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iphone 5s for another year??

saxman211

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So I was extremely excited for Apple to introduce the new iPhone.. Only to see that the 8 looked exactly like the 6 - 7 iPhones and only had a wireless charging updated feature.. and that the X only had Face ID and a huge price tag. Up until then, I just knew I would be purchasing a new phone this fall. But after seeing the presentation... I'm just like.. blah.. I only have 32 GB on my iPhone 5s, but yesterday I was able to delete a bunch of pictures, messages, and apps.. And now I'm put to 3 GBs of space left... Does it sound crazy that I want to see what Apple decides to do next year? Will the 9 look just like the 8? Or will there even be a 9? Will the X get touch ID back?? I'm lost at the moment.. And at the moment not too pressed to get a new phone like I was a week ago... :(
 
douglasf13 said:
Well, we have no idea. I'm hoping same form factor as current SE, but with iPhone 8 internals.
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Considering Apple is still selling iPhone 6S and 7, it is doubtful they will put an A11 on their lowest tier model.

I hope by next spring, Apple will release the updated SE (with the rumored glass back), with an A10 chip (and all updated components like touch ID2 and better front facing camera). And then I way they'd discontinue the 6S, simplifying the line up into SE, 7. 8 and X.
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saxman211 said:
And at the moment not too pressed to get a new phone like I was a week ago... :(
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If that's the case, and you are okay with the 5S for now, better wait. Waiting is always better if it's not critical. :)
 
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saxman211 said:
:(... The X is just so damn expensive though... Do you really think it's worth the $400 more that it is than the 8??
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Let me break it down for you.
iPhone 8 256GB is $849.99
iPhone X 256GB is $1149.99

That's a $300 dollar price difference (not $400).
So the question is what are you getting for $300? Is it worth it?

Think about what your actually getting here:
  • Face ID (and all the hardware with the projector depth mapping, etc.)
  • Animojis
  • Dual Optical Image Stabilization in both cameras on the rear of the iPhone X (the 8 and the 8+ only have one camera with OIS) this means less blurry photos, and the X will be better for darker lighting conditions
  • Full size OLED high resolution "Super Retina Display", better colors, resolution, you can get more than 11 inches close to the screen and it'll still look good
  • Telephoto Portrait lens on the iPhone X's dual camera has a better aperture than the iPhone 8+ (f/2.4 vs. f/2.8)
  • Everything in the 8+ is packed in a "very close to 8" form factor
  • - 21 hours of Battery Life instead of 14
  • - Bigger than 8+ display
  • - 2 Rear cameras instead of the 1 on the 8. This means no portrait mode, and pictures will not look as good.
So now you look at the bullets above, and think if all of that is worth $300. If so, then yeah the X is worth it otherwise, you can get the 8. The only plus side it has over the X is that it's got Touch ID, but given that what Apple said was the Touch ID API is exactly the same as the Face ID API for authentication, your not missing out much at this point. Whether they bring it back is a whole different story, but instead of guessing the uncertainty, if you look at what is actually there on paper that Apple is trying to sell you... the value proposition might be there.
 
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Starfyre said:
Let me break it down for you.
iPhone 8 256GB is $849.99
iPhone X 256GB is $1149.99

That's a $300 dollar price difference (not $400).
So the question is what are you getting for $300? Is it worth it?

Think about what your actually getting here:
  • Face ID (and all the hardware with the projector depth mapping, etc.)
  • Animojis
  • Dual Optical Image Stabilization in both cameras on the rear of the iPhone X (the 8 and the 8+ only have one camera with OIS) this means less blurry photos, and the X will be better for darker lighting conditions
  • Full size OLED high resolution "Super Retina Display", better colors, resolution, you can get more than 11 inches close to the screen and it'll still look good
  • Telephoto Portrait lens on the iPhone X's dual camera has a better aperture than the iPhone 8+ (f/2.4 vs. f/2.8)
  • Everything in the 8+ is packed in a "very close to 8" form factor
  • - 21 hours of Battery Life instead of 14
  • - Bigger than 8+ display
  • - 2 Rear cameras instead of the 1 on the 8. This means no portrait mode, and pictures will not look as good.
So now you look at the bullets above, and think if all of that is worth $300. If so, then yeah the X is worth it otherwise, you can get the 8. The only plus side it has over the X is that it's got Touch ID, but given that what Apple said was the Touch ID API is exactly the same as the Face ID API for authentication, your not missing out much at this point. Whether they bring it back is a whole different story, but instead of guessing the uncertainty, if you look at what is actually there on paper that Apple is trying to sell you... the value proposition might be there.
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I hear you.. I guess I'm a little skeptical of the face ID and think I'll miss touch ID. Plus, after doing the math w/ Applecare, I found the iPhone X to be $370 more than the 8... Which is ALMOST $400... I may have to wait and see first.. I'm still on the ropes..
 
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pika2000 said:
Considering Apple is still selling iPhone 6S and 7, it is doubtful they will put an A11 on their lowest tier model.

I hope by next spring, Apple will release the updated SE (with the rumored glass back), with an A10 chip (and all updated components like touch ID2 and better front facing camera). And then I way they'd discontinue the 6S, simplifying the line up into SE, 7. 8 and X.
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If that's the case, and you are okay with the 5S for now, better wait. Waiting is always better if it's not critical. :)
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You're probably right about the chip, since they are continuing the 6s and 7, although do we know how long they'll be continuing them? It was quite a surprise to see the SE pop up with the A9 only 6 months after the 6S with the same chip.
 
douglasf13 said:
You're probably right about the chip, since they are continuing the 6s and 7, although do we know how long they'll be continuing them? It was quite a surprise to see the SE pop up with the A9 only 6 months after the 6S with the same chip.
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Yeah it was quite a surprise when the SE was announced, although it did have older components in it (like touch ID1 instead of Ver 2). My guess was Apple wanted to create something that can cater to those who prefer smaller size phone, and at the same time they know they don't want to spend too much time on it (work on the A11 already starts when they released the A8). Thus the SE was born.

What surprises me even more is Apple keeping the 6S. I guess they want as many people to have ARKit supporting devices as possible.
 
pdxmatts said:
They might be keeping the 6S for those who don't want to give up the headphone jack?
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No, it's a price point thing.

Personally I think you'd have to be crazy to spend all that money on a new 6s now given how old it is. It struggles to run iOS 11 smoothly, so it's already living on borrowed time.
 
dumastudetto said:
No, it's a price point thing.

Personally I think you'd have to be crazy to spend all that money on a new 6s now given how old it is. It struggles to run iOS 11 smoothly, so it's already living on borrowed time.
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My teenage son won't give up his 6 because of the headphone jack. Talk about on borrowed time o_O trying to explain that to him is like talking to a brick wall :(
 
dumastudetto said:
No, it's a price point thing.

Personally I think you'd have to be crazy to spend all that money on a new 6s now given how old it is. It struggles to run iOS 11 smoothly, so it's already living on borrowed time.
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I guess that brings me to my next question... How does the 5s run on IOS 11??
 
I am using 5S and it's getting iOS11, I will wait for the next model. I would prefer to have a bezel-less phone or minimum bezels and more screen in the same area. It's likely that next year's update will have more options in bezel-less iPhones even if it's LCD or OLED. on iPhone 8, dual camera, ARKit are very nice, but the old iPhone design with huge bezels now looks outdated. Also, ARKit is new, apps will be better polished by the next year.
iPhone X looks refreshing... except that top notch - that's the main reason holding back until the next year's update.
 
I still have an iPhone 5, and this was meant to be the year I updated. I think I'll probably wind up going with the X, because: future, but I'm just teetering on the edge of whether it's worth the $300 price hike and wondering how some of the tech decisions will play out over time. ie. Will Face ID be successful?

I really wish they'd kept the screen size of the iPhone 7 and made the whole phone smaller around it, but I assume they couldn't get the tech packed in there. Still, I would have valued something smaller than the 8, rather than larger.

I assume the reason Apple is advising developers to not try to hide the notch is because they're hoping it will go away in a future iteration-- otherwise the right answer would be to treat the two tabs on either side of the notch as a specialized UI area.

I don't have a particular fetish for OLED, so those particular letters don't make me want it anymore. I do like the full screen display, though.

I guess one way to look at it is that we're paying $300 to get the future today. Another is that buying the 8 today leaves us with a $300 down payment on when they get the kinks worked out of the X design in another year or two.
 
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Same boat as OP….rocking a 5S on iOS9…with 0 issues. Was hoping for great things….ie. one 10th anniversary model that would make the decision to upgrade easier….but these shitbags at apple have to "think different"…hehe.

I don't believe in touch ID and even less than face ID….my touch ID hasn't even been set up….I can spare 2 seconds to punch in a 4 digit code.

For me the only thing that makes the new models cool is the new A11 chip and its speed etc. The camera doodahs on 8Plus and X are
impressive but Im not an instagrammer or someone who takes 50 selfies a day to check make-up or zits. Animojis….lol.

Im also wondering if I should wait till next year but then Im guessing there will never be the 100% iPhone that ticks all the boxes for everyone.

For me, The SE doesn't cut it due to the chip…..and the 8+ is just too massive….so that leaves the 8 or the X.

I think folks with ready cash to splash should get the X….I certainly wouldn't get it if i have to eat canned beans and cup noodles for a few months.



saxman211 said:
So I was extremely excited for Apple to introduce the new iPhone.. Only to see that the 8 looked exactly like the 6 - 7 iPhones and only had a wireless charging updated feature.. and that the X only had Face ID and a huge price tag. Up until then, I just knew I would be purchasing a new phone this fall. But after seeing the presentation... I'm just like.. blah.. I only have 32 GB on my iPhone 5s, but yesterday I was able to delete a bunch of pictures, messages, and apps.. And now I'm put to 3 GBs of space left... Does it sound crazy that I want to see what Apple decides to do next year? Will the 9 look just like the 8? Or will there even be a 9? Will the X get touch ID back?? I'm lost at the moment.. And at the moment not too pressed to get a new phone like I was a week ago... :(
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[doublepost=1505629356][/doublepost]In other words, do you want the best of the Touch ID era…or the most beta, raw, untested and expensive offering of the new Face ID era?

Analog Kid said:
I guess one way to look at it is that we're paying $300 to get the future today. Another is that buying the 8 today leaves us with a $300 down payment on when they get the kinks worked out of the X design in another year or two.
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I was in your situation... until I decided to get a 7 Plus a few days ago. I was able to get a pretty nice deal from a reputable seller on eBay with a 20% off coupon. So far, pretty happy with it. My main reasons for upgrading in order of importance were battery, storage and screen size. iPhone 8 didn't have any new features that mattered to me and X is too expensive.
 
KhunJay said:
In other words, do you want the best of the Touch ID era…or the most beta, raw, untested and expensive offering of the new Face ID era?
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That's probably half true. I think "beta" and "untested" are over the top here. I doubt it will be perfect out of the gate, and we'll see dozens of YouTube videos getting clicks by bashing it, but if it's as solid as TouchID was when it released, they'll do ok.

I love the TouchID on my iPad Pro. It was one of the features I was looking forward to upgrading for. It sets a high bar for Face ID...
 
There should be a certificate given out for getting an iPhone on launch and then using it all the way through to the point when its iOS support is dropped:

"Resisting consumerism.... (from the inside :oops:)"
 
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frou said:
There should be a certificate given out for getting an iPhone on launch and then using it all the way through to the point when its iOS support is dropped:
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If you don't update the OS, it lasts even longer….mine is still on iOS9…and snappy as ever….Im positive that if I wen to iOS 11, it would
be end of the line for my 5S.
 
KhunJay said:
If you don't update the OS, it lasts even longer….mine is still on iOS9…and snappy as ever….Im positive that if I wen to iOS 11, it would
be end of the line for my 5S.
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Although that would be nice, sometimes not upgrading the OS means missing updates and bug fixes to the core apps like Safari. This is one thing that Google got right with Android. Even though people are stuck on older version of Android, they still get updates on many of the core apps like Chrome.

I feel iOS 10 to be better behaving than iOS 9 on my iPhone 5. I would think the 5S would do better.
 
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