iPhone 5 Shipping in September with Faster Processor, Similar Look

[chris975d]

I definitely agree that they won't completely push the iPad/iPhone 4 users to the curb. But I do think we'll start seeing some apps and games that come out that will take advantage of the hardware. They will still run on the older devices, but they will take a little longer to start the games, and the load screens will become a bit longer on those games. I think it'll be pretty similar to how the iPhone 3G -> 3GS conversion took place. They will be alright at first, but more and more games will begin to drift onto the app store that will be quite a bit slower on the iPhone 4. The one thing I would worry about though is that it may take a little less time this time around, with a device utilizing the A5 chip already being out for a decent amount of time.

Also, we will likely see many more apps like Real Racing 2 coming out, which support the iPhone 5 being the controller for a game on the TV. The games will still run on the iPhone 4, but they won't have those types of features. And that is just one feature we'll likely see a lot more of. I expect to see quite a few more little features that the developers come up with that will require the dual-core A5. The apps and games will run on the older devices, but you won't get to have the full experience.

But, will app developers still push the envelope like that if the uptake of the iPhone 5 isn't as great/record-setting as the iPhone 4? Because I can envision a likely scenario where a lot of users don't upgrade to the "5", especially if the external design doesn't change that much from the current iP4. The average user associates "big upgrade" with the external look of the device, not what's under the hood. Just look at all the people who continuously (incorrectly) state that the 3GS was a "minor" upgrade from the 3G, and how many people state that the iPad 2 was a "minor" upgrade from the iPad 1. Even though the processing and graphical power more than doubled in each instance. So I could very likely see the iPhone 5 not taking off quite as well as the iPhone 4 did, if the external design doesn't differ dramatically.

 

[2IS]

I like how everyone calls the 3G to 3GS minor and the 3GS to 4 major. As someone who has used all three phones, I can tell you that the 3G to 3GS was far more major. The performance upgrade was monumental compared to the 3GS to 4. And honestly, the iPhone 4 didn't add that much. The exterior design is better, but who really cares? And then the major change was that front camera, which admit it everyone... You used a couple times in your first week, and haven't used it since. I obviously think the iPhone 4 was a great phone and worthy of an upgrade from the 3GS, but the 3GS is still very useable, and was an extreme upgrade in the most important part of the phone, performance over the 3G.

The screen alone on the iP4 was a very major upgrade. Then there is the design, then there is the significanly better camera, both still and video which I use on nearly a daily basis. The performance differene between 3GS to 4 may not have been as drastic as 3G to 3GS, but if you consider the entire package I think the iP4 was easily a bigger update than the 3GS was.

 

[marksman]

What real difference would a larger screen make, it's half an inch at best, barely any difference.

I really can't see what could be gained from doing this, other than being in line with the competitions screen sizes. It would have an impact on the resolution and thus affect all apps.

Would increasing the screen size really enhance the product if it compromised the ecosystem upon which it is so tightly engrained in?

It wouldn't enhance the product or the experience, that is why they are not going to do it.

Apple does not just add things because they are bigger, they add things because it makes the overall device better.

Changing the phone to support a 4" screen at this time would not make the experience of the device better, and in a lot of ways it would actually make the device worse.

People just get so blinded by bigger/faster/better specs. Apple makes these devices as a complete and integrated product where every change and modification is considered in terms of how it impacts everything else.

Not a single Android phone manufacturer does that. They just assemble a bunch of parts, install an OS that someone else makes and let it rip.

 

[marksman]

I'm sure he just means the screen and it has been proven that a 4" screen will not increase the physical size of the phone.

Even if it went to 4.5" or 5" and made the phone slightly bigger, you probably wouldn't even notice (but this is more than extremely unlikely to happen)

Proven by whom?

Your later statements demonstrate a significant ignorance of how screen sizes are measured.

I'm getting so sick of hearing this excuse. NO ONE holds the phone by the TINY little black glass area next to the screen (right and left in portrait orientation)... the hold it by the metal edge, which has nothing to do with how close the edge of the screen is to the edge of the phone.

So tired of this.

How do you think cases stay on the phone? Do you want them to cover up the screen?

 

[Number 41]

The 3GS revolutionized mobile gaming on the mobile phone, not the iPhone 3G or iPhone 4. It was the 3GS that really vaulted the app store into what it is today because it was the first iPhone that could truly handle the quality of apps we enjoy today. And don't be surprised if the iPhone 5 does it again.

And then the iPhone 5 gets left in the proverbial dust a year later when LTE/4G comes to the iPhone 6 and offers new functionality that can't be replicated on any of the older phones running the slow network.

Sorry, but there's no spec bump alive that would make being tethered to a 3G network phone for 2 years worthwhile when everyone else can enjoy faster connections.

 

[Reach9]

It wouldn't enhance the product or the experience, that is why they are not going to do it.

Apple does not just add things because they are bigger, they add things because it makes the overall device better.

Changing the phone to support a 4" screen at this time would not make the experience of the device better, and in a lot of ways it would actually make the device worse.

People just get so blinded by bigger/faster/better specs. Apple makes these devices as a complete and integrated product where every change and modification is considered in terms of how it impacts everything else.

Apple does add things that make the overall device better, a larger screen will definitely make the experience better.

It all depends on how iOS 5 is structured, and how Apple implements a non-intrusive notification system. With a bigger screen, Apple can cleanly put away notifications on the top or bottom of the screen, and allow us to access them whenever we want.
There are numerous mock-ups and ideas about how to implement a notification system on the iPhone and having a bigger screen will definitely make things much easier.

Apple loves to emphasize on the screen, and a larger screen size would be great marketing itself.

Changing the phone to support a 4" screen at this time would not make the experience of the device better, and in a lot of ways it would actually make the device worse.

Lol have you used an iPhone with a 4" screen before? Why do you think it'll make the device worse?

 

[Pro31]

I want a bigger screen. That and iOS 5 will probably be the determining factors for me. I love my iphone, but holding one of the larger Android phones was really nice. The specs are finally coming up to iphone specs as well. Since I have an ipad now the iphone isn't as important. 4" screen Apple come on!!!!

 

[cbronfman]

Sorry, but there's no spec bump alive that would make being tethered to a 3G network phone for 2 years worthwhile when everyone else can enjoy faster connections.

I remember reading that LTE was NOT projected to be released initially for the "smartphone" market, but for computers etc.

 

[lilo777]

It wouldn't enhance the product or the experience, that is why they are not going to do it.

Apple does not just add things because they are bigger, they add things because it makes the overall device better.

Changing the phone to support a 4" screen at this time would not make the experience of the device better, and in a lot of ways it would actually make the device worse.

People just get so blinded by bigger/faster/better specs. Apple makes these devices as a complete and integrated product where every change and modification is considered in terms of how it impacts everything else.

Not a single Android phone manufacturer does that. They just assemble a bunch of parts, install an OS that someone else makes and let it rip.

Yes. That's why most people prefer 15" monitors to 27" ones.

I remember reading that LTE was NOT projected to be released initially for the "smartphone" market, but for computers etc.

Well, it is already released and used by Android smart phones (on Verizon).

 

[DamoTheBrave]

screen

If the screen is not larger I won't upgrade from my iP4. Enough to upgrade for me is a 4" screen, dual processor and more memory. The software stays the same whether I upgrade or not. Personally I find the screen a little too small - especially when thumbs block the view quite as much as they do.

 

[2IS]

Yes. That's why most people prefer 15" monitors to 27" ones.

While I'm not saying the iPhone couldn't use a larger screen, this comparison is flawed in every sense of the word. There's a big difference between a screen that sits on your desk and stays there versus something that needs to go into a pocket/purse that gets carried with you quite literally everywhere you go.

 

[lilo777]

While I'm not saying the iPhone couldn't use a larger screen, this comparison is flawed in every sense of the word. There's a big difference between a screen that sits on your desk and stayes there versus something that needs to go into a pocket/purse that gets carried with you quite literally everywhere you go.

Every comparison is flawed. Popularity of large Android phones clearly indicates that many people prefer 4+ inch screen sizes. There is nothing wrong with current size of iPhone screen. The problem with Apple is that they only release one phone model in a proverbial "one size fits all" paradigm. Well, it does not. I have not seen a single purse that could not fit 4.5" phone.

 

[BrokenChairs]

Perhaps you don't know anything about Apple, but they take the size of their devices very seriously.

Sounds like most men...

Anyhoo, bring in the iP5. That will make the iP4 cheaper for me.

 

[marksman]

Apple does add things that make the overall device better, a larger screen will definitely make the experience better.

At the cost of modifying the display on the device, and making the device larger. Apple weighs the pros and cons of the decision. Right now the cons out weigh the pros. All anyone can say about 4" screen is it is bigger... That is it. The downsides are numerous and have already been spelled out. Apple carefully makes decisions and weighs all factors. If they can't minimize or remove the downsides they don't often do it.

In the case of the 4" screen for the next gen iPhone it is not going to happen as the downsides significantly outweigh the minimal benefit.

As for Lilo's ignorant 15" vs 27" monitor comment, they are not portable devices meant to be carried around with you every where. They could not make a 4" screen without making the device bigger. They have to make the device bigger. They can not fit a 4" screen and keep the same dimensions as the iPhone 4. It is not possible. By that logic an iPad is 1000x superior to any 4" android device, because the screen is massively bigger.

Again Apple is about the entire experience and that covers all aspects. They don't just get a basket at fry's and pick up the most expensive component for every piece and then mash it together. (Hi all android hardware manufacturers)

How many different resolutions can an android application run on these days?

 

[rman726]

And then the iPhone 5 gets left in the proverbial dust a year later when LTE/4G comes to the iPhone 6 and offers new functionality that can't be replicated on any of the older phones running the slow network.

Sorry, but there's no spec bump alive that would make being tethered to a 3G network phone for 2 years worthwhile when everyone else can enjoy faster connections.

Probably starting around 3-4 months before the iPhone 4 came out, gaming became unplayable on the iPhone 3G. The apps took forever to load, the individual levels took forever to load in games. It was just an awful experience. Just about every major game had been updated to support better performance. As the iOS versions continued to come out, the 3G got slower and slower with each build. Then 4.0 finally came out, and it made the 3G unusuable.

The 3GS on the other hand is still running flawlessly. Every game out there plays just about as well as it does on the iPhone 4. And that won't change, because game developers aren't developing for a far better spec'd device. It's always nice to have a phone that last 2 years when you have a 2 year contract. And the iPhone 3G didn't.

When the iPhone 5 comes out with an A5 chip, I can almost guarantee you that the same thing is going to happen. At first, the iPhone 5 won't seem like a significant upgrade over the iPhone 4, and then the apps will start pouring in. And then the iOS upgrades will happen. Hell, iOS 5 might already begin the trend of the iPhone 4 ******** the bed, because Apple will competing with other dual core phones, and aren't just going to dismiss potential software features, like widgets and lock screen functions, because the iPhone 4 doesn't support it well. They'll do what they did with multitasking and the 3G. "Sorry the 3G doesn't have enough power to multitask, but the rest of the new features work! Of course you could always upgrade!"

So fine, skip the upgrade. But don't complain that nobody warned you. Me personally? I'll sell my old phone and get the iPhone 5. When the iPhone 6 comes out, and if it includes 4G, NFC, or whatever other features that I deem worth it, I'll sell my iPhone 5 for ~$500, and eat the cost of a $700-$800 iPhone 6. Because I feel like every upgrade is worth it, especially the performance upgrades that look the same but offer an even greater return than the looks-cool features.

 

[DamoTheBrave]

At the cost of modifying the display on the device, and making the device larger. Apple weighs the pros and cons of the decision. Right now the cons out weigh the pros. All anyone can say about 4" screen is it is bigger... That is it. The downsides are numerous and have already been spelled out. Apple carefully makes decisions and weighs all factors. If they can't minimize or remove the downsides they don't often do it.

In the case of the 4" screen for the next gen iPhone it is not going to happen as the downsides significantly outweigh the minimal benefit.

As for Lilo's ignorant 15" vs 27" monitor comment, they are not portable devices meant to be carried around with you every where. They could not make a 4" screen without making the device bigger. They have to make the device bigger. They can not fit a 4" screen and keep the same dimensions as the iPhone 4. It is not possible. By that logic an iPad is 1000x superior to any 4" android device, because the screen is massively bigger.

Again Apple is about the entire experience and that covers all aspects. They don't just get a basket at fry's and pick up the most expensive component for every piece and then mash it together. (Hi all android hardware manufacturers)

How many different resolutions can an android application run on these days?

What exactly are the downsides. I can only think that a larger screen would require a SLIGHTLY larger device and a larger battery. The screen itself would not shorten battery life because there is more room for larger battery in the device itself.

 

[2IS]

What exactly are the downsides. I can only think that a larger screen would require a SLIGHTLY larger device and a larger battery. The screen itself would not shorten battery life because there is more room for larger battery in the device itself.

Unfortunaly there are many members of this forum that think everything Apple does is the word of God and thus, beyond contestation. Sad really.

 

[bushman4]

Comes the WWDC in June most likely Apple will address the IPHONE5. Even if they are not releasing it in June they probably will have a time frame.

 

[tigress666]

Every comparison is flawed. Popularity of large Android phones clearly indicates that many people prefer 4+ inch screen sizes. There is nothing wrong with current size of iPhone screen. The problem with Apple is that they only release one phone model in a proverbial "one size fits all" paradigm. Well, it does not. I have not seen a single purse that could not fit 4.5" phone.

I don't want a bigger device in my purse. I don't like carrying those huge bags that some females tend to hold. I like my small, compact purse. That has every space spoken for. I used to hold an ipaq in there, and true, it's bigger than an iphone. But I loved the fact the iphone was smaller and fit in much neater without always having to arrange my purse in just the right way just to fit it. And I can fit a few extra stuff (like two "spare batteries". One that was a ripoff and one that can charge my phone 2x on one of its charges).

So, even when you have a purse, space does matter.

Not to mention how easily it holds in your hands.. I got small hands, much more comfortable to hold my narrow phone to my ear than my ipaq (I used to ridicule the idea of having a phone/PDA combo cause the idea of holding that thing to my head...). The iphone is just narrow enough to feel right to use as a phone but big enough the screen is useful. It's fit that sweet spot between portability/size and usable screen.

So yeah, I like the screen size as is.

 

[Geckotek]

Every comparison is flawed. Popularity of large Android phones clearly indicates that many people prefer 4+ inch screen sizes.

Seriously??? And can you show me some stats to prove that 4"+ screens outsell the smaller devices? Based on just casually glancing around the room at my friends and co-workers, it's not often I see more than one 4" Android device in the room, but I frequently see 3-5 iOS devices in a group of 7-8 people.

 

[ProcGirl]

Totally Agree

will only upgrade if the coolest features of iOS 5 can't be run on 3GS...otherwise, i'll wait another year for iPhone 6.

I agree with you Kugino, I have the 3GS and I was waiting for the next iPhone too and it doesn't seem like much of a change in the iPhone 4S so i just might wait until the 5 or 6 which ever they are calling it.

 

[dgree03]

At the cost of modifying the display on the device, and making the device larger. Apple weighs the pros and cons of the decision. Right now the cons out weigh the pros. All anyone can say about 4" screen is it is bigger... That is it. The downsides are numerous and have already been spelled out. Apple carefully makes decisions and weighs all factors. If they can't minimize or remove the downsides they don't often do it.

In the case of the 4" screen for the next gen iPhone it is not going to happen as the downsides significantly outweigh the minimal benefit.

As for Lilo's ignorant 15" vs 27" monitor comment, they are not portable devices meant to be carried around with you every where. They could not make a 4" screen without making the device bigger. They have to make the device bigger. They can not fit a 4" screen and keep the same dimensions as the iPhone 4. It is not possible. By that logic an iPad is 1000x superior to any 4" android device, because the screen is massively bigger.

Again Apple is about the entire experience and that covers all aspects. They don't just get a basket at fry's and pick up the most expensive component for every piece and then mash it together. (Hi all android hardware manufacturers)

How many different resolutions can an android application run on these days?

I don't want a bigger device in my purse. I don't like carrying those huge bags that some females tend to hold. I like my small, compact purse. That has every space spoken for. I used to hold an ipaq in there, and true, it's bigger than an iphone. But I loved the fact the iphone was smaller and fit in much neater without always having to arrange my purse in just the right way just to fit it. And I can fit a few extra stuff (like two "spare batteries". One that was a ripoff and one that can charge my phone 2x on one of its charges).

So, even when you have a purse, space does matter.

Not to mention how easily it holds in your hands.. I got small hands, much more comfortable to hold my narrow phone to my ear than my ipaq (I used to ridicule the idea of having a phone/PDA combo cause the idea of holding that thing to my head...). The iphone is just narrow enough to feel right to use as a phone but big enough the screen is useful. It's fit that sweet spot between portability/size and usable screen.

So yeah, I like the screen size as is.

Seriously??? And can you show me some stats to prove that 4"+ screens outsell the smaller devices? Based on just casually glancing around the room at my friends and co-workers, it's not often I see more than one 4" Android device in the room, but I frequently see 3-5 iOS devices in a group of 7-8 people.

I am going to save these post, because when Apple introduces a 4in screen, I want to see if you boycott the device or buy it and say its the best thing ever. You people are hilarious.

Oh for gecko

http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/22/hummer-handsets-now-account-for-24-percent-of-us-smartphone-sa/

 

[DroidRules]

No LTE/4G = No sale
No Antenna Redesign = No sale
No use of quality build materials (read: not glass) = No sale
Sorry, Apple -- I'm not going to sign a 2 year service agreement to buy a phone that has reception issues, is made of a shatter-prone material, and cannot access high-speed data.
There's no point to this update, just like there was no point to the 3GS update. In this case, it's arguably worse because -- given the rollout of 4G/LTE currently ongoing and the publicity surounding the poor antenna of the iP4 -- it's fairly safe to assume that the next iPhone will address at least 2 of the above issues.

I'm sure apple is very sad you won't pick one up.

Here's another one:
Stop making phones out of effing glass!
5 people I know have had shattered glass (on either the front or the back) of their iPhone 4s less than year into ownership. It's a bloody phone -- it's not a museum piece or collectible. It's going to get used, it's going to get dropped or fall off a table occasionally, and it needs to be at least minimally able to survive a 2 year contract.

I read 5 people that need to take better care of their expensive devices. Whos to say if it was made of another material these butter fingers wouldn't of broken it?

You are so right. I'm thrilled with Apple's brainwashed minions, and even happier that I began loading up on Apple stock over a decade ago.
Little did I realize they would bring us shareholders so much wealth. To think that I bought a load of shares when it was under $20 per, then kept adding each year since, brings a huge grin.
At this point everything I buy is nearly free. And when they screw up the masses still buy it. Nothing could be sweeter.

How about a pic of all this apple stock you own..... come on put up or shut up. I think your full of poo. Troll on troller.

1) You're right but it still reminds me of Antennagate, and Jobs wise ass comment.
So I'll have fun with a Galaxy S2 while the gullible remain in denial.
2) My aren't you perfect.
Now you've backed yourself into a corner and loaded up on bad karma.
The next time you hear glass shatter, you'll know what it is...

I've never dropped my phone either and have a ton of good Karma so what's your comment on that? How about you cruise on over to a Galaxy forum and troll there?

You and I are thinking alike.
Sobering stuff when Apple fails to impress.
Right or wrong the glass iphone will be forever associated with Antennagate.
I'm too much of an Apple enthusiast to keep an albatross like that.
Now I will celebrate a change of brand while Jobs and company hunts for answers.

Seems every one of your posts is filled with fail....... I'm willing to bet you don't even have an iPhone either.

Sounds like you need to pay off your mortgage.

LoL was thinking the same thing.

If buying a different brand of phone means you wont feel the need to come on these boards telling everyone how bad Apple are, then you definitely wont be the only one celebrating....
Al together now.. Hip Hip Hip .... Hooray!!

I'll second that..... Hip Hip Hip Hooray

Oh, right, so that justifies arrogance, parochialism and chauvinism. Carry on then.

Ummmm of course it does.... Don't you know America is the greatest nation in the world and Americans are the greatest people. WE do everything right and the rest of the world can suck it.... is what I would say if I was the typical American. Having lived in Germany for 3 years and making friends with many folks from many nations, I have come to the conclussion that Americans are a spoiled, self riteous, arrogant and really clueless to things outside of our borders. Pathetic but true.

Because Europe > USA.

Guess this statement shows that there are "those types" on both sides of the pond.

 

[ILoveCustomers]

If you can have a bigger screen without a physically larger device size and weight, then yes, it is necessarily better.

Not if the amount of pixels cant be increased, because the resolution would take a hit. Considering the Retina display is a major selling point for Apple its not likely. Of course you would probably prefer a 42" 720p tv over a 36" 1080p also. Some people are just quantity over quality. Enjoy your EVO.

 

[ILoveCustomers]

Yes. That's why most people prefer 15" monitors to 27" ones.




Well, it is already released and used by Android smart phones (on Verizon).

In all 5 cities that LTE works in.