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I think the reason why they won't do 5S preorders is because they want long lines. I don't think the supply will be any more constrained than previous models. They want people to see huge lines and think it's a huge deal.
 
I think the reason why they won't do 5S preorders is because they want long lines. I don't think the supply will be any more constrained than previous models. They want people to see huge lines and think it's a huge deal.

I think so as well,
In the grand scheme of things, it almost feels like the Tim Cook era is full of facade and less of actually development.

Putting the internals of an iPhone 5 inside a plastic shell while taking the shell of the iPhone 5 and inserting a slightly improved core.

Setting out "Pre-orders" for a device which is weak and over priced yet for the one which is deserving, no such preorders.

shelling out dividends in order to buy respect, thats pathetic.
 
$79 5C $189 5S at WalMart

Walmart is cutting prices on iPhone 5C $79 and 5S $189 (both on plan). I already know I am going to purchase the 5C, and I think I'm going to go ahead and pre-order it.

Would there be any reason to not order from WalMart? Are they reliable? My other choices would be to order from Verizon or Apple.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57602574-37/walmart-to-sell-iphone-5c-for-$79-iphone-5s-for-$189/
 
As far as 5C is concerned, some people simply don't get it.

For the first time, Apple gives consumers a choice regarding buying a new phone (they have two iPad models and many iPods), and that's a progress! (I know that's not enough - I wanted a bigger phone badly).

It seems lots of guys don't like the 5C, but the targeted consumers of Apple may not be you; women, teenagers and folks overseas in some countries may love the 5C (to what extent still remains to be seen). I'll buy one for my kid. Chances are we could be totally surprised by how popular the 5C will eventually become.
 
As far as 5C is concerned, some people simply don't get it.

For the first time, Apple gives consumers a choice regarding buying a new phone (they have two iPad models and many iPods), and that's a progress! (I know that's not enough - I wanted a bigger phone badly).

It seems lots of guys don't like the 5C, but the targeted consumers of Apple may not be you; women, teenagers and folks overseas in some countries may love the 5C (to what extent still remains to be seen). I'll buy one for my kid. Chances are we could be totally surprised by how popular the 5C will eventually become.

I completely disagree. People buy iPhones inorder to appear a part of the affluent class. Anyone who wants to buy an iPhone would want the Metal/Aluminum/Glass. Same logic applies in other countries, people around the world want to buy the iPhone that showcases its luxury not just for iOS7.

Now when given the option of buying iOS7 (5c) for 599$ or an android top end device (HTC One X/ Samsung S4), I think folks will make the simple choice of going with Android's top end line instead of a yellow plastic apple phone which is not deserving of the Apple Brand.
 
Yes but you must have not kept track of analyst's projections that the 5c/5s announcement and opening up of a huge market segment in China was supposed to make the stock skyrocket to previous record levels.

So the fact that this is 'on par' with other announcements was unexpected and yes, a disappointment on Wall Street.

Analyst are idiots, they just make up **** these days instead of actually analyzing anything. I'm sure the Janitor could make just as good conjectures as the analysts at a given firm.
 
I completely disagree. People buy iPhones inorder to appear a part of the affluent class. Anyone who wants to buy an iPhone would want the Metal/Aluminum/Glass. Same logic applies in other countries, people around the world want to buy the iPhone that showcases its luxury not just for iOS7.

Now when given the option of buying iOS7 (5c) for 599$ or an android top end device (HTC One X/ Samsung S4), I think folks will make the simple choice of going with Android's top end line instead of a yellow plastic apple phone which is not deserving of the Apple Brand.

I bought iPhone, because it was better than any other phone at that moment. I didn't buy it to belong to some kind of aryan brotherhood.
 
Man, I really want a 5C (green or blue) with the tech of the 5S.

I can't be the only one, can I?
 
Man, I really want a 5C (green or blue) with the tech of the 5S.

I can't be the only one, can I?

If they can make gold and space grey they can ake it blue or green or orange or Zune brown :D

My first iPhone was 4S and i'm not downgrading to plastic.
 
I bought iPhone, because it was better than any other phone at that moment. I didn't buy it to belong to some kind of aryan brotherhood.

So would you buy an iPhone 5C when there is an option for 5S?
My point was to counter this notion all asians love colored phones so the iPhone 5C would be a Huge Hit across the globe though it's priced higher.
 
I think the reason why they won't do 5S preorders is because they want long lines. I don't think the supply will be any more constrained than previous models. They want people to see huge lines and think it's a huge deal.

I don't think Apple will hold 5S to play gimmicks. They probably have already produced millions of 5C, but a much smaller number of 5S. They simply do not have enough 5S to let you pre-order.
 
I completely disagree. People buy iPhones inorder to appear a part of the affluent class. Anyone who wants to buy an iPhone would want the Metal/Aluminum/Glass. Same logic applies in other countries, people around the world want to buy the iPhone that showcases its luxury not just for iOS7.

Now when given the option of buying iOS7 (5c) for 599$ or an android top end device (HTC One X/ Samsung S4), I think folks will make the simple choice of going with Android's top end line instead of a yellow plastic apple phone which is not deserving of the Apple Brand.

I read this sentiment a lot but it seems wildly illogical.

iPhones aren't significantly more expensive than other flagship smart phones. And the real cost of smart phones is with the service. So how could an iPhone make you look more affluent than someone using, e.g., a Galaxy S4? I really don't think you understand why people by iPhones.

Oh, and personally, I prefer the look of the 5C plastic phones over the 5S -- a lot more vibrant and fun (I'd want to see and hold one in person before buying though). Plastic doesn't have to be cheap.
 
People who are so status conscious can buy 5S; I don't see a problem here. Others who don't care about the metal/glass, can buy the 5C.

I completely disagree. People buy iPhones inorder to appear a part of the affluent class. Anyone who wants to buy an iPhone would want the Metal/Aluminum/Glass. Same logic applies in other countries, people around the world want to buy the iPhone that showcases its luxury not just for iOS7..
 
No pre-orders on the 5S has certainly delayed my purchase and made me think about the 5C some more .. might even wait for the 6.

I'm not going to be queue fodder for them when there's no logistical reason not to do pre-orders like every other time.

Not even explaining why or ignoring the option also smacks of arrogance IMO.
 
So would you buy an iPhone 5C when there is an option for 5S?
My point was to counter this notion all asians love colored phones so the iPhone 5C would be a Huge Hit across the globe though it's priced higher.

5C? No way in hell.

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I read this sentiment a lot but it seems wildly illogical.

iPhones aren't significantly more expensive than other flagship smart phones. And the real cost of smart phones is with the service. So how could an iPhone make you look more affluent than someone using, e.g., a Galaxy S4? I really don't think you understand why people by iPhones.

Oh, and personally, I prefer the look of the 5C plastic phones over the 5S -- a lot more vibrant and fun (I'd want to see and hold one in person before buying though). Plastic doesn't have to be cheap.

Plastic will always be and feel cheap compared against aluminium.
 
How do you know it's "cheap plastic construction"? Have you actually held one in your hands? I just don't understand how someone can say the construction of a device is cheap when they haven't seen it in person.

wasn't the point of the plastic to be cheaper than the aluminum casing? so when i said "cheap plastic construction" it is deliberately cheaper than the aluminum casing used in the 5 and 5S...so my original point still stands, that the 5C is NOT more cost effective than offering a previous gen iPhone, but it is of a lower build quality (again, the lower build quality being deliberate in order to reduce cost...but without actually reducing the cost)
 
They won't have them so that people will go to the :apple: store, this is all the evil plan of Cook to get more foot traffic into apple stores.

Don't know about that evil plan so much as the stores might just give a better experience.

My BF is constantly telling me tales of carriers not helping cx set up phones, refusing to exchange them even later the same day (and the apple stores can't if they want different color or size cause it is tied to retail receipt).

Not mentioning apple care. Telling cx everything is because the phone is bad and needs to be swapped when sometimes it actually is a carrier issue.

And so on.

Folks at his store wish the carriers could only carry the phones when they are in areas without an Apple store so cx don't get out through that BS.

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Steve is turning over in his grave after knowing that his “iPhone” turned to be “hon”

That to me is an odd one. Has to be a way they could get the same general result without that bit for folks to harp on.

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A stupid move by apple. The price is too much

I agree, to a point. To me it seems dumb to have kept a 4S. 5C at 8 and 16 with 5S at 32 and 64 (with a slight price drop from the history) would have made more sense
 
Are people really excited to pre order a plastic iPhone 5?

Yes. I'm one of them. If you still had a 4S, and didn't think you needed a 5S, and wanted to get a little farther into the hardware ballpark for whatever iOS is coming down the road after iOS7, you'd probably be like me and be happy to spend $200 on a 5C instead of $400 for top of 5S. I am pretty sure iOS7 is the end of the road for the 4S, so time to move up, but not quite time for me to move a whole gen, so I'll take the updated 5 in the form of the 5C. And, I'll have a lot of fun with it.

Sure I have laid out the dough for top of the line in the past, a few times. But not this time. And I love those 5C colors for a change-up. Maybe they coulda sold me a 5S if it came in funk, but it comes in "austerely yours once again" metal and glass so hey, I pass. This time.

The 200$ 5C is comparable to the 300$ 5S for starters, second the iPhone 4S will last till iOS 8. Also I find metal and glass to be much nicer, on top of that the phone is thinner and has quite a lot of differences to warrant 100$, I mean you are already paying 550$ for a year old device, why not spend a little more for a brand new one? Makes no sense to me. The 5C seemed like a good idea if it was 0$ with upgrade, but why would you take the 5 which would have been the 100$ option and make it thicker and add plastic? Just seems like apple is trying to rip you off.

I do not LIKE the look of the 5S. I want the 5C. I have a 4S. It's a big spec bump even if it's half the storage space (and I have a 32GB iPod touch to solve that issue, not minding carrying around an extra mobile in my handbag). So this time out, I pay $200 insead of usually paying $400 for the top of the line upgrade. I do not currently need the fingerprint sensor or the extra power of the A7 chip although I'm thrilled they've got 64-bit processing on board, I'll catch it with the 6 or 6S. To me this 5C is a very nice upgrade. It's circumstantial, and it's personal preference. 'Nuf said! :)

Ok, regardless you keep saying you are paying 200$ for the 5C and 400$ for the 5S in a completely oblivious way. A 200$ 5c is 32gigs and a 300$ 5S is 32Gigs.

Hello... if I got the 5S I would go for the $400 64GB one, not the 32GB one. When I get the top end, I get the largest one. I am electing to get the 32GB 5C for $200 this time around. So I am paying $200 less than I usually shell out when I upgrade. The reason I am getting the 5C is not about the money, it's that I don't like the 5S and don't require its spec right now and do like the 5C and do want the spec bump from my 4S. This upgrade from 4S to 5C, to me, is worth paying $200 plus a new contract.

Doesn't matter, we were comparing the two and you did that intentionally to make it look worse, and obviously if you can coupe with a 32 gig 5c you could deal with a 32 gig 5s....

Wow, just wow. Apple offers consumers a choice of two models this time out. My choice THIS TIME AROUND is to pay $200 less than I usually pay for an upgrade, which is usually $400 for a 64GB model, and the reason I'm paying $200 instead of $400 is because I like the 5C option better than the 5S option and they don't have a 64GB option on the 5C so I'm taking the 32GB option because I WANT THE 5C, period.

I do not want ANY model of the 5S at this time. I would skip the upgrade if there were no 5C. I would keep the 4S another year.

I need a spec bump from the 4S and going to the A6 chip is way good enough for me at this time. I do not need a spec bump to the A7 chip at this time. I do not like the appearance of the 5S models. I like the funky, spunky colors and materials of the 5C models and their goofy cases. It's a change-up from the past few cycles of iPhone physical appearance. When I tire of it, I'll take a look at what Apple is offering at that time.

Maybe I will like glass and metal again by then, maybe I will discover a need for the A7 processor by then, and maybe Apple will be offering space-age ceramics in zebra stripes by then, no cases required, who knows. I could go for that too. It's okay to like iPhones that don't look like The Man in the Grey Flannel Suit for God's sake. Doesn't mean I disrespect the existence, design or technical spec of the iPhone 5S. I just happen not to choose it because I like the 5C better. For me. For my purposes. Right now. This year.

I love the Apple ecosystem. I'm happy with what I see of iOS7. I'm getting an iPhone upgrade and new contract. My other line is eligible for upgrade too, so next year that one can pick up the next iPhone rollout if I like it. All this makes me happy. So, peace already. Long may Apple offer consumers a choice, and long may we agree to differ amicably if we pick different options. :)
 
Not to mention it will be iPhone 3G/S plasticgate all over again. iPhone can get very hot.

got news for you, polycarbonate can handle heat a hell of a lot better than a slab of milled aluminum that warps from battery heat and ginormous volume button holes that nearly obliterate any side support it once had in that area.
 
Obvious game

I think the game is obvious:

1. step: sell 5c and 5s at its current prices and milk the fan-bois.

2. step (in 1-3 months): if sales are too bad: give it a $100 discount

Same time: China: They will give them (China Mobile) this iphone 5c in latest 1-2 months to a MUCH LOWER price then the usual cut! It is so obvious! This is the ONLY way how Apple can get the 730 Million customers (!) hooked. Remember: 1st you milk the fan-bois. Then you flood the market.

My prediction: expect a tons of 5c being sold to the US from China in a few months.

Apple at best is buying time right now. The reviews of the 5c/s are at best so, so. Apple's star is falling quickly - maybe they can come up with some amazing tech for ipad /mini and such which helps them. But the NSA 5s is a no go. That is why Apple already tells everybody "that the data will be stored in the phone". People over here are laughing their asses off!

Who is going to believe that? After all, we got an international alliance of companies that did and most likely is lying to the customers and betraying them. And Apple is one of them!

Yahoo's Mayer: if you talk about it or if you resist they will put you behind bars.

This NSA scandal will cost billions of USD in damages. It is just beginning!
 
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