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iPhone 5C LTE?
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I agree. Perhaps not the laughing stock but my mind would be absolutely blown. IMO, it's not acceptable.
You are forgetting that China Mobile will never carry the 5C if it doesn't have LTE. If that is the case, you have to wonder why Apple would bother to create the device at all.
Which is part of the reason that I have decided I may have been wrong, I think the 5C=China, not universal, but internals to handle China's LTE network and other countries that have that one as well, as it is not compatible with current iPhone 5 (not in this list: http://www.apple.com/iphone/LTE/). Plus, I don't see Apple dumbing the iPhone down in the US and going back to plastic. I'm guessing the plastic back for 5C is for china specific cell reception & antenna. Remember that the original iPhone was mostly aluminum back, no 3G, they could not get 3G to work with the aluminum back so went to plastic (iPhone 3G/3GS) until they figured out how to get the antenna to work on the outside (iPhone 4). Perhaps, in order to meet China mobile's requirements, Apple has to put the antenna inside a plastic shell until they can come up with a better design?
5S will be announced 10th at US event, nothing mentioned of 5C.
5C will be announced 11th at China event.
5C: C=China
5S: S=Security (enhanced security w/fingerprint sensor)
but, we shall see this week
5C is COLORS. The invite for the American event shows the colors. The 5C needs to be sold in the European market as well in order for Apple to really justify creating the device. There is no reason to believe the 5C will not be sold every where.
Maybe the colors aspect of it is just a side part. It might very well be a china specific model intended for Chinese use , however I don't think it would make business sense to make a china only iPhone. They are kind of missing out on their home market.
While I hope 32GB is an option my guess is 8GB for the base with 16GB being the option.
Can't see happening. But yes, the 5C needs to have an option for 32GB. But no way would Apple offer 8GB again.
While I certainly hope you are right for the $0/$450 I can see it going either way. Though since I posted it would be a hard sell for 8GB at $450 these days. Only thing that makes me question it is how greedy Apple is when it comes to memory. 32GB should have been standard with the 5.
Guys, I honestly think it's much more simple than all of you think. First, read this:
5C: 16 GB, A6, LTE, $450/$0
5: 16 GB, A6, LTE, $550/$99
5S: 32 GB, A7, LTE, $650/$199 (64 GB and 128 GB will each charge an additional $100)
Apple likes simple pricing and this is simple. Also, it makes a lot of sense imo.
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- The 'internals' that Apple will need in China is just a chip that needs to provide support for TD-SCDMA and corresponding LTE for China Mobile. Qualcomm has such a chip.
- The plastic back is not necessary at all. You said it yourself, the iPhone 4 solved this!
- I do see Apple dumbing down the iPhone 5 because they want to get rid of old resolutions and connectors worldwide, without losing lower price points. Thus, they NEED an iPhone 5 at $0. The only way to do this without hurting margins is to make a plastic iPhone.
You reason like the US would not care for cheap iPhones, but even in the US the 4/4S have taken a much higher share of sales than the 3GS/4 did a year ago. Cheaper iPhones are becoming more popular every day, even in the US! Apple needs a cheap iPhone everywere, in the US, Europa, China, the rest of Asia, everywhere.
Because of this, I will think Apple will simply do this:
5C: 16 GB, A6, LTE, $450/$0
5: 16 GB, A6, LTE, $550/$99
5S: 32 GB, A7, LTE, $650/$199 (64 GB and 128 GB will each charge an additional $100)
Apple likes simple pricing and this is simple. Also, it makes a lot of sense imo.
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Your logic is flawed.Which is part of the reason that I have decided I may have been wrong, I think the 5C=China, not universal, but internals to handle China's LTE network and other countries that have that one as well, as it is not compatible with current iPhone 5 (not in this list: http://www.apple.com/iphone/LTE/). Plus, I don't see Apple dumbing the iPhone down in the US and going back to plastic. I'm guessing the plastic back for 5C is for china specific cell reception & antenna. Remember that the original iPhone was mostly aluminum back, no 3G, they could not get 3G to work with the aluminum back so went to plastic (iPhone 3G/3GS) until they figured out how to get the antenna to work on the outside (iPhone 4). Perhaps, in order to meet China mobile's requirements, Apple has to put the antenna inside a plastic shell until they can come up with a better design?
5S will be announced 10th at US event, nothing mentioned of 5C.
5C will be announced 11th at China event.
5C: C=China
5S: S=Security (enhanced security w/fingerprint sensor)
but, we shall see this week
- The 'internals' that Apple will need in China is just a chip that needs to provide support for TD-SCDMA and corresponding LTE for China Mobile. Qualcomm has such a chip.
- The plastic back is not necessary at all. You said it yourself, the iPhone 4 solved this!
- I do see Apple dumbing down the iPhone 5 because they want to get rid of old resolutions and connectors worldwide, without losing lower price points. Thus, they NEED an iPhone 5 at $0. The only way to do this without hurting margins is to make a plastic iPhone.
You reason like the US would not care for cheap iPhones, but even in the US the 4/4S have taken a much higher share of sales than the 3GS/4 did a year ago. Cheaper iPhones are becoming more popular every day, even in the US! Apple needs a cheap iPhone everywere, in the US, Europa, China, the rest of Asia, everywhere.
Good point, it is very true that the cheap iPhones are being bought more today than the flagship. However I don't think that the 5 will be the low range phone, the 5C should be because of its plastic backing. Now if the 5 ends up becoming the lowest one then that would be great and I might just get one but I highly doubt that will be the case.
Yes, but the 4/4S do not have LTE, yet still sell quite a few of them. And I do think Apple will get rid of 30-pin connector devices (all of them) by end of year. That was my previous point, the one I said I may have been wrong about (except I don't think it will be $0 on contract, but $49 on contract).
If qualcomm makes this universal chip, ok, but, it has to be low-power & efficient enough to not drain the battery. Battery life is important to Apple, poor battery life was the reason for the first delay of the LTE iPhone.
As far as the plastic back goes...no, I don't think Apple is doing a plastic back to be cheaper. The original iPhone was aluminum, but they couldn't get 3G to work with it, made the next iPhone plastic UNTIL they found a way to get the antenna on the outside. The China mobile (and some other countries) standards are different and this may be the reason for the plastic back, not to cheapen it, but because the chip and antenna required won't work with an aluminum back, antenna may need to be changed, and Apple is not going to miss the big opportunity that is opening up for smart phones in those countries. ...How may smart phones on the market today have aluminum backs and the antenna on the outside? I don't think it's easy to accomplish.
IDK anymore.
Your lineup you list is what I was saying, but, now I am not so sure. Apple could have done the 5C as a low-cost base phone to eliminate 30-pin connector phones, AND have all iPhones with A6 or better processor that can handle iOS 7 fully. It would take a brand new universal low-power chip to have all countries/carriers LTE/GSM/CDMA in it, but, I just don't know about this. I think Apple is more focused on getting into China and other markets that have a different LTE standard, and the advancements with the 5S, than to make a new low-cost US iPhone.
But, we shall know in less than 24 hours.
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Apple still sells a lot of iPhone 4's & 4S's...4 is only available in 8GB, 4S only in 16GB.
The 5C, especially w/6 colors, it will be 16GB only. Want 32GB? Get the 5S. (5S will be 32/64/128, IMO)
I think the 5C gets LTE.
No LTE-A this year for either the 5C or the 5S.
Pricing:
iPhone 5C 16 GB = Free on-contract/$450 off-contract
iPhone 5C 32 GB = $99 on-contract/$550 off-contract
iPhone 5S 32 GB = $199 on/$650 off
iPhone 5S 64 GB = $299 on/$750 off
iPhone 5S 128 GB = $399 on/$850 off
No past iPhone models being sold.
No LTE-A this year for either the 5C or the 5S.
Pricing:
iPhone 5C 16 GB = Free on-contract/$450 off-contract
iPhone 5C 32 GB = $99 on-contract/$550 off-contract
iPhone 5S 32 GB = $199 on/$650 off
iPhone 5S 64 GB = $299 on/$750 off
iPhone 5S 128 GB = $399 on/$850 off
No past iPhone models being sold.
Personally, I think that it would be borderline DOA if the phone arrived without LTE. Heck, I personally think that Apple will pull the plug on the iPhone 4 AND iPhone 4S. That way they will have the entry 5C, mid tier 5 and high end 5S. This makes sure that every new iPhone sold will be guaranteed to have 3 things: A dual core Processor(not that big of a deal), LTE and the Lightning port.
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Personally, I would replaced the $99 iPhone 5C 32GB with the iPhone 5 16GB. But that is just me. Also, I think we might see LTE-A sneak into the 5S, but it doesn't matter either way because that is just something that can be used in a "Spec-off" between phones as the technology is not live yet. (In the US at least, maybe in Japan it is?)
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Personally, I would replaced the $99 iPhone 5C 32GB with the iPhone 5 16GB. But that is just me. Also, I think we might see LTE-A sneak into the 5S, but it doesn't matter either way because that is just something that can be used in a "Spec-off" between phones as the technology is not live yet. (In the US at least, maybe in Japan it is?)
Reason I don't see the 5 sticking around is because the 5C will have specs, extremely similar to it.
Also, the guys at Anandtech have somewhat confirmed we won't be seeing the newer Qualcomm chip and the connectors on the leaked 5S components fit the 5's current chip - which is only LTE.
Congrats on calling that one haha. That was a surprise for me when I was watching the keynote
I was wrong
Keeping the 4S? This will be the last 30-pin connector idevice to linger on.
iPhone 4S 8GB only $0/contract (8GB? me wrong again downsized)
iPhone 5c 16/32GB 5 colors $99/199 on contract replaces iPhone 5 (two memory configs!) Pricing here makes sense as the iPhone 5, if kept, would have been 16GB for $99 on contract, and 5c is supposedly same innards, but, new LTE cell chips.
iPhone 5s 16/32/64GB 3 colors $199/299/399 on contract. I'm surprised, especially with new camera upgrades, iphoto & imovie free, 16GB won't be enough room for photos, vids & editing them. I thought for sure they would drop 16, add 128, ...scratching my head on this. I guess NAND memory is not cheap, yet, or maybe it has to do with new 64bit architecture?
So, looks like they share the same (I assume modular) LTE cell chip sets in 5c & 5s, upgraded from iPhone 5, covers more countries & carriers, but, still takes 4 models to do so (iPhone 5 used 3) http://www.apple.com/iphone/LTE/
...looking forward to ifixit getting their hands on these new iPhones and gutting them out for us
Keeping the 4S? This will be the last 30-pin connector idevice to linger on.
iPhone 4S 8GB only $0/contract (8GB? me wrong again
downsized)iPhone 5c 16/32GB 5 colors $99/199 on contract replaces iPhone 5
(two memory configs!) Pricing here makes sense as the iPhone 5, if kept, would have been 16GB for $99 on contract, and 5c is supposedly same innards, but, new LTE cell chips.iPhone 5s 16/32/64GB 3 colors $199/299/399 on contract. I'm surprised, especially with new camera upgrades, iphoto & imovie free, 16GB won't be enough room for photos, vids & editing them. I thought for sure they would drop 16, add 128, ...scratching my head on this.
I guess NAND memory is not cheap, yet, or maybe it has to do with new 64bit architecture?So, looks like they share the same (I assume modular) LTE cell chip sets in 5c & 5s, upgraded from iPhone 5, covers more countries & carriers, but, still takes 4 models to do so (iPhone 5 used 3) http://www.apple.com/iphone/LTE/
...looking forward to ifixit getting their hands on these new iPhones and gutting them out for us