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'iPhone 5' to Support 21 Mbps HSPA+ '4G' Technology

Menel said:
The professionals in the industry disagree with you.

The standards body that ratifies the standards, the telecom carriers, the handset manufacturers. Just know that you are sitting ignorant and solitary in your delusional state.
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The change only happened because of pressure from AT&T and T-Mobile. Before those 2 got involved HSPA+ was still 3G/ 3.5G. They pushed for 4G to be greatly reduced what it was called. They pushed to have what is defined as 4G a heck of a lot lower than what it was before.

Heck only T-Mobile USA and AT&T are the only companies in the world call HSPA+ 4G.
 
3G/3.5G/4G are meaningless terms.

If AT&T can offer 21Mbps using a 3.5G standard (just speculating here...) while Verizon only offers 15Mbps down using the supposedly 4G LTE standard then how is it I should view the 4G solution as "better"?

Regardless of what LTE is theoretically capable of, Verizon is rolling it out using two 10MHz frequencies in FDD configuration. One for up and one for down. And speculation is they are only going to get about 15Mbps per 10MHz of spectrum (see http://www.rysavy.com/Articles/2010_02_Rysavy_Mobile_Broadband_Capacity_Constraints.pdf). Verizon admits as much on their own site (http://aboutus.vzw.com/rural/Advantages.html).

Given how the terms are being corrupted by the carriers I wouldn't personally get too caught up how many "G"s something is. Just compare the expected speeds.
 
It has been already told but... HSPA+ IS NOT 4G, it is called 3,9G. LTE will be the real 4G tech.
 
Actarus said:
It has been already told but... HSPA+ IS NOT 4G, it is called 3,9G. LTE will be the real 4G tech.
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Verizon's LTE network supports speeds of 5-12 Mbps. LTE is considered 4G.

WiMax offers even slower speeds than HSPA+ but is still considered 4G.

HSPA+ exceeds WiMax and matches Verizon's LTE network. HSPA+ offers 4G speeds. Therefore, HSPA+ is 4G.

Deal with it. Accept it. Embrace it.
 
Ammo said:
Verizon's LTE network supports speeds of 5-12 Mbps. LTE is considered 4G.

WiMax offers even slower speeds than HSPA+ but is still considered 4G.

HSPA+ exceeds WiMax and matches Verizon's LTE network. HSPA+ offers 4G speeds. Therefore, HSPA+ is 4G.

Deal with it. Accept it. Embrace it.
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4G is not about speed. 4G is IP-based mobile telephony.

Anything else is marketing and pandering.
 
HSPA+ is not 3.5G

HSPA is 3.5G, HSPA+ you could say is 3.9G.

But if HSPA is faster then most 4G networks, then some networks are seriously telling porkys that 4G is sooo "Faster then the others"
 
cube said:
4G is not about speed. 4G is IP-based mobile telephony.

Anything else is marketing and pandering.
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Technically, some people argue that LTE isn't even 4G. LTE Advanced will be all IP based and that will be 4G.
 
Paisan3466 said:
Technically, some people argue that LTE isn't even 4G. LTE Advanced will be all IP based and that will be 4G.
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Sigh...

The point was that 4G is a meaningless term and should be abandoned since it officially applies to, and is being used to apply to HSPA+, WIMAX, and LTE.

3GPP Releases are better indicators of the level of technology.
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/3GPP#Standards

Code: 
Release 98 	1999 Q1 	GSM Features, AMR, EDGE, GPRS for PCS1900
Release 99 	2000 Q1 	Specified the first UMTS 3G networks, incorporating a CDMA air interface[7]
Release 4 	2001 Q2 	Originally called the Release 2000 - added features including an all-IP Core Network[8]
Release 5 	2002 Q1 	Introduced IMS and HSDPA[9]
Release 6 	2004 Q4 	Integrated operation with Wireless LAN networks and adds HSUPA, MBMS, enhancements to IMS such as Push to Talk over Cellular (PoC), GAN[10]
Release 7 	2007 Q4 	Focuses on decreasing latency, improvements to QoS and real-time applications such as VoIP.[11] This specification also focus on HSPA+ (High Speed Packet Access Evolution), SIM high-speed protocol and contactless front-end interface (Near Field Communication enabling operators to deliver contactless services like Mobile Payments), EDGE Evolution.
Release 8 	2008 Q4 	First LTE release. All-IP Network (SAE). New OFDMA, FDE and MIMO based radio interface, not backwards compatible with previous CDMA interfaces. Dual-Cell HSDPA.
Release 9 	2009 Q4 	SAES Enhancements, WiMAX and LTE/UMTS Interoperability. Dual-Cell HSDPA with MIMO, Dual-Cell HSUPA.
Release 10 	2011 Q1 	LTE Advanced fulfilling IMT Advanced 4G requirements. Backwards compatible with release 8 (LTE). Multi-Cell HSDPA (4 carriers).
Release 11 	Planned to 2012 Q3 	Advanced IP Interconnection of Services. Service layer interconnection between national operators/carriers as well as third party application providers. Content still open (as of April 2011).
 
The avg consumer is so easily dubbed and confused. That's why this crap happens.

None of the carriers are using the full capabilty of the "4G" speeds as their stupid networks are not being designed properly to optimize this as their is race to say we have have X and y.

The broadband cellular networks clearly have hug potential for speed and data volume. Eventually I would be surprised if everything becomes cellular broadband given the coverage and access potential.

This require real forward thinking. Also, I dont believe at this point data hogs will exist. Gimmick to get increased revenues etc.

I just wish the carrier would post clear speeds. It looks like the ATT solution will be faster than the verizon solution who cares whether its LTE, HSPA+ 4G.

Its all BS as they are bastardized and hybrid tech. crap. Its about Speed and how much data it can handle.
 
How about this... ;)

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HSPA+ is ipv4
we are currently doing some 20mbps and 50mbps configuration. it depends on the location.

i am a contractor for T-Mobile doing HSPA+ in philadelphia market.
 
wutang61 said:
ill never leave att. almost 15years into a contract now.
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I don't think anyone should be so loyal to a service. It stunts growth. Who cares what company you get your service from? cost + reception + speed = the service I will buy.

Right now in Chicago I am almost always without service on the Metra train IN the city. That's with AT&T on a 3GS.
 
b_scott said:
I don't think anyone should be so loyal to a service. It stunts growth. Who cares what company you get your service from? cost + reception + speed = the service I will buy.

Right now in Chicago I am almost always without service on the Metra train IN the city. That's with AT&T on a 3GS.
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We must be on the same train because it is the exact same way for me. Same goes when I'm in my office or walking down the street near my office. I never get a signal. It's pathetic. (Oh did I mention I also don't get service in my house)? Unreal.
 
b_scott said:
I don't think anyone should be so loyal to a service. It stunts growth. Who cares what company you get your service from? cost + reception + speed = the service I will buy.

Right now in Chicago I am almost always without service on the Metra train IN the city. That's with AT&T on a 3GS.
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I came to AT&T from Sprint for the iPhone in 2007. Since then, I realized that all carriers were the same. I have experienced dropped calls from all carriers including Verizon from when I had OnStar in my Chevy back in 2008.

I got my first cell phone back in 1993 and even then when everything was analog, dropped calls were common just as they are now.
 
b_scott said:
I don't think anyone should be so loyal to a service. It stunts growth. Who cares what company you get your service from? cost + reception + speed = the service I will buy.

Right now in Chicago I am almost always without service on the Metra train IN the city. That's with AT&T on a 3GS.
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Totally. Hspa+ on ATT's network is like putting a corvette engine in a Ford Pinto. I know about Chicago too. I had an iPhone on ATT there. It is as crappy as it is where I live in CO now.
 
highdefjunkie said:
We must be on the same train because it is the exact same way for me. Same goes when I'm in my office or walking down the street near my office. I never get a signal. It's pathetic. (Oh did I mention I also don't get service in my house)? Unreal.
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ditto. I take the Union Pacific North line, and only the last two stops. All the way into work from there I have almost no service. Forget trying to stream anything.

I'm looking forward to having VZW and Sprint options when I get the 5.
 
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