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Apple's pumped up saturation and contrast was always a Kodak formula for the general consumer, much the same way that Bose and Beats headphones feature overly enhanced bass (to the detriment of the mids and the highs.)
 
The problem is iPhone 5 screen still lacks some significant improvements. It's still pretty cheap looking especially when you compare it to some PC-class IPS monitors or even some good SLCD in some smartphones out there. The biggest dissapointment is backlight uniformity and laggy response time. You can see it when browsing through menus. As for the uniformity try to put a completely black wallpaper turn maximum brightness and observe the screen in a dark room. You'll most likely see color discoloration across the screen, clouding, and yellowing in some parts. It shouldn't be like that in a phone that's 650$+ unlocked.
 
Apple's pumped up saturation and contrast was always a Kodak formula for the general consumer, much the same way that Bose and Beats headphones feature overly enhanced bass (to the detriment of the mids and the highs.)

This is false as analysis showed that the iPhone 4 had too little color and too much contrast. They did not sacrifice anything for accurate color and contrast.
 
The problem is iPhone 5 screen still lacks some significant improvements. It's still pretty cheap looking especially when you compare it to some PC-class IPS monitors or even some good SLCD in some smartphones out there. The biggest dissapointment is backlight uniformity and laggy response time. You can see it when browsing through menus. It shouldn't be like that in a phone that's 650$+ unlocked.
Can I have some of whatever you're smoking? It must be some really, really good ******
 
This is false as analysis showed that the iPhone 4 had too little color and too much contrast. They did not sacrifice anything for accurate color and contrast.
It's totally useless tbh. They reviewed only one unit of each iPhone model meaning only one panel of each model. We all know Apple uses panels from several different vendors with for example contrast varying from 750-1100 (iPhone 4S). Same goes for iPhone 5. They only tested unit they got with specific panel from only one vendor. That makes such tests pretty useless to ppl who got iPhones with different screen characteristics. Sad part is you can get an iPhone with beautiful screen and the same iPhone model with crap screen depending on if it's Sharp, AUO, Samsung or LG or whatever the vendors Apple is also using.
 
Apple's pumped up saturation and contrast was always a Kodak formula for the general consumer, much the same way that Bose and Beats headphones feature overly enhanced bass (to the detriment of the mids and the highs.)

Wrong. Go read up.

It's totally useless tbh. They reviewed only one unit of each iPhone model meaning only one panel of each model. We all know Apple uses panels from several different vendors with for example contrast varying from 750-1100 (iPhone 4S). Same goes for iPhone 5. They only tested unit they got with specific panel from only one vendor. That makes such tests pretty useless to ppl who got iPhones with different screen characteristics. Sad part is you can get an iPhone with beautiful screen and the same iPhone model with crap screen depending on if it's Sharp, AUO, Samsung or LG or whatever the vendors Apple is also using.

Do you have some examples of some bad screens? Mine is great, although I haven't measured it with my colorimeter yet. However, I know what some of my best photos should look like and so far I see nothing but great results.
 
Is it significantly noticeable that apple has increased the color saturation of their retina display?


Also do you guys think that the color saturation increased was much needed?


Just a quick survey.


It is noticeable and important if you are dealing with high quality photo and video.
 
Wrong. Samsung expanded their color gamut BEYOND sRGB standards which results in a distortion of true colors. Apple increased saturation to MATCH the sRGB standard.

Careful, your prejdice is showing. I think the one who needs to check his hypocrisy is the one conveniently leaving out information in his comparisons...and knows it. (Don't act like you didn't know about Apple matching sRGB in the iPhone 5). :rolleyes:



http://www.displaymate.com/Smartphone_ShootOut_2.htm

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Edit: plenty of us call out Apple where it's necessary. We don't need you to make up crap that isn't true just because Apple hurt your feelings.

Along with this:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6334/iphone-5-screen-performance
 
Is it significantly noticeable that apple has increased the color saturation of their retina display?


Also do you guys think that the color saturation increased was much needed?


Just a quick survey.


Does it look better? Yes

Was it needed ? Probably not but it's nice to have....
 
These two statements reveal a lot about you.

I didn't personalize it... you did.

That speaks volumes.

Cheers :)

Yep, I'm observant. But I already knew this.

But I still wonder why you don't just sell all your Apple products and walk away (including your stock) if, by your own admission, they are such an awful company with such spotty quality?
 
Pretty sure that the color gamut measurement is about what the display is capable of, not what it is currently calibrated to. But I could be wrong.

You are.

In the TV calibration world, we generally care less about "wide color, deep color, more saturation, etc....). Cause it's all crap. All we care about is how close we can get to certain specifications (like Rec. 709, smooth gamma, colorless grayscale).

All Apple did was calibrate their screens closer to rec 709/sRGB. I bet a 4s could have came very close to the same.
 
You are.

In the TV calibration world, we generally care less about "wide color, deep color, more saturation, etc....). Cause it's all crap. All we care about is how close we can get to certain specifications (like Rec. 709, smooth gamma, colorless grayscale).

All Apple did was calibrate their screens closer to rec 709/sRGB. I bet a 4s could have came very close to the same.

Ok, but what I've read seems to imply that it's just not capable. We all know that you can't just magically take a monitor and magically add to it's abilities with some calibration. This is why professional photographers spend tons of money on monitors that are capable of hitting that sRGB spec in the first place.

Do you have something showing where someone has calibrated a 4S to closer to sRGB than the current 64%?
 
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Apple's pumped up saturation and contrast was always a Kodak formula for the general consumer, much the same way that Bose and Beats headphones feature overly enhanced bass (to the detriment of the mids and the highs.)

Unfortunately, I seldom come across people that judge earphones by mid / high ranges, just like some people settle with so-so smartphones with all sorts of GHz and GBs of RAM printed on the box. In simple words some people lack taste.

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The problem is iPhone 5 screen still lacks some significant improvements. It's still pretty cheap looking especially when you compare it to some PC-class IPS monitors or even some good SLCD in some smartphones out there. The biggest dissapointment is backlight uniformity and laggy response time. You can see it when browsing through menus. As for the uniformity try to put a completely black wallpaper turn maximum brightness and observe the screen in a dark room. You'll most likely see color discoloration across the screen, clouding, and yellowing in some parts. It shouldn't be like that in a phone that's 650$+ unlocked.

Yes but how much are those monitors alone? (high DPI IPS screens)

Maybe I'm luckier than you my 5 doesn't have any light leak. Laggy response time?! :eek: are you sure?
 
Yes, it is a significant change. The display is capable of a higher color gamut, which means more colors. 99% sRGB means it does cover 40% more colors accurately to the spectrum, it's not a made-up figure. Such a better display.
 
This is false as analysis showed that the iPhone 4 had too little color and too much contrast. They did not sacrifice anything for accurate color and contrast.

You believe what you want to believe. There are statements made by informed persons in the political field that put one candidate ahead of the other and back it up with what sounds legitimate. Same goes with charts and graphs of informed individuals for and against global warming.

Apple's pumped up bright colors and contrast fall completely in line with consumer grade expectations in photographic imagery.
 
You believe what you want to believe. There are statements made by informed persons in the political field that put one candidate ahead of the other and back it up with what sounds legitimate. Same goes with charts and graphs of informed individuals for and against global warming.

Apple's pumped up bright colors and contrast fall completely in line with consumer grade expectations in photographic imagery.

Politics are nothing more than subjective opinions and arguments for and against global warming are usually based on junk science. Color and saturation analyses are objective and mechanistic. The only question is whether DisplayMate tested enough samples (should be at least n=3) to make the analysis representative of each make and model.
 
My display definitely started off with a yellowish white and now is more bluish white. Pretty close to the clarity and depth as my iPad 3 now.

Still not as bright white as my 4s.
 
Wrong. Go read up.



Do you have some examples of some bad screens? Mine is great, although I haven't measured it with my colorimeter yet. However, I know what some of my best photos should look like and so far I see nothing but great results.

Mine measures as it looks, a bit pissy yellow/green. Doesn't really matter if it's technically better if whites are cream and flesh tones look sickly.

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This is how that looks compared to my iPhone 4:

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Edit: This is after a few week's use and having left a full brightness white screen for 6 hours just to make sure any glue curing myths aren't true.
 
Mine measures as it looks, a bit pissy yellow/green. Doesn't really matter if it's technically better if whites are cream and flesh tones look sickly.

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This is how that looks compared to my iPhone 4:

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Edit: This is after a few week's use and having left a full brightness white screen for 6 hours just to make sure any glue curing myths aren't true.

Thanks Jimrod. What was the first tool you used?
 
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