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iPhone 5s Shipping Estimates Slip to October
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I wouldn't necessarily say you got lucky. That's the exact color and size that Apple made the most of!
and again, apple proves it can trick millions of suckers into buying their product without Steve Jobs reality distortion field
So true!
The fact that the 5C is ONLY $100 less makes it a total rip off
There is no way that getting hardware 1 year old (and hence will stop being supported 1 year earlier) as well as missing out on all the new features is worth saving $100
Even for casual users I would not recommend the 5C since it will be obsolete a year earlier, so you would actually save money by using the 5S in the long run! (I would recommend buying a 2nd hand iPhone 5 to casual users though since they are much cheaper now)
I guess I should be thanking the lord I walked into an Apple Store at 5pm launch day, and they had the exact color, and exact size I wanted.
I doubt the lord cares.
The 5C is definitely a failure.
The 5S fate has yet to be determined. You can't give a store 3 5S Golds and they sell out and call it a success....
I thought Cook was a Logistics guy--what is he now trying to be Jobs--the sales guy?
If these were made in the USA this wouldn't have happened.
The 5S fate has yet to be determined. You can't give a store 3 5S Golds and they sell out and call it a success....
I thought Cook was a Logistics guy--what is he now trying to be Jobs--the sales guy?
If these were made in the USA this wouldn't have happened.
At least, after the initial rush dies down, the people buying the 5c will be people who have an upgrade available and are using a cheap phone already. I don't think most current iPhone users will be upgrading to the 5c. But it will still sell well to new customers.
Apple will announce MOnday they have sold the most iphones in a weekend in the history of the company. Imagine the logistics nightmare to sell that many phones. The truth is demand is increasing and every year before launch weekend apple is increasing the time interval between production initiation and launch in order to increase inventory. The negative impact is increasing leaks etc. Now look at Samsung. it took them 100 days to sell 20 million of their s4 flagship phone. In the same time period apple sold 27million of its "outdated phones". Not to mention there has been a cliff dive in sales of the s4 just google it. Now lets see how long it takes Apple to sell 20 million iPhones
I am guessing two weeks at the most.
So although the simple and obvious analysis will come to the conclusion Apple is limiting supply for the marketing, a deeper analysis and actually looking at the facts of how many actual phones are produced and sold and consider limits in the supply chain and manufacturing the more logical conclusion is demand is outstripping production capabilities. (hows that for a run on sentence )
I am guessing two weeks at the most.
So although the simple and obvious analysis will come to the conclusion Apple is limiting supply for the marketing, a deeper analysis and actually looking at the facts of how many actual phones are produced and sold and consider limits in the supply chain and manufacturing the more logical conclusion is demand is outstripping production capabilities. (hows that for a run on sentence
)The people who the 5C is geared for are not the people who will be waiting in line to buy one on opening day. (About a 1/3 of the people waiting in line already owned the iPhone 5. Why would they "upgrade" to the same phone they have but in a plastic shell?)
The 5C is for people who don't want to pay $200 for a subsidized phone but also don't want to feel like they are settling for an old phone. Apple seems to really be focused on owning the US market.
In Chicago the store I was at had some Verizon and AT&T models. They had no "official" unlocked T-Mobile models, but those in the know were purchasing device-only AT&T and Verizon models since the LTE bands are all the same. The Apple Store employees weren't volunteering that info, though.
The store I was at had 16GB and 32GB Verizon phones in silver and space gray, and 64GB AT&T models in space gray only.
Others here have said NYC stores are tapped out, but in other cities there appears to be some stock. Maybe it isn't plentiful, but it seems that Apple has allocated more stock to the physical stores. They did that last year, too, as the pre-sales sold out in an hour.
I recall the 4S being a hot commodity for a good 4-6 weeks after it was released (even though it, too, was a "disappointing, incremental" upgrade). I think every release is hit or miss. Apple knows there will be high demand in big cities so they get big shipments, but there's only so much to go around.
If you're upgrading every two years, the face that it's obsolete sooner really won't matter as much.
With Gazelle generally paying $200+ for 2 year old iPhones at the time of release, if you update every 2 years, it's not costing you anything extra (except the first year). For the $200 phone vs. the $100 phone it's same price for activation and AppleCare+ (and replacement if you use the AppleCare+).
Gary
Evidence that the 5C is a failure?
People are so ignorant. Coworker who purchased a 5s talked with the Apple store employees in the line he was waiting in, they indicated they were selling tons of 5C's along with the 5S. The 5C being in stock does not mean it isn't a success.
Apple has played this release nearly perfectly. The margins they must be making on the 5C......
Agreed. The 5C is about securing the mid-range market. These are the people who buy the latest "free" or $99 phone when their contract comes up and don't need the latest and greatest. E.g. those who bought the iPhone 4 two years ago, or even those still on the 3GS, a cheap Android device, or the remaining 30-40% of the US market (higher overseas) who hasn't upgraded to a smartphone yet.
It might also be a second iPhone for someone, as well. Either way, it isn't going to attract the launch day crowd. But it's important, nonetheless.
Interesting point.
I don't fully understand the second part though, could you elaborate?
I.e. are you meaning that you could buy the newest iPhone every 2 years for the same price as buying last year's model every 2 years?
We'll know the full damage on Monday, if Apple announces sales. It will include a week of 5C preorders, so if the number is lower tahn expected, it will be especially meaningful. If, OTOH, they exceed 6 Million, we'll know if it was high demand which accounted for shortages rather than short supply.
I just checked on Verizon.com - where I got it at 12:01am Friday. When I ordered it (64GB Gold), it said it will ship by: Sept 24. Now, when I go to order the same one, it says Nov 4.
I just hope Apple actually sends some of those 64GB Gold ones to Verizon.
I had to go through Verizon because I transferred an upgrade from a different line on my family plan.
I just hope Apple actually sends some of those 64GB Gold ones to Verizon.
I had to go through Verizon because I transferred an upgrade from a different line on my family plan.
I love that many are complaining the 5C was not necessary and that Apple just wasted their production capacity on the lower priced model, when they're all clamouring for the 5S. However, if the 5S was the only new device revealed on the 10th, everyone would have bemoaned the death of Apple due to their lack of innovation.
Potential 4/4S upgraders will certainly find a tech upgrade in the 5C at the expense of losing a metal strip.
New (or returning) users to the Apple Ecosystem have much more perceived variety, since the 5C is a very viable option to them.
The only mis-step I see on Apples part is that the 5C has very almost no desirable overlap with the current iPhone 5 users, who are totally dependent on the low yield of the 5S to satisfy their annual tech upgrade.
Potential 4/4S upgraders will certainly find a tech upgrade in the 5C at the expense of losing a metal strip.
New (or returning) users to the Apple Ecosystem have much more perceived variety, since the 5C is a very viable option to them.
The only mis-step I see on Apples part is that the 5C has very almost no desirable overlap with the current iPhone 5 users, who are totally dependent on the low yield of the 5S to satisfy their annual tech upgrade.
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The 5C is a failure, why? Because they didn't sell out? And the 5S may be a failure because they didn't make enough and sold out to early to judge demand?
So in your opinion, what could have happened that you would have declared the iPhone S or C a success? If not selling out and selling out are both negative indications in your book?
As for Cook, if the 5C is selling well and remains in stock, isn't that a sign of good logistics? It seems to me you are twisting things a to put them in as negative light as possible. Why don't we just wait to hear the sales numbers before we jump to any conclusions?
I have to wait until mid-October to get one or else pay an ETF. So DON'T WANNA HEAR IT!
Future advice: There was a 1-3 day wait if you ordered at 3 a.m. or a couple of hours later from Apple.com. So literally if you snoozed, you lose(d). If you needed the phone that badly on launch day, should've ordered from the stockpile Apple had ASAP. Otherwise, you're in with the rest of us and just have to wait.
Future advice: There was a 1-3 day wait if you ordered at 3 a.m. or a couple of hours later from Apple.com. So literally if you snoozed, you lose(d). If you needed the phone that badly on launch day, should've ordered from the stockpile Apple had ASAP. Otherwise, you're in with the rest of us and just have to wait.
can those who got a 5S already (I see there are several in this thread) please comment on the touch ID performance. Any noticeable lag? how accurate is it?
Driving up demand is all fine and good. Never actually meeting that demand with supply just means that extra demand was pointless because you didn't end up selling anything.
Limited editions might make people want your less-limited limited edition the next time around, but it doesn't do much except reward your most dedicated fans-for-life to keep them that way.
Apple is not going to purposefully constrain supply for marketing purposes, ever. They're smarter than that. They know they actually have to sell units to earn revenue. Whether they're able to anticipate demand accurately is another matter. They tend to be conservative, because Tim Cook is very much against leaving product sitting on shelves (and losing value every day), but they're going to sell as many units as they can as long as demand exists. We'll get some numbers on Monday, I expect, and I expect they'll surpass all previous years. The interesting bit will be if Apple breaks it down by 5c and 5s, or they just combine both models and report a total.