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What about Apples old "Retina-argument"...?

What about Apples old "Retina-argument"...?

Apple: "Retina-resolution is the optimal resolution when you look at the biology in the human eye."

Apple: Hmm...lets do it anyway.
 
To all those saying that there is no point: The point is that the iPhone is supposed to be (if they want to maintain their reputation) the best phone available on the market.

The problem is that you're equating more pixels (higher specs) with "better" or "best" without regard to whether those fancy specs improve, don't affect, or actually hurt the experience. IMO doubling the resolution of an iPhone would certainly not help the experience and would likely hurt it as there would be a noticeable hit to battery life to power that many more pixels.
 
And what would this be good for when Apple doesn't allow me to use the resolution on my iPhone 5? I'd like to see an option where I can change font sizes for example before even higher resolution has any practical purpose. I'd like to see more email headlines for instance and the font in emails could be smaller as well. All default Apple font sizes are too big. And I'm over 40...
 
iPhone DS!

Don't you guys get it? Doubling the resolution can only mean one thing: iPhone DS! A clamshell iphone that opens up into an ipad nano!

Maybe Apple will even buy Nintendo and ship it with New Mario Bros!

See, I can be an analyst too! ;)
 
You could double the pixels AND preserve the resolution by slapping a second screen on the back.

Maybe run different apps on the front and back screen? Accelerometer tells which screen is facing DOWN and disables touch on it?
 
how can you all say it doesn't make sense? all the competition has far higher dpi in there screens than the iPhone. Does apple really want to be left behind???

The law of diminishing returns. If PPI is already high enough that the human eye can't tell the difference anymore, what's the point of increasing PPI?
 
how can you all say it doesn't make sense? all the competition has far higher dpi in there screens than the iPhone. Does apple really want to be left behind???

Yeah because they're spec whores. Apple isn't.
 
I give it about a year before Apple realizes that people want bigger screens. It's not a gimmick, though you've rationalized it as such. When you get used to what more screen real estate offers, it's difficult to go back. Kinda like getting a 27" or 30" desktop monitor. :D

Screen size tops the list of what Apple has to offer before I buy another iPhone. Closely following that is a modern keyboard. Goddammit Apple, just go license the SwiftKey one and call it good. Every time I use my old iPhone 5 (which is now my wife's) I feel a little sympathy for iPhone users that they're still being forced to use old tech under the guise of stability and simplicity. Maybe Ives' modernization will address a lot of this.

I disagree with that. Nothing wrong with "bigger screens" per se. But I wouldn't want an even bigger phone. I personally find the iPhone 5 already a little too big. The 4 had a better form factor.
In fact, if Blackberry hadn't messed up their BIS service I'd be going for the new Q10 with the small screen and a physical keyboard. I decided against the BB Z10 because it was bigger than the iPhone. The Samsung gigantasaurus phones and everything else I've seen for Android is out of the question because of sheer size. If it doesn't fit a shirt pocket and can't be operated with one thumb anymore it's out for me.
 
NEWSFLASH

"Retina" is just a made up marketing word for Apple

Newsflash:

Apple provided the definition of the term 'retina display' when they first announced it. They have, since then, remained consistent in their use of said term according to the initially provided definition.

"Retina", on the other hand, most certainly isn't just a made up marketing word for Apple.

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yeh there was a 300 dpi definition until apple decided the ipad could be lower yet still be called retina, the definition is whatever apple wants to call retina is retina

No, the definition was that the pixels were smaller than what could be resolved by a person with 20/20 vision at the typical viewing range. For the iPhone's 3.5" screen, that range was about 12", which put the lower limit for 'retina display' at 300dpi. The typical viewing range for an iPad is 18"-24", which decreases the dpi necessary to meet the definition.
 
Pixelphobe people are odd. They always come in with impassioned arguments about more pixels can't bee seen, the strain on the OS is too much, people watch from long distances..

And they are always wrong. 1080 is better to watch than 720, 24mp cameras are better than 6mp ones, retina iPad Minis will blow away the current one. Same with the phone. More is better.

Many people can't tell the difference between 720p and 1080p, unless their connection chokes and the 1080 version buffers. That's not an impassioned argument, 720 requires less bandwidth than 1080.

My old 6MP SLR is far better than any 8MP smartphone camera. And a 2K Arri Alexa is way better than a 4K Red One. That's not impassioned either, its a fact of cameras that there are far more factors than just resolution.

Retina iPad Minis might blow away the current ones, but only if the extra graphics power is up to it. Some Retina MBP owners complained that animation were choppy compared to the standard version. You can test that objectively, and some users did - the new graphics chips didn't improve as drastically as the screen pixel count, thus reducing effective performance. Extra pixels have a cost.

If you like extra pixels at the cost of framerate and other aesthetics then fine, but that doesn't make you any less odd than anyone who disagrees with you.
 
Apple certainly is not a spec whore although I cannot speak for all their competitors so no clue which one of them are spec whores and which are not.
 
I would really like to see this happen. Personally, I am liking the screens on the new android phones better than the iPhone. To all those saying that there is no point: The point is that the iPhone is supposed to be (if they want to maintain their reputation) the best phone available on the market.

I don't think they should make this change if it is just so they can say they are the best and have the highest resolution. The current retina display resolution is fine as it is now. Why make a change that is not going to make a perceivable difference? I don't want reduced battery life. I want more battery life.
 
2nd screen

Doubling the pixels.

Obviously it is going to have a screen at the back.

Thinking Different, you know.
 
Steve Jobs said 300dpi was in his words "the magic number"

... for a screen typically viewed at about 12". A screen typically viewed from farther away doesn't require such small pixels, because the human retina's visual acuity is measured in arc seconds.
 
You don't really believe that do you?

Yes I do. Apple doesn't just do something so they can throw it on a spec sheet to wow the tech press/geeks. They won't do overkill just so they can brag their number is higher/better than Samsung's or HTC's.
 
Not gonna happen. For one, what would be the point. And two, apple doesn't spec whore just to keep up with the joneses. That's what the joneses do ;)
 
Steve Jobs said 300dpi was in his words "the magic number"

Actually.... he mentioned a distance too.

300dpi AND 12 inches...

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I've been holding on to this image for a while just waiting for this discussion to pop up again. :D

Go back and watch the video if you're still unclear as to what Steve said...
 
Are you saying that 1080p Android phones have better screens than iPhone?

If I thought they did, I would have said it.

Pentile display = rubbish. Depending on the layout, it is impossible to draw either a one pixel wide horizontal line or a one pixel wide vertical line. To produce pure black or white, you need two neighbouring Pentile pixels.
 
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