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Constrained huh? And why do you think that, but NOT the 5c.. Force people to buy the 5c more ? could be...

The better question is "Why allow pre-orders on one, but not the other till the due date ?"
 
Constrained huh? And why do you think that, but NOT the 5c.. Force people to buy the 5c more ? could be...

The better question is "Why allow pre-orders on one, but not the other till the due date ?"

Uhh because the 5c is mostly a re-badged iPhone 5, so 99% of the components are readily available and have been churning out for a year? There is most likely more profit margin on the 5s, especially the higher storage models, but you get 0% profit margin if someone wants a phone now and you can't sell them one.
 
iphone online pickup

Has anyone ordered online and then picked up at their local store later that day (on launch day)?

And if same-day pickup is not available, what site do you think would give better results... the apple site or the carrier site (looking at you, 32GB gold phone on AT&T). I'm prepared to be up at 3am EST for an online order, but am not sure which would have a better chance of having stock available...
 
The BOM difference between 32GB and 64GB models was just 21$ then.

Well, in Apple's defense, a $21 difference in material costs would not under any circumstance translate into a $21 difference in sales price no matter what.
 
"Here, buy the 5C instead. Look at all the colors!"

**Next Apple Event

"We are so happy and have some exciting news. The 5C has been a HUGE success, and together we have sold more iPhones than all other Androids combined.."

**Claps from the crowd as if they're getting a cut of the profits
 
Well, in Apple's defense, a $21 difference in material costs would not under any circumstance translate into a $21 difference in sales price no matter what.

Actually, I'd say that's true of any for-profit company.
 
Very funny, sir!

Thank you, thank you very much lol

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I know! Crazy, right?? That and the levitation capabilities of the Grey model are not getting the attention they deserve at all. Minor update my a....

Seriously..i guess everyone else loses and we win:) i will be floating w my phone on Friday going super fast- im buying one of each wooo hooo
 
Does this mean..

iPhone 5c & s will sale after all. Most of what I read on this forum are from the naysayers, i.e., boring, nothing new, the new stuff is useless, I don't like it.
 
Unless they've done work since the beta I played with, iOS 7 on a 4S is just a generally miserable and slow experience.

I'm not planning on upgrading until I buy a new phone.

I would hope they have tightened up for older hardware in the final release.
 
How hard is it to make a phone that's a minor variant of the phone they were already making?

Blissful ignorance.

You can read the specs; well done. Now try & materialise that technology & understand it before spouting off.

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losz at this whole thread.. iphone 5S is a disappointment.. not upgrading my 5

You upgraded to a 5, yet the 5S is the disappointment?

This thread is full of lol.
 
Blissful ignorance.

You can read the specs; well done. Now try & materialise that technology & understand it before spouting off.

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You upgraded to a 5, yet the 5S is the disappointment?

This thread is full of lol.

Who said that he upgraded to a 5? I sure didn't, the 5 was my first iphone. It will also be my last, unless the iphone 6 comes with a decent sized screen.
 
Sometimes I think Apple does these things on purpose. This happens like every launch. It's not a bad business strategy, but it gets old quick.

It is bad business strategy. A company only exists to sell products to customers. If it can't do that, it's not in business at all. The two worst things a company can do is make too much of something and be unable to move it, or to make too few of something and be unable to meet demand. The best thing a company can do is meet demand perfectly with just the right supply just in time.

Wall Street is not going to look at the lines at Apple Stores, or count the numbers of lost sales as a good thing. Wall Street will see Apple committing a cardinal sin of business. Most customers are not fanatical Apple users who will not use any other company's phone if Apple isn't able to sell a phone to them. Apple will have effectively exited the phone market for those customers, and they will go elsewhere in the market. Some will wait weeks or months, sure, others will wait a year and get the next one. Some will go buy an Android or Windows phone.

Speaking as a shareholder myself, I'm rather concerned that Apple is designing products with parts that they can't adequately source in the numbers they need. That's a management failure. They should have skipped the fingerprint scanner if that's the bottleneck, or designed a less complicated A7/M7 if that's the problem. The engineers will always be pie-in-the-sky, but if something's not doable yet for a production device (too costly per unit, or too costly to produce the needed volume), management needs to step in and reign them in. As a consumer that sucks, and I'd rather see the engineers push the limits, but then as a consumer if I can't get one because there's no supply, I'm not a consumer at all, am I?
 
I am far from being a power user; am just a longtime Apple fan. But this doesn't stop me from criticizing the company based on past experience, particularly when we see that the only purpose of the 5C is to increase Apple's margins with lower R&D investment and virtually zero innovation from the existing iPhone 5, while at the same praising its "color" options and horrendous cases as something "awesome".

There's a difference between critique and calling something crap. The 5C is more than enough phone for over half the iOS user base. Casual users would have little differentiation between the two.

Additionally, nothing wrong with padding margins while providing a product at a lower price point that was previously not there (technically it was, but in the eye of a consumer it wasn't a "ne"w $99 phone).

Point being: if you call the 5C crap because its no good, you're missing the point. The 5C is not the flagship iPhone. And head to head it's still more powerful than the majority of other $99 options out there.
 
Who said that he upgraded to a 5? I sure didn't, the 5 was my first iphone. It will also be my last, unless the iphone 6 comes with a decent sized screen.

But if you have a 5, the 5S isn't really targeted at you then, is it? Only the true die-hards will be upgrading from a 5 to a 5S. If you drive a 2012 Civic you don't get all disappointed that the 2013 Civic doesn't really offer anything new.

I, on the other hand, have been using an iPhone 4 for three years, and it is definitely feeling old and slow. I don't know if I will end with an iPhone 5S or an Android phone of some variant, but it's definitely time for something new.
 
Why? Besides the novelty factor, what percentage of people would use their phone in wet conditions, under water or in the toilet?

Listening to music in the shower. Photography at the pool. Videography snorkeling in the ocean. Accidental drops.

Considering how many iPhones come into Apple Stores with water damage, it would probably save Apple some money to just waterproof the things. But the iPhone is the most popular camera on the planet. Who doesn't want to bring a waterproof camera on those family vacations to the beach?
 
Not around here. It was a couple of months before you could walk into the Apple store and buy a 4S whenever you wanted. They got limited numbers everyday and if you weren't waiting when the store opened, you didn't get one. The 5 became readily available sooner, but it was hardly in a matter of a few days.

Guess that is another Silicon Valley advantage. Hear stories of people flying out here to get some of them before their local stores showed up with them.
 
Listening to music in the shower. Photography at the pool. Videography snorkeling in the ocean. Accidental drops.

Considering how many iPhones come into Apple Stores with water damage, it would probably save Apple some money to just waterproof the things. But the iPhone is the most popular camera on the planet. Who doesn't want to bring a waterproof camera on those family vacations to the beach?

That would KILL lifeproofs business model.
 
Just go back to using Android already. Nobody cares.

Can't go back to something I never used to begin with.

Could you also provide me a list of acceptable opinions to post on this forum so that I can avoid hurting your overly sensitive feelings any further, please?
 
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