlier models so i expect that there will much difference in price also.... Some report comes that it will be about in $499.........!

ok, what are those news features?:rolleyes:
 
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