iPhone 5s Top-Selling Smartphone at All U.S. Carriers, iPhone 5c Takes Third

[jrbdmb]

Because 5c is priced as a high-end smartphone, so it is reasonable for people to have high requirement on it.

I'm very confused. In most of your posts you claim the 5c is a low end phone because it sells for half the subsided price of the S4, and is a failure because it is not outselling the S4. Now you say the 5c is a high-end phone, and is a failure because other phones have a higher spec?

 

[BaldiMac]

The big pie (the whole smartphone market) has almost reached its peak, if Apple doesn't adjust quickly, as all of the other players in the industry do, it will soon most just lose market share numbers, but also lose total unit sales numbers. When that starts to happen, it will 10x more difficult to reverse it than trying to adjust right now.

Good old circular logic! If we assume a future where Apple doesn't do well, then we can prove that Apple isn't going to do well in the future.

The amount of facts that you made up to support your claims in this thread is impressive.

 

[osofast240sx]

By that logic the Smart Car was innovative for no other reason than it was smaller than a Civic.

Taking old technology and putting it in a phone instead of a desktop PC is not innovative. I understand that's how you interpret the definition, but I disagree.

That's not what he said it all that's what I said and then he corrected me. By saying that putting a 64-bit into a arm CPU was innovative.

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Why would the 5 c be expected to out sale the S4? It's top 4 at all carriers... That's not a failure...

Comparing with the past years, any Apple models being outsold by any other older models (by release date), has to be considered a failure. Now, being outsold by a model already released for 9 months, in the FIRST quarter itself is released, THAT IS A VERY BIG FAILURE!

You should quit while you're ahead because you're starting not to make any sense

 

[BaldiMac]

Comparing with the past years, any Apple models being outsold by any other older models (by release date), has to be considered a failure. Now, being outsold by a model already released for 9 months, in the FIRST quarter itself is released, THAT IS A VERY BIG FAILURE!

Can you stop with this "9 months" crap? The S4 was released April 24. The iPhone 5S and 5C were released Sep 20. Less than 5 months later.

 

[tongxinshe]

Android already has 80% market share.

And look at all the iOS-first and iOS-only apps still being made today.

Why? It's simple... iPhone users spend more money on apps.

Developers aren't being hypnotized by Android's large market share number. It comes with some caveats.

Yes... 8 out of 10 smartphones sold today run Android. But a good amount of those phones are complete garbage white box phones sold in China, India and elsewhere around the world. Those people aren't spending a lot of money on apps. If you take those phones out of the mix... the Android audience isn't as big as you think.

Plus... Android phones are everywhere... even in parts of the world that barely have 3G access... let alone 4G. If your app has any sort of online component... it probably won't be very popular in those areas. A phone may be running Android... but because of the lack of data coverage... it may only be used for voice and text. Once again... if you take those phones out of the mix... the Android audience gets even smaller.

From a developer standpoint... the 12% iPhone smartphone market share is out-performing the 80% Android market share.

And that's why developers will continue to bother with iOS even though is has lower market share.

You can't simply look at the market share number... there's much more to consider.

It's true that at present a lot of developers still take iOS more seriously than Android, but I don't think the factor you described above is the No.1 factor.

The No.1 factor is that iPad still holds the majority of the tablet market, unfortunately it is very clear this will no longer be true very soon. In 3 years, for sure iPad will be holding less than 15% tablet market share, just like how iPhone does in the current smartphone market.

At that time, most developers will sure take Android more seriously than iOS. And, as long as that trend starts, there will be very few Apple can do to save itself any more.
If Apple wants to save itself from that pathetic future, it needs to act very very quickly, there are almost no time left for it to sit still like it does now.

 

[BaldiMac]

It's true that at present a lot of developers still take iOS more seriously than Android, but I don't think the factor you described above is the No.1 factor.

The No.1 factor is that iPad still holds the majority of the tablet market, unfortunately it is very clear this will no longer be true very soon. In 3 years, for sure iPad will be holding less than 15% tablet market share, just like how iPhone does in the current smartphone market.

At that time, most developers will sure take Android more seriously than iOS. And, as long as that trend starts, there will be very few Apple can do to save itself any more.
If Apple wants to save itself from that pathetic future, it needs to act very very quickly, there are almost no time left for it to sit still like it does now.

Does reality factor into any of your arguments?

 

[mc3k]

The S4 is a better phone than the 5C.

No...it is not. enjoy your astroturfing....

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Maps probably does work better than Siri. Most would disagree with you about Siri.



Maps has undoubtedly been improving.

Maps has been excellent and much better than the directionless google maps that was on iOS 5.

Siri has worked much better than Google now or Svoice. if you've tried both, you'd know.

 

[AppleScruff1]

No...it is not. enjoy your astroturfing....

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Maps has been excellent and much better than the directionless google maps that was on iOS 5.

Siri has worked much better than Google now or Svoice. if you've tried both, you'd know.

What's astroturfing? I have used Siri and Google Now. Google Now wins hands down. Maps isn't in the same league as Google maps.

 

[Michael Scrip]

It's true that at present a lot of developers still take iOS more seriously than Android, but I don't think the factor you described above is the No.1 factor.

The No.1 factor is that iPad still holds the majority of the tablet market, unfortunately it is very clear this will no longer be true very soon. In 3 years, for sure iPad will be holding less than 15% tablet market share, just like how iPhone does in the current smartphone market.

At that time, most developers will sure take Android more seriously than iOS. And, as long as that trend starts, there will be very few Apple can do to save itself any more.
If Apple wants to save itself from that pathetic future, it needs to act very very quickly, there are almost no time left for it to sit still like it does now.

Well... just like in my earlier comment... there will also be a bunch of crappy Android tablets on the market... inflating Android's tablet market share. But I don't think a growth in Android tablets will reverse developers' attitude about Android.

We've seen how Android developers are taking advantage of all that Android smartphone market share, right?

Developers are already ignoring the fact that 8 out of 10 smartphones sold today are running Android... and are continuing to focus on the iPhone. And I predict the same thing will happen when Android tablets have more market share than the iPad.

It's not like the Google Play Store is barren though... there are plenty of Android apps available to the billion Android devices out there.

But iPhone apps are out-performing Android apps in sales and revenue... despite iPhone only having 12% smartphone market share.

Translation: higher market share is NOT helping Android.

Or in other words... Apple's lack of smartphone market share does NOT equal a lack of app revenue for developers.

And I don't see that changing when Android tablets have the most market share either.

 

[mc3k]

What's astroturfing? I have used Siri and Google Now. Google Now wins hands down. Maps isn't in the same league as Google maps.

You must not have used it that much...

Google now is absolutely useless. I have both a Galaxy Note 2 and an iPhone 5S and Siri wins hands down every time.

Call my brother....Siri calls my brother. Google now does a search for "brother"

"Find me a good comedy in the area." Siri finds comedies playing in the area and sorts based on rotten tomatoes ratings. Google provides a useless internet search with no relevant information.

Set an alarm for 9:30. Cancel the alarm. Google can't even cancel it's own alarm.

Find a table for 2 at a thai restaurant. Siri responds with a list of available restaurants in the area from open table. Google now gives a useless search result for Table for Two restaurant in Riverside.

The only thing google now does is give me directions to work every morning as if I don't know the way. absolutely useless...

 

[charlesdayton]

Out of the hundreds of Android models only one is outselling the 5c in some carriers. It is among the top 3 in all major carriers.

Yet people say it is a failure. Then what About Samsung's other Android phones, and HTC, LG, Sony, Motorola, etc.


Apple's $200 phone is out selling Samsung's $200 phone. Just as Apple $100 phone is outselling Samsung's and all other Android ones.

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Careful what you ask for.

When you prompt an Android fan to explain why Android is better than iOS, you are going to get responses that show how badly Android wants to be a desktop OS. Android can do all sorts of fun things that a desktop OS can do that iOS can't but in the end, it's a mobile OS so really, beyond the hardcore geek crowd, who cares?

As far as being a really good mobile OS, Android fails. I've used it a lot and it's a complete mess as a mobile OS. Using Android, to me, feels like running around in clothes that are one size too big. Sure, it gets the job done, but boy, is it a hassle and it just never feels quite right.

And none of that is ameliorated by the fact that you can easily access the file system or side-load apps or run task managers or whatever reasons are about to spill forth.

When I talk to most Android users the main reasons I have been given why they prefer Android are the following:

1. It is Opensource. (They completely forget only AOSP is. Skins, Google Apps, carrier/mnfg apps etc. are closed soource) Also they fail to explain me if freedom is so much better on Android, why I have to root to remove the included crapware (unless I buy a nexus off contract).
2. They hate Apple. (I personally think hatred is a silly reason to base your decision. If sometime Samsung or whoever makes a Phone I like more than the iPhone I will gladly switch.)
3. On the iPhone you can only use music purchased from Apple. (I always LOL at this one, music can come from any DRM free store or CD, even the pirates use their music on iphones)

 

[Oletros]

When I talk to most Android users the main reasons I have been given why they prefer Android are the following:

1. It is Opensource. (They completely forget only AOSP is. Skins, Google Apps, carrier/mnfg apps etc. are closed soource) Also they fail to explain me if freedom is so much better on Android, why I have to root to remove the included crapware (unless I buy a nexus off contract).
2. They hate Apple. (I personally think hatred is a silly reason to base your decision. If sometime Samsung or whoever makes a Phone I like more than the iPhone I will gladly switch.)
3. On the iPhone you can only use music purchased from Apple. (I always LOL at this one, music can come from any DRM free store or CD, even the pirates use their music on iphones)

And when one read those three silly reasons one starts to think that all the post has been made up

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As far as being a really good mobile OS, Android fails. I've used it a lot and it's a complete mess as a mobile OS. Using Android, to me, feels like running around in clothes that are one size too big. Sure, it gets the job done, but boy, is it a hassle and it just never feels quite right.

Like this post, just full of old topics that shows that the only Android device use was, at most, a Cupcake one

Ah, by the way, Android is not better than iOS and iOS is not better than Android both of them have their advantages and their forthcomings, you learn to live with them and use the one that suits best your use case.

 

[AppleScruff1]

You must not have used it that much...

Google now is absolutely useless. I have both a Galaxy Note 2 and an iPhone 5S and Siri wins hands down every time.

Call my brother....Siri calls my brother. Google now does a search for "brother"

"Find me a good comedy in the area." Siri finds comedies playing in the area and sorts based on rotten tomatoes ratings. Google provides a useless internet search with no relevant information.

Set an alarm for 9:30. Cancel the alarm. Google can't even cancel it's own alarm.

Find a table for 2 at a thai restaurant. Siri responds with a list of available restaurants in the area from open table. Google now gives a useless search result for Table for Two restaurant in Riverside.

The only thing google now does is give me directions to work every morning as if I don't know the way. absolutely useless...

I actually find Siri to be one step above useless in most instances. Siri rarely gets it right. I'm glad that Siri works well for you. If you read any of the threads about Siri here I think you will find yourself to be in the minority.

 

[mc3k]

I actually find Siri to be one step above useless in most instances. Siri rarely gets it right. I'm glad that Siri works well for you. If you read any of the threads about Siri here I think you will find yourself to be in the minority.

Too bad Siri doesn't work for you as it works beautifully for me. Google Now unfortunately can't access even the most basic settings and information and is instead focused around web searches and is far inferior to Siri.

Nonetheless, maybe you can try heading over to Android Authority instead of Macrumors and I'm sure someone will agree with you.

 

[xofruitcake]

It's true that at present a lot of developers still take iOS more seriously than Android, but I don't think the factor you described above is the No.1 factor.

The No.1 factor is that iPad still holds the majority of the tablet market, unfortunately it is very clear this will no longer be true very soon. In 3 years, for sure iPad will be holding less than 15% tablet market share, just like how iPhone does in the current smartphone market.

At that time, most developers will sure take Android more seriously than iOS. And, as long as that trend starts, there will be very few Apple can do to save itself any more.
If Apple wants to save itself from that pathetic future, it needs to act very very quickly, there are almost no time left for it to sit still like it does now.

heh heh, I think you are confusing the number of Android devices with revenue from Apps purchase and advertisement on the platform. Just because someone buy a device does not mean that they will be willing to pay for apps or if they are worth the ads dollars. It is a self selected group problem. When someone buy a device because it is inexpensive, they tends not to spend a lot of money on the accessories including apps and online shopping. Why do you think Apple always advertise the dollars that they paid to developers while Google has not been saying anything on the subject? And Android in different region means different things. In China, no one use Google map on any Android phone. No one use Google search in China. And in Russia, Google search only has 26%ish of the market. In order to move the developers and companies off of IOS platform, the market has to show that Android has equivalent or better potential for the developers/company to make more money. If you want to make the argument that Android will take over the world of commerce and app development, you need to follow the money, not the unit. The number of different variationd of Android devices is actually a road block for app development, testing a software is tremendously expensive and time consuming. Developers will have to take the lowest common denominator and give the lease features they can get away because different devices has different capabilities.

 

[AppleScruff1]

Too bad Siri doesn't work for you as it works beautifully for me. Google Now unfortunately can't access even the most basic settings and information and is instead focused around web searches and is far inferior to Siri.

Nonetheless, maybe you can try heading over to Android Authority instead of Macrumors and I'm sure someone will agree with you.

You're being silly now. Maybe write a blog about it? Just a thought.

 

[mc3k]

You're being silly now. Maybe write a blog about it? Just a thought.

Not being silly just seems you don't like people disagreeing with you and obviously don't like truth. Why don't you do a search and see how they both fare. Although Now has improved, it's nowhere near useful.

 

[charlesdayton]

That is my personal experience. If you don't like what I post just don't read it. .

 

[kdarling]

When someone buy a device because it is inexpensive, they tends not to spend a lot of money on the accessories including apps and online shopping.

The trouble with that logic, is that the majority of people worldwide buy the iPhone when it's inexpensive (subsidized).

Yet they still buy accessores and apps. Go figure.

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As for Apple App Store royalties, it's interesting that just 25 developers make 50% of the money. Almost all are game makers.

 

[cjmillsnun]

Wow, so the 5c can't even outsell the Galaxy S4? Failure.

Or rather, good product, wrong price.

Or rather different market.

Galaxy S4 is a direct competitor to the iPhone 5S.

The 5C is more a competitor to the Galaxy S3. It's outselling that phone. Seems a success to me.

 

[Tthomas612]

Why would the 5 c be expected to out sale the S4? It's top 4 at all carriers... That's not a failure...

Comparing with the past years, any Apple models being outsold by any other older models (by release date), has to be considered a failure. Now, being outsold by a model already released for 9 months, in the FIRST quarter itself is released, THAT IS A VERY BIG FAILURE!

Personally if I were you I'd just quit. You make no sense. The S4 is a flagship device for Samsung . The iPhone 5c is not. When the 5s and 5c was released the S4 has been out about 5 months not 9 as you may say. The 5c is NOT a FAILURE in the sense the 50% of it's users is in there FIRST iPhone. Do you know what that means?

You have contradicted yourself so many times in this thread and I'm not the only one noticing it

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Or rather different market.

Galaxy S4 is a direct competitor to the iPhone 5S.

The 5C is more a competitor to the Galaxy S3. It's outselling that phone. Seems a success to me.

This is the truth. The 5c doesn't compete with the S4 just as it doesn't compete with the 5S. It's competitors are S3 and HTC One mini. As far as I see it's outselling those plus the Note 3, Note 2, HTC One, G2, Moto X.

I'd like for someone to make me believe this phone is "failing." The only ones that believe that is people reading blogs that takes one sentence from a news article and turns it into something it's not...

 

[AppleScruff1]

Not being silly just seems you don't like people disagreeing with you and obviously don't like truth. Why don't you do a search and see how they both fare. Although Now has improved, it's nowhere near useful.

You mean reviews like these?

http://techcrunch.com/2013/10/03/why-did-apple-buy-cue-because-google-now-eats-siris-lunch/

http://www.dailycal.org/2013/11/26/app-showdown-siri-versus-google-now/

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/ios-siris-growing-fast-googles-google-now/story?id=19384307

http://www.extremetech.com/mobile/1...droid-4-3-voice-search-its-all-about-the-data

http://cnettv.cnet.com/google-now-vs-siri-rematch/9742-1_53-50159425.html

 

[xofruitcake]

The trouble with that logic, is that the majority of people worldwide buy the iPhone when it's inexpensive (subsidized).

Yet they still buy accessores and apps. Go figure.

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As for Apple App Store royalties, it's interesting that just 25 developers make 50% of the money. Almost all are game makers.

heh heh, you don't have to take my word or my logic for my conclusion. Just looks at what Android App developers make and you know why quality apps always start in IOS first. Why do you think Apple has so many tablets unique app when Android doesn't? Apple has been making that argument since IPAD mini 1 launched last year and so far Google has no response. If unit volume is a good indication of demand of Apps and accessories, the world should be full of Android Apps and Android phone accessories and not much Apple related Apps and Apple accessories. But the real world number tell a different story.

 

[mc3k]

You mean reviews like these?

http://techcrunch.com/2013/10/03/why-did-apple-buy-cue-because-google-now-eats-siris-lunch/

http://www.dailycal.org/2013/11/26/app-showdown-siri-versus-google-now/

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/ios-siris-growing-fast-googles-google-now/story?id=19384307

http://www.extremetech.com/mobile/1...droid-4-3-voice-search-its-all-about-the-data

http://cnettv.cnet.com/google-now-vs-siri-rematch/9742-1_53-50159425.html

Try something less selective than what you found on Android Authority....while you're at it, maybe you should reconsider your purchase of an Apple device and why you're still on Macrumors.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57615135-37/siri-battles-google-now-in-new-contest/

http://ipad.about.com/od/iPad_Apps/a/Siri-vs-Google-Now.htm

http://searchengineland.com/analyst...-comparable-but-only-get-passing-grade-179589

http://www.idigitaltimes.com/articl...ogle-now-voice-recognition-iphone-android.htm

 

[AppleScruff1]

Try something less selective than what you found on Android Authority....while you're at it, maybe you should reconsider your purchase of an Apple device and why you're still on Macrumors.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57615135-37/siri-battles-google-now-in-new-contest/

http://ipad.about.com/od/iPad_Apps/a/Siri-vs-Google-Now.htm

http://searchengineland.com/analyst...-comparable-but-only-get-passing-grade-179589

http://www.idigitaltimes.com/articl...ogle-now-voice-recognition-iphone-android.htm

ROFL!!! I guess you forgot to read your links? And obviously missed that one of mine was from cnet, just like yours. About.com? Please. 4 of mine are from major independent sources. And none from an Android site. Try again.