iPhone 5 Shipping in September with Faster Processor, Similar Look

[msb3079]

You're right. My Bumper is held on by Magic.

Your bumper is designed for the current phone, not a future phone.

 

[JAT]

I for one am pretty screwed if the next iPhone is only released in September, because by then my 12-month contract will have been renewed and I won't be able to get a rebate on a new device.

Ok, let's talk about you. Is this how it works? You MUST start a new contract like that? Here, once the contract is over, you can just stay with your current hardware (I had my previous phone for over 3 years) and pay the same service charge if you don't choose to make a change.

What I'm saying is, subconsciously (or maybe not) we tend to think in meteorological seasons as opposed to calendar seasons,

I agree that is what people tend to think. I would say most people call June-August "summer". But it's still wrong. If we go meteorologically, I'm still in winter, because it snowed here this morning. And, winter began in October last year. So, basically, there is no spring or fall for me if we use that thought process.

 

[rman726]

I like how everyone calls the 3G to 3GS minor and the 3GS to 4 major. As someone who has used all three phones, I can tell you that the 3G to 3GS was far more major. The performance upgrade was monumental compared to the 3GS to 4. And honestly, the iPhone 4 didn't add that much. The exterior design is better, but who really cares? And then the major change was that front camera, which admit it everyone... You used a couple times in your first week, and haven't used it since. I obviously think the iPhone 4 was a great phone and worthy of an upgrade from the 3GS, but the 3GS is still very useable, and was an extreme upgrade in the most important part of the phone, performance over the 3G.

 

[fabianjj]

I'm getting so sick of hearing this excuse. NO ONE holds the phone by the TINY little black glass area next to the screen (right and left in portrait orientation)... the hold it by the metal edge, which has nothing to do with how close the edge of the screen is to the edge of the phone.

So tired of this.

That's so true. Why do people keep bringing that up? Even if I tried the most unnatural grips on my iPhone 4, I can't find a single one that is useful AND covers any of the area that an edge-to-edge sceen would use. In neither orientation using either hand.

 

[fabianjj]

I honestly don't understand where some people get their logic from.
I just skimmed through this thread and i saw posts like "The next iPhone will be an iPhne 4S/iPad 2 type upgrade, so it won't be big". Or "the next iPhone should be called iPhone 4GS or iPhone 4S, because it won't be a big upgrade".
I'm sorry but a Dual Core processor itself makes it a huge upgrade. The iPhone 3GS was the biggest upgrade internally, the iPhone 4 has more RAM.

Don't judge a book by it's cover.

Btw, why would Apple go back to messing up with their names? iPhone 3G was almost the exact same as the Original iPhone, except it had 3G functionalities. So they had to emphasize on "3G", hence the name.
In a marketing stance, it didn't make sense for Apple to go from iPhone 3G to iPhone 3, people want to see improvements not a removal of a letter.
And now finally they came back to the numerical way of naming the iPhone, and i think it'll stay just like that. It makes no sense for Apple to mess it up.
Otherwise the iPad 2 according to some people here should've been called "iPad 1S"

This should make sense:
iPhone = iPhone 1
iPhone 3G = iPhone 2
iPhone 3GS = iPhone 3
iPhone 4 = iPhone 4
iPhone 5 = iPhone 5

Makes sense? Now how messed up would this be..
iPhone 4 = iPhone 4
iPhone 4S = iPhone 5
iPhone 5 = iPhone 6

In other words, don't undermine the iPhone 5. Due to the leak of the 'prototype' iPhone 4 last year, Apple has been very strict with their next device, by this time last year we knew a lot about the iPhone 4.
So we can only wait until a date closer to September (from what it seems), to see the actual features of the phone.
Keep in mind guys, Apple is going to add things to make current iPhone 4 owners upgrade, it's all marketing.

I think one reason a lot of people (myself included) considered the 2g->3g upgrade bigger than the 3g->3gs was that the inclusion of 3g data and GPS positioning added far more value than faster internals and a magnetometer. As many people on this forum also states time and time again, processor speed and horsepowers are not the most important thing.

 

[CalBoy]

I agree. While obviously all 3 are equally possible #2 and #3 seem most likely to me.

Indeed. There was a lot of hubbub earlier this year regarding leaks at Apple. A series of absolutely preposterous rumors made it through the news cycle, and I have a hard time believing that Apple wouldn't have been successful in plugging the most significant leaks.

At the same time, this September iPhone rumor has been so persistent that it's starting to look more and more realistic. The only question I have is whether its persistence is due to repetition of the same false rumor, or repeated confirmation from multiple independent sources. Something tells me that it's unlikely many Apple employees are blabbing about the true nature of the iPhone 5 to multiple outlets.

Not surprising at all. The new launch date brings the manufacturing lines in step for both GSM and CDMA phones. It was easy to see this coming when the CDMA phone went into production in 8-10.

iPhone 6 will be back to a July shipment as there will be one phone for both GSM and CDMA. Dual Band Antenna, receiver, and 4G.

While that makes sense in one context, it seems like an awfully risky business strategy. The mobile market is global and no one outside of the US really cares when (or even whether) Verizon gets iPhones, and the concern drops even further down if the question is whether or not Verizon will get the new iPhone at the same time as other carriers. The relatively small advantage of being able to ship two types of phones concurrently would be outweighed by the enormous backlash from the world's mobile customers and carriers who have to tote old hardware.

It's also especially dubious to rely on CDMA production as evidence because by the time a hypothetical iPhone in September would be available, the bulk of Verizon's eligible customers will already have an iPhone. Very few would qualify again within 9 months, and those that were going to be allured by its superior network have already probably switched (as evidenced by the front page news story).

The iPhone can be delayed for a host of other reasons, but I don't think CDMA is a good one.

Most will come from Brazil in Foxconn's new 12 Billion dollar Apple Plant.

I doubt that plant will be up to even moderate capacity by the end of the year, let alone September. That plant is a long-term investment so Foxconn can sell all of its products (including Apple products, Kindles, and a host of other electronics) without tariffs.

Your bumper is designed for the current phone, not a future phone.

I think his point was that if the screen was not bound by a bezel, there would be no comfortable way to hold the phone without activating the touch screen, and there would be no way to put a bumper on it without covering up some of the touch screen.

 

[chris975d]

Well exactly the 3G > 3GS update was minor so the 4/5 will be too.

Anybody expecting a total redesign in Iphone 5 may feel let down. Many people prefer the Iphone 4 design and I'd rather not see them go back to the older design.

Like rman726 says in the below quote, the 3G to 3GS has actually been the largest jump in internal hardware so far, which is what actually matters to developers. It moved from the older, MUCH slower CPU and GPU to essentially the exact same CPU (Cortex A8), and the EXACT same GPU that the iPhone 4 currently uses. The only thing that changed internally from 3GS to iPhone 4 was the RAM doubled, and the CPU got a minimal boost in clock speed. That's it. The rest of the additions to the iPhone 4 (coming from the 3GS) don't aid in processing/computational ability one bit. If the iPhone 5 gets the same CPU and GPU that the iPad 2 has (the dual core setup based off of the A9 and Power VR SGX543), then it will be a HUGE computational upgrade, regardless of whether they leave the external design relatively unchanged or not.

I like how everyone calls the 3G to 3GS minor and the 3GS to 4 major. As someone who has used all three phones, I can tell you that the 3G to 3GS was far more major. The performance upgrade was monumental compared to the 3GS to 4. And honestly, the iPhone 4 didn't add that much. The exterior design is better, but who really cares? And then the major change was that front camera, which admit it everyone... You used a couple times in your first week, and haven't used it since. I obviously think the iPhone 4 was a great phone and worthy of an upgrade from the 3GS, but the 3GS is still very useable, and was an extreme upgrade in the most important part of the phone, performance over the 3G.

 

[fabianjj]

I think his point was that if the screen was not bound by a bezel, there would be no comfortable way to hold the phone without activating the touch screen, and there would be no way to put a bumper on it without covering up some of the touch screen.

Even so, given the current design and only stretch the screen out to the edges, there are ways to attatch a case to it, the one I'm currently using is attatched to the metal frame itself, and doesn't even touch the glass-covered front (although it is made from hard plastic and that little edge would probably not suffice to hold on a bumper that attaches with a part made from rubber).

 

[maclaptop]

Please enlighten us oh mighty one, on how Apple has "screwed up". After all we're just minions as you claim with no clue about anything, who buys whatever we are told. /sarcasm

For clarification, I'm a very long time, TRUE Apple enthusiast, that has witnessed a lot of successes and some failures. A perfectly normal scenario for any company. I neither advocate for, or hate Apple. The simple fact is that I'd rather see them continue their terrific success and become even more profitable for a very long time.

All too often when a problem arises, they go silent, hide, and do nothing to make the customers feel included or appreciated. Or worse, Jobs reacts as he did with the iPhone 4 and his now historic comment "You're holding it wrong". A comment that is interpreted by regular customers (not fanboys) as rude, insulting, and juvenile. Why not say "this has just come to our attention and we are looking into it." Now that is an intelligent, remark (not reaction) that would sit well with any right thinking individual.

Then there's the finger pointing, "they all do that". Really Steve just what did you accomplish by dragging in other manufacturers. Simple, he doesn't want to own up to the problem. The other phones are none of his business, for he is the CEO and responsible only for Apple. These are mistakes that have had questionable impact, since the product already sells so well. But nothing lasts forever, except many peoples memory about how they were treated. If at some point the popularity of the iPhone begins to fade, these mistakes will come back to haunt them. And I for one do not want to see that happen. It's as simple as that.

I am passionate about Apple and would enjoy seeing them maximize everything they do. And while they are indeed doing well now, it could even be better.

 

[lilo777]

Really? So we just disregard the ACTUAL start and end times of seasons now? June 21 to Sept 21 is summer.

What's the actual here? I just pointed out that as matter of fact people in other countries consider June 1st to be the first day of summer. This has nothing to do with astronomy. Here is one good explanation (link):

In countries such as the UK, Denmark, Ireland and Australia the seasons are simply decided according to the Roman calendar, with the seasons decided by the hottest / coldest quarters of the year and beginning on the first of the month.
So Autumn - March 1st
Winter - June 1st
Spring - September 1st
Summer December 1st
and reverse for the opposite hemisphere.

For countries such as the United States, the seasons are determined Astrologically - and begin at the solstice and equinoxes. So spring begins when the days hit equal length then get longer, autumn when they hit equal length then get shorter etc.
Thus spring - March 19 - 22 - the spring equinox
Summer - 19 - 23 June - the summer solstice
Autumn - 21 - 24 Sept - the autumn equinox
Winter 20 - 23 Dec - the winter solstice
and vice versa for the opposite hemispheres.

Since the idea of four seasons was imposed on the rest of the world by northern Europeans and north Americans, there has been dispute about the start of the seasons. Most countries that subscribe to the four season idiocy start them on the solstices and equinoxes. Australia starts them on the first of the month.


Personally, I am not aware of any other country but US where summer does not start on June 1st (perhaps Canada?)

 

[Kauai]

I think his point was that if the screen was not bound by a bezel, there would be no comfortable way to hold the phone without activating the touch screen, and there would be no way to put a bumper on it without covering up some of the touch screen.

Magnets like the smart cover on the iPad?

 

[msb3079]

Ok, let's talk about you. Is this how it works? You MUST start a new contract like that? Here, once the contract is over, you can just stay with your current hardware (I had my previous phone for over 3 years) and pay the same service charge if you don't choose to make a change.

I agree that is what people tend to think. I would say most people call June-August "summer". But it's still wrong. If we go meteorologically, I'm still in winter, because it snowed here this morning. And, winter began in October last year. So, basically, there is no spring or fall for me if we use that thought process.

"Right" and "wrong" is all relative. I'm a weather nut, so I'm more meterological...

Yours would be hard to go by, since Mt. Washington in NH has been known to get snow in August. (only 6,200 ft altitude).

 

[Kauai]

What's the actual here? I just pointed out that as matter of fact people in other countries consider June 1st to be the first day of summer. This has nothing to do with astronomy. Here is one good explanation (link):

In countries such as the UK, Denmark, Ireland and Australia the seasons are simply decided according to the Roman calendar, with the seasons decided by the hottest / coldest quarters of the year and beginning on the first of the month.
So Autumn - March 1st
Winter - June 1st
Spring - September 1st
Summer December 1st
and reverse for the opposite hemisphere.

For countries such as the United States, the seasons are determined Astrologically - and begin at the solstice and equinoxes. So spring begins when the days hit equal length then get longer, autumn when they hit equal length then get shorter etc.
Thus spring - March 19 - 22 - the spring equinox
Summer - 19 - 23 June - the summer solstice
Autumn - 21 - 24 Sept - the autumn equinox
Winter 20 - 23 Dec - the winter solstice
and vice versa for the opposite hemispheres.

Since the idea of four seasons was imposed on the rest of the world by northern Europeans and north Americans, there has been dispute about the start of the seasons. Most countries that subscribe to the four season idiocy start them on the solstices and equinoxes. Australia starts them on the first of the month.


Personally, I am not aware of any other country but US where summer does not start on June 1st (perhaps Canada?)

Ireland's summer (as taught in their schools) begins May 1st and ends August 1st, actually. I'm sure I could find many other differences if I tried.

 

[Tyrion]

Ok, let's talk about you. Is this how it works? You MUST start a new contract like that? Here, once the contract is over, you can just stay with your current hardware (I had my previous phone for over 3 years) and pay the same service charge if you don't choose to make a change.

When my contract ends, it's automatically renewed. It's not entirely clear whether I'll get a subsidy on new hardware AFTER it's been renewed - my guess is no (they've already got me in their pockets, so why subsidize a new device?). This is a horrible, mafia-like practice. I'd prefer it if my contract simply shifted to a month-to-month model after it's up until I renew it (while also getting a nice new subsidized phone). Anyway, my contract ends on the 30th of August. If there's no new iPhone until then, I'll be stuck with the iPhone 4, with an extended contract, and probably no way of getting a subsidized iPhone 5 through my carrier.

 

[msb3079]

I like how everyone calls the 3G to 3GS minor and the 3GS to 4 major. As someone who has used all three phones, I can tell you that the 3G to 3GS was far more major. The performance upgrade was monumental compared to the 3GS to 4. And honestly, the iPhone 4 didn't add that much. The exterior design is better, but who really cares? And then the major change was that front camera, which admit it everyone... You used a couple times in your first week, and haven't used it since. I obviously think the iPhone 4 was a great phone and worthy of an upgrade from the 3GS, but the 3GS is still very useable, and was an extreme upgrade in the most important part of the phone, performance over the 3G.

See, I think opposite. The iPhone 4 changed almost everything. Design, screen, cameras, RAM, etc. 3GS was not worth upgrading for me. Only iPhone I did not buy.

 

[msb3079]

I think his point was that if the screen was not bound by a bezel, there would be no comfortable way to hold the phone without activating the touch screen, and there would be no way to put a bumper on it without covering up some of the touch screen.

There would still be the metal side edge, and a very, very small edge on the top. Hypothetically speaking.

 

[GooMan]

will only upgrade if the coolest features of iOS 5 can't be run on 3GS...otherwise, i'll wait another year for iPhone 6.

More than likely what I'll do too. The iPhone 4 sure does look good though.

 

[Simm0nS777]

I honestly don't understand where some people get their logic from.
I just skimmed through this thread and i saw posts like "The next iPhone will be an iPhne 4S/iPad 2 type upgrade, so it won't be big". Or "the next iPhone should be called iPhone 4GS or iPhone 4S, because it won't be a big upgrade".
I'm sorry but a Dual Core processor itself makes it a huge upgrade. The iPhone 3GS was the biggest upgrade internally, the iPhone 4 has more RAM.

Don't judge a book by it's cover.

Btw, why would Apple go back to messing up with their names? iPhone 3G was almost the exact same as the Original iPhone, except it had 3G functionalities. So they had to emphasize on "3G", hence the name.
In a marketing stance, it didn't make sense for Apple to go from iPhone 3G to iPhone 3, people want to see improvements not a removal of a letter.
And now finally they came back to the numerical way of naming the iPhone, and i think it'll stay just like that. It makes no sense for Apple to mess it up.
Otherwise the iPad 2 according to some people here should've been called "iPad 1S"

This should make sense:
iPhone = iPhone 1
iPhone 3G = iPhone 2
iPhone 3GS = iPhone 3
iPhone 4 = iPhone 4
iPhone 5 = iPhone 5

Makes sense? Now how messed up would this be..
iPhone 4 = iPhone 4
iPhone 4S = iPhone 5
iPhone 5 = iPhone 6

In other words, don't undermine the iPhone 5. Due to the leak of the 'prototype' iPhone 4 last year, Apple has been very strict with their next device, by this time last year we knew a lot about the iPhone 4.
So we can only wait until a date closer to September (from what it seems), to see the actual features of the phone.
Keep in mind guys, Apple is going to add things to make current iPhone 4 owners upgrade, it's all marketing.

+32423423

everyone saying with 100% certainty it will be called the iPhone 4S need to take a second and read this post to quickly realize they have no idea what they are talking about.

 

[bushido]

Ireland's summer (as taught in their schools) begins May 1st and ends August 1st, actually. I'm sure I could find many other differences if I tried.

are u guys really arguing about when seasons start??? jeeze ^^

anyway, in germany summer is from june 21 - sept 23 so technically its indeed still summer and not just in the us but who cares

 

[Kid Red]

Why do we still call it iPhone 5? Everything points to iPhone 4S.

Actually, it points to 4G. Since AT&T just bought T-Mobile and the nations largest 4G network. Next year's iPhone would be iPhone 4GS.

The 3G was to coincide with the 3G network. The 3GS was a bump. The 4 was new but on the 3G network. Now 4G is out, and so is the next iPhone...

 

[Brometheus]

Agreed. I moved from my good ol' 3Gs to a ZTE-Blade a few months ago and have to say that despite the general black/grey colors that android apps seem to be forced to use with the UI, the 'desktop' of the phone is much more elegant and usable than the iPhone's. I'd really like to see Apple open up the API's a little more and maybe even allow us to completely swap out their homescreen for custom app based ones. It works well on the droids.

The iPhone's home screen is iconic. When you see it, you immediately recognize the device as an iPhone. That is a huge marketing and cultural advantage. My feeling is that Apple will not change it in the near future. I expect that iOS 5 will bring new customization options, but I don't expect the look of the home screen to change.

 

[Funkymonk]

same look? lame. I'll wait for the 6

 

[rman726]

See, I think opposite. The iPhone 4 changed almost everything. Design, screen, cameras, RAM, etc. 3GS was not worth upgrading for me. Only iPhone I did not buy.

To me, I consider the iPhone 4 to have added the little things that the iPhone lacked, in addition to also adding an amazing screen.

When the iPhone 3GS came out, it quickly caused app developers to update/create new apps (most noticeably games) to take advantage of the significant increase in processing power that the 3GS gave. That in turn caused the 3G users to be left behind because their phones simply couldn't handle the requirements of those games. It was just a crappy experience. That was especially noticeable when Apple itself came out with iOS 4, which made the iPhone 3G almost impossible to use, it was just so slow (even with the updated iOS 4 that was supposed to help 3G users). Fortunately most of those 3G users were eligible to upgrade to the iPhone 4 by then.

I think the 3G was still a very usable phone when the iPhone 3GS came out because it took a decent amount of time for the developers to have enough apps out there that took advantage of the increased power, but in the coming months before the iPhone 4 came out, I saw a lot of 3G users complaining about how they couldn't wait for the iPhone 4 to come out because they were really noticing the slowness of their 3G. I haven't seen any 3GS users complaining that they just can't wait to upgrade, because the 3GS can still do everything (except for Facetime) with very decent performance.

Honestly, I expect the same thing to happen with the iPhone 5. It's going to give developers a huge boost in power to really improve their apps/games. The difference this time though is that they have a huge head start because of the iPad 2 being out for 5+ months first. And it will also give Apple the ability to update iOS with things like widgets, better notification, etc...

So no, the iPhone 5 may not have all the sexy little upgrades (although there is still time for Apple to add NFC or 4G if they don't actually start manufacturing until August), but it's going to give a boost that will be very noticeable to those without it. Don't be surprised if Apple adds things like widgets to iOS, which don't run nearly as well on the iPhone 4 as they do on the iPhone 5.

The 3GS revolutionized mobile gaming on the mobile phone, not the iPhone 3G or iPhone 4. It was the 3GS that really vaulted the app store into what it is today because it was the first iPhone that could truly handle the quality of apps we enjoy today. And don't be surprised if the iPhone 5 does it again.

 

[chris975d]

To me, I consider the iPhone 4 to have added the little things that the iPhone lacked, in addition to also adding an amazing screen.

When the iPhone 3GS came out, it quickly caused app developers to update/create new apps (most noticeably games) to take advantage of the significant increase in processing power that the 3GS gave. That in turn caused the 3G users to be left behind because their phones simply couldn't handle the requirements of those games. It was just a crappy experience. That was especially noticeable when Apple itself came out with iOS 4, which made the iPhone 3G almost impossible to use, it was just so slow (even with the updated iOS 4 that was supposed to help 3G users). Fortunately most of those 3G users were eligible to upgrade to the iPhone 4 by then.

I think the 3G was still a very usable phone when the iPhone 3GS came out because it took a decent amount of time for the developers to have enough apps out there that took advantage of the increased power, but in the coming months before the iPhone 4 came out, I saw a lot of 3G users complaining about how they couldn't wait for the iPhone 4 to come out because they were really noticing the slowness of their 3G. I haven't seen any 3GS users complaining that they just can't wait to upgrade, because the 3GS can still do everything (except for Facetime) with very decent performance.

Honestly, I expect the same thing to happen with the iPhone 5. It's going to give developers a huge boost in power to really improve their apps/games. The difference this time though is that they have a huge head start because of the iPad 2 being out for 5+ months first. And it will also give Apple the ability to update iOS with things like widgets, better notification, etc...

So no, the iPhone 5 may not have all the sexy little upgrades (although there is still time for Apple to add NFC or 4G if they don't actually start manufacturing until August), but it's going to give a boost that will be very noticeable to those without it.

The 3GS revolutionized mobile gaming on the mobile phone, not the iPhone 3G or iPhone 4. It was the 3GS that really vaulted the app store into what it is today because it was the first iPhone that could truly handle the quality of apps we enjoy today. And don't be surprised if the iPhone 5 does it again.

This is pretty much how I feel (as evidenced in my above post where I quoted you). The only difference in my way of thinking is that even if the iPhone 5 makes the rumored huge upgrade (in terms of raw power), we might not see the true benefit of this power in apps for some time. App/game developers are going to want to build apps that cater to the largest number of potential customers, and even after the launch of the iPhone 5 (with the dual core CPU/GPU), the vast majority of iPhone owners will be using single core devices with the older CPU/GPU...iPhone 3GS, iPhone 4, and iPad 1 owners who haven't or can't (due to still being in contract) upgrade. I'm sure there will be record numbers of iPhone 5 phones sold, but I'll still bet that the total number of dual core iPhones is less than single core iPhones until at least late next year. So app developers will write/code apps to still be able to run acceptably on those devices, and not harness all the power that the dual core iPhones will have. They (app developers) would be limiting their potential revenue by writing apps that can only run optimally on the dual core iDevices, as they won't outnumber single core iDevices for quite some time.

 

[rman726]

This is pretty much how I feel (as evidenced in my above post where I quoted you). The only difference in my way of thinking is that even if the iPhone 5 makes the rumored huge upgrade (in terms of raw power), we might not see the true benefit of this power in apps for some time. App/game developers are going to want to build apps that cater to the largest number of potential customers, and even after the launch of the iPhone 5 (with the dual core CPU/GPU), the vast majority of iPhone owners will be using single core devices with the older CPU/GPU...iPhone 3GS, iPhone 4, and iPad 1 owners who haven't or can't (due to still being in contract) upgrade. I'm sure there will be record numbers of iPhone 5 phones sold, but I'll still bet that the total number of dual core iPhones is less than single core iPhones until at least late next year. So app developers will write/code apps to still be able to run acceptably on those devices, and not harness all the power that the dual core iPhones will have. They (app developers) would be limiting their potential revenue by writing apps that can only run optimally on the dual core iDevices, as they won't outnumber single core iDevices for quite some time.

I definitely agree that they won't completely push the iPad/iPhone 4 users to the curb. But I do think we'll start seeing some apps and games that come out that will take advantage of the hardware. They will still run on the older devices, but they will take a little longer to start the games, and the load screens will become a bit longer on those games. I think it'll be pretty similar to how the iPhone 3G -> 3GS conversion took place. They will be alright at first, but more and more games will begin to drift onto the app store that will be quite a bit slower on the iPhone 4. The one thing I would worry about though is that it may take a little less time this time around, with a device utilizing the A5 chip already being out for a decent amount of time.

Also, we will likely see many more apps like Real Racing 2 coming out, which support the iPhone 5 being the controller for a game on the TV. The games will still run on the iPhone 4, but they won't have those types of features. And that is just one feature we'll likely see a lot more of. I expect to see quite a few more little features that the developers come up with that will require the dual-core A5. The apps and games will run on the older devices, but you won't get to have the full experience.

I just think that as the iPhone 6 release date approaches, there are going to be a whole lot of iPhone 4 users who can't wait to get their upgrade because their phone just won't be able to handle everything. Unlike the iPhone 3GS, which can still handle every app (except front-camera apps) quite well. Do iPhone 3GS users want an upgrade? Of course, everyone wants an upgrade, even iPhone 4 users. But I think they don't want one as badly. And that is what I consider to be a major upgrade. When your phone is upgraded to be more future proof, that is a quality upgrade.