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Ah I see. Thanks. That seems dumb though. I mean if the info being stored there is in the range of gigabytes, then won't it take ages to download?

Yeah that's apple's thinking everyone has a high speed internet connection at home so they can just stream stuff ie. new apple tv lacking any significant storage to store video files etc apple just wants you to rent/stream them and not store them.
 
So... Why have 2 different posters mentioned the data center? What am I missing? That has nothing to do with this.

The article says the info would come from the phone, not from the 'net. If it needed the data center to work, why would the iPhone be part of this story? You wouldn't even need one.

Small bits of data like passwords, bookmarks, and playlists are stored on your phone. The actual programs music and movies are stored in the cloud.

This all sounds way cool, but we'd need a Gbps Internet connection to really make it smooth.
 
Idk about you but my entire Imac files would not fit on a 32 gig iphone, so apple would need a data center store the rest of your files that would be synced with or accessed via the computer you are using away from home.

But 'Back to your Mac' is already a part of Mobile Me. You can currently do that from anywhere if you want all your files.

This new thing would be different...a way to bring up your desktop, bookmarks, and calendar on the local machine without having to dial home. You'd have your basic stuff but not all your large files. All that stuff would fit on a phone.

You can always dial home to get them if you need them, but if your home computer is off or you don't have 'net access this would be a great way to get the simple things.

That's why I don't get the 'data center' comments. Either this new tech doesn't dial home or, if it does, it takes advantage of 'Back to my Mac' that already works without the data center...there's no need for one. It's just transferring stuff in real-time. Nothing is stored permanently on an Apple server anywhere for that. It needs bandwidth, not storage space.

(I currently use Back to My Mac and dropbox to get files I need remotely...it's not "real time" as in "I'm using my home computer" but it is real time in the sense that I can get a file within a minute. This would likely just be a streamlined version of that.)
 
Great...another security cockup waiting to happen!

What happens when your iPhone gets stolen?

It's no worse than your laptop being stolen. Probably better:

Presumably, the data stored on the phone is encrypted and all the data (whether on phone or remotely accessed) is protected by a password. That's better than what most lappies are set uo to do.
 
It does seem like a security challenge. Why not use NFC to start my car so a thief can drive it to my house, unlock my door, and then just steal my Mac!
 
This would be kinda cool in a school setting. We tried using USB flash drive at work for user accounts. Didn't work well. Ejecting it properly, plus we use Macs @ work & many people had PCs at home so they couldn't use the flash drives at home.

My only concern about this in a lab setting would be since there are multiple computers and multiple iPhones, how would your computer know which iPhone to use?

Plus, with the chance of theft/loss, especially scary!
 
I don’t care if it uses NFC or WiFi or what, but some form of the long-rumored “home on iPod” functionality would be a neat feature!

(I used to keep a copy of my Mac on my iPod Photo—OS and all—which I could then use to boot other people’s Macs, creating my own homebrew version of this. Very useful when I didn’t want to lug a laptop.)

This also reminded me of that "Home on iPod" feature that Apple pulled at the last minute from their OSX Panther update. The shift from hard rive to flash in the iPod line-up probably killed this feature back then. I can see it finally coming out as a cloud base service with the iPhone simply serving as a "key".

Here is the original description of the feature from Apple site before it was pulled.

Home away from home

Ever thought you could carry your home in the palm of your hands or in your pocket? You can. Panther's Home on iPod feature lets you store your home directory - files, folders, apps - on your iPod (or any FireWire hard drive) and take it with you wherever you go. When you find yourself near a Panther-equipped Mac, just plug in the iPod, log in, and you're "home," no matter where you happen to be. And when you return to your home computer, you can synchronize any changes you've made to your files by using File Sync, which automatically updates offline changes to your home directory.

 
Great...another security cockup waiting to happen!

What happens when your iPhone gets stolen?

Remote wipe with MobileMe. Problem solved. :apple: thinks of everything, come on now...and im sure even with out the use of MobileMe there will be something built in for the iPhone users that dont have a MobileMe account. None issue :D
 
You already have a iphone/itouch already so why would apple make you carry something else around when you could just use your existing device and have another reason to purchase that device over a competitors device that cant do this.

Yes, but I also carry a wallet. I too am a little but anxious about yet another technology that hackers and scammers can attemt to stell data.

Next we'll be told we need sheild cases to protect our data.
 
Ah I see. Thanks. That seems dumb though. I mean if the info being stored there is in the range of gigabytes, then won't it take ages to download?

Ideally, the big stuff would be syncronized -- not necessarilty downloaded.
E.g., if a compatible version of iWork happens to already be installed on the computer you are using, it would not need to download it to open a pages document.

For files that aren't on the Mac you're using, it would hopefully cache them in some secure way, so it would only need to download them the first time and then only if they change.

So if you were to bounce around between the same set of Macs, it might be slow at first but then speed up as everything you tend to use gets cached.

Of course if you have large documents that change frequently it won't work well even with caching. So this might now work for, e.g., editing iMovies.

I'm a bit worried about how they'll handle security. Hopefully any cached documents will be encrypted in a secure way... Still I wouldn't use this on a "strange" or public mac.
 
Remote wipe with MobileMe. Problem solved. :apple: thinks of everything, come on now...and im sure even with out the use of MobileMe there will be something built in for the iPhone users that dont have a MobileMe account. None issue :D

Remote wipe is pointless unless you are able to:

1. Find an internet connected device
2. Connect to me.com
3. Login
4. Browse to the wipe page
5. Fill our countless 'are you sure' forms

All within a second or two of it being stolen.

Whats the point wiping the device 1hour+ after its been stolen? By then the damage has been done.
 
the future

when this works -- i mean really works, totally secure, encrypted -- fast and reliable, this will be EXCELLENT.

this is the future of computer/human interaction. take your portable device with you everywhere and have your cloud follow you from place to place so all your emails, docs, etc etc, are avail at any desktop, kiosk, train, plane, hotel, pop... great.
 
Ah I see. Thanks. That seems dumb though. I mean if the info being stored there is in the range of gigabytes, then won't it take ages to download?

This is where LTE and other technologies come into the game. High Speed mobile Internet that is not there TODAY, but that WILL be everywhere in two to five years. They're currently testing LTE with 50 - in words: fifty - Mbit/s here in Germany. This is just the beginning, and it already has wireless LAN speed. I think it's rather obvious that we can expect sufficient mobile bandwidth worldwide in a few years. Apple is not developing technology for today's needs, they have a clear vision and focus and want to own tomorrow's market.

My bet is that future Apple devices will only have small, but fast local storage and a high speed mobile connection to those Apple data centers where you will be storing all your content. A nightmare for people who cherish their privacy, the cornerstone of Freedom and Independence.
 
Ah I see. Thanks. That seems dumb though. I mean if the info being stored there is in the range of gigabytes, then won't it take ages to download?

It seems fair to assume that you would download what you needed as you needed it, not the whole thing at once.
 
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPod; U; CPU iPhone OS 3_1_3 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/528.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0 Mobile/7E18 Safari/528.16)

Why can't Apple just add USB booting as a feature in their Macs and let USB drives and iPhones work as bootable devices?
 
I like the concept in theory, but unless iPhone/iPod Touch security gets a significant upgrade there's no way I'd use this.

I personally would prefer any personal info reside on an (security enhanced) iPod Touch versus it being out in the cloud - cloud security with regard to apps isn't really there yet.

Ideally data on the iPod or on the "cloud" servers would be encrypted with a pass phrase known only to me (maybe some sort of public/private keypair required for access - if I'm holding the private key). Doing that, and passing all communcation through ssl, would probably be adequate.
 
Didn't Apple look for a specialist with HTTP/Streaming skills to include something reaaaaaaaalllyyyyyyyyyy, really ******** cool in OS X some months ago? Looks like the matching rumor.
 
It would be awesome to pay for things with my phone. We are almost at the day I don't have to carry a wallet.
 
I don’t care if it uses NFC or WiFi or what

If it were to use protocols other than speed-pass as well, such as bluetooth or wifi, it would be backward compatible with all iPhones and iPads.

Speed-Pass was used by Mobil in socal to introduce the system in this market, and there are a few NFC compatible systems in other retailers as well. But if the pass acceptance stations were updated to also accept bluetooth with the same approval protocol, the range of devices and users would be 2+ orders of magnitude larger.

Rocketman
 
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