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Pfft.

Apple and every other publicly traded corporation in this world, they are not charities. They are "for profit" businesses. And by for profit, I mean "make every single nickel they can".

The only way Apple is making the lives of anybody better is if there is a buck in it for Apple.

First step would be to buy it back and make it private like Dell did. I wonder how many billion that would take to do.
 
It's not really restrained, Apple just sent a limited supply to carriers because they want people buying iPhones in Apple retail.
 
I have a 5, and I'm only upgrading to the 5S because I'm changing carriers. As long as I have my 5 and iOS 7, I don't care if I have to wait until Christmas. It's a pretty ho-hum upgrade IMO.
 
It amazes me what people will do to get the iPhone on launch day. I have always preordered and had it shipped to my doorstep. Sucks that theres no preorder this year but I can still order the phone online and have it delivered. It gets here when it gets here. I refuse to spend hours in a line to buy a phone. If I have to wait a few days or even weeks, oh well, I'll live.
 
Reminds me of the 90s-era incapacity to deliver the PowerBooks that people most wanted - so it is a double failure: OVER-DELIVER on crap (5C) and UNDER-DELIVER on the better model (5S)...terrible approach.

And you always get heated up and wonder why the forum sees you as Anti-Apple. :rolleyes:
 
They could have produced more. But apple always does this crap to increase demand.

Following that logic. If they could - then they did. And they are just not shipping them.

Either way - the conspiracy theory isn't exactly valid since you can't make money off of something that you aren't selling. So if you have the inventory or can create the inventory - then as a company that prides itself on maximizing profits (and what company doesn't) AND answers to stockholders - it makes no sense to not sell everything you possibly can.

That being said - of course they could have produced more. They could have held off the release date to stockpile more inventory. They chose not to. Further - it's possible that they or the carriers leaked the fact that supply is low to create more of a media frenzy. But that doesn't equate to holding back inventory (created or not).
 
this is marketing deterrence to get everyone to "not take a chance" and just order an iPhone 5C instead which will bump up those sales numbers while still using the "contrainted inventory" as a scapegoat for lower 5S sales. Something seems very shady about these "S" models, almost like they were designed a backup units in the event that the radical products don't make it to the new release deadline.
 
It amazes me what people will do to get the iPhone on launch day. I have always preordered and had it shipped to my doorstep. Sucks that theres no preorder this year but I can still order the phone online and have it delivered. It gets here when it gets here. I refuse to spend hours in a line to buy a phone. If I have to wait a few days or even weeks, oh well, I'll live.

Heres something to amaze u further


People are different
 
Following that logic. If they could - then they did. And they are just not shipping them.

Either way - the conspiracy theory isn't exactly valid since you can't make money off of something that you aren't selling. So if you have the inventory or can create the inventory - then as a company that prides itself on maximizing profits (and what company doesn't) AND answers to stockholders - it makes no sense to not sell everything you possibly can.

That being said - of course they could have produced more. They could have held off the release date to stockpile more inventory. They chose not to. Further - it's possible that they or the carriers leaked the fact that supply is low to create more of a media frenzy. But that doesn't equate to holding back inventory (created or not).

Maybe my theory is far fetch. But apple knows 10s of millions of people want to get their paws on one. They should stockpile enough.
Not only that people want what they can't have. People see something is sold out they are like I must have it when they get more. Mindless consumers also think if something is sold out it must be a quality product.

it's just very suspicions to me.
 
Does this have to do with specifically a shortage of fingerprint sensor chips since it's such new tech?

Doesn't matter if you have say 10 million of the shells and screens ready if you can only have 5 million fingerprint chips to put in them.

Yeah it has been presumed for a while by many that low fingerprint sensor yields are responsible for the limited number of 5Ses available on release. Many people knew this would be the case a long time ago. Not sure what is with all the surprise or even worse the ill founded conspiracies that apple is restraining launch numbers of the 5S intentionally. There is zero validity to that.

This is simply an issue where they ran into part of the phone that they could not produce as many of, and it is limiting launch availability. It is that simply. Delaying the launch given those facts makes ZERO sense.

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Going as far as to make it "severly constrained"? I don't really think so, unless they think it'll bomb completely... Especially surprising since 5s is actually a pretty big step forward in terms of various features, compared to the 4 vs 4s. The iPhone 5 must have been a much trickier design at start.

I can't imagine the camera sensor making such a difference in assembly, so maybe I'm simply underestimating the added complexity from the fingerprint sensor, or maybe it's from the redesigned logic board. *shrug*

You are certainly underestimating the complexity and integration of the fingerprint sensor.

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Nope. That would've been the talk of every tech blog. I can see it now, all the negativity. The update so small, yet they can't produce them still in time for launch. I'm going to have to try for the silver 16GB Verizon first then follow up with the black (space gray) 32 (or 64 haven't decided) GB Verizon next on Apple's website.

Plus waiting to launch is illogical. What would be the point of that? To be fair? So instead of 1 million people getting a 5s next week nobody would get one so six million people could get one in a month? Absolutely no logic to delaying the launch. They will sell every device they make until demand is satieted. Delaying the launch would mean the average person would have to wait LONGER to get a 5S. Not sure why people think that makes ANY sense.
 
Apple is a brilliant marketing master. They're just putting out this "leak" to drive up demand.

It's a car salesmanship trick as old as dirt :)
 
Good for you not calling out plants :)

As for your statement, I respectfully and slightly disagree.

The case is the same, for all intents and purposes. They spent about 10 minutes in Solidworks to move some screw stand-offs a few mm's and then translated that to whatever CAM program their CNC's are running.

There is no major redesign at all here. It's the same damn phone case with an extra sliver cut for the flash and a few slightly moved screw holes.

This WOULD NOT cause any production delays at all. Anyone that has experience with CAD/CAM/CNC will corroborate this.

When did I say the case underwent a major redesign? There's a whole lot more to a phone than the case. I'd like to see you try to make a phone call with only the back shell of an iPhone. My point was that you can make major changes to a phone without changing the case.

I shouldn't even have to explain this, just look at the 5s and 5c. Which phone shares the most in common with the iPhone 5? That would be the iPhone 5c. Which one is the most different? The iPhone 5s. Which phone has the more different case? The 5c... Clearly the design of the case isn't what dictates what is and is not a major redesign. The case can be part of a major redesign, but it doesn't have to be. The iPhone 5s is sufficiently different from the iPhone 5 that there are numerous components that could be delaying production.
 
That means ebay mark up is going to be SKY HIGH!!!! May have to open another line to take advantage of this. Picking up two already..... The two 4's I sold when they were released brought me $950 and $975. I'm guessing these babies are going to be going for $1200 plus.

I'm seeing $$$$$!

God I hope this is a joke. ...can I add /s please??

If it's not, pay someone to stay in your spot at least! It's not worth missing the birth of your first child man.

Someone reddit this **** and see if we can find the real guy to make sure he's just joking!!!
Not sure why you care what this person is doing with their life but if you want to find out if it's real why don't YOU do the leg work.
 
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Seems like it happens every time. More like a marketing formula rather than true demand and supply. Am I wrong here?

Yes you are 100% wrong. Every single iPhone release has had demand outstrip supply while apple tried to make every phone they could.

Where people got the idea that apple has ever once artificially limited the supply of ANY iPhone launch I don't know. People read stuff online without even thinking about it and parrot it without even knowing what they are saying.
 
They have more cash on hand than the US government.

They have been making this phone for 7 years and have had this issue and known it was going to happen again through past experiences.

They are a company that, if the world doesn't offer what then need to make something, then they will go our of their way to create it.

Which means that this issue, is a choice, not a circumstance, because Apple, aren't victims to circumstance.

Very well put, and when I said it less flawlessly I got a LARGE amount of people who clearly think there is actually a supply chain issue I'm supposed to be aware of.
 
Hmm... I was gonna run to the Apple store after work on Friday to grab one, but as I was hoping to get a 64 gig silver or gold one, I'm going to expect to wait. I'll still go to see the new colors in person and geek out over the fingerprint sensor.

The one crappy thing that some have brought up already is that some scoundrels will buy up a bunch in order to scalp them. I'm as big a capitalist as anyone, but I'm hoping in light of the shortage, Apple limits each person to one purchase of the 5S until inventory picks up.
 
When has the iPhone had ample launch inventory since the first phone? It will be sold out in a few hours and it will be months before you can walk into a store and buy one any time you please. Just as it has been for the past few years.
 
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