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What's the deal with Windows Phone in Italy? That's a massive anomaly, so presumably there's some reason for it…?

They could be counting sales to The Vatican as part of Italy. The Vatican has a purchasing requirement that products must be based on a holy relic as old as possible; in this case, Windows.
 
As usual, they publish the market share in smartphone units. That is, they don't cover either the high end smartphone market, which is where Apple is playing, and they don't cover the whole phone market, which isn't skewed by the fact that people switch from cheap feature phones to cheap smartphones.

These numbers also count a $600 phone exactly the same as a $100 phone. Personally, I'd rather sell x phones for $600 each than 2x or 3x phones for $100 each.

When I saw the title of the OP I knew you would post this. Not a criticism, just an observation. Your post is like a stubborn goat who refuses to believe the electric fence will shock him or a fish who continues to go for the bait even though he sees the gleaming hook.:D These firms give the generic overview to elicit the exact response you give. If you want to see more detailed reports that break down the info into tiers, it's waiting for you behind a pay wall. The info behind that pay wall will probably validate everything you assert. But you, or somebody, has to pay for it.

If this report is out, the next will undoubtedly show sales/marketshare by vendor. Same crap, different form. It will show Samsung sells the most phones.:eek: No, it won't break it down by tiers. But it will behind that pay wall. Don't fall for it. Resist the urge. You'll only be repeating yourself next quarter.
 
Since when are Apple buyers the herd? The market share says otherwise. If anything the Samsung Android buyers are the herd...

Because buyers of Apple products only buy them because they are hip whereas buyers of Samsung products buy them because they are better. Well, or so they say.

The pattern is always the same, if somebody else prefers something you consider inferior, they must do so for irrational reasons.
 
They could be counting sales to The Vatican as part of Italy. The Vatican has a purchasing requirement that products must be based on a holy relic as old as possible; in this case, Windows.

Too bad Windows Phone is newer than both iOS and Android.

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...If a Lumia 930, an iPhone 6, and a Galaxy 5s sell for similar prices...

They do not, a Lumia 930 is much cheaper.
 
...I hate car analogies but here it works: Ferarri's market share is very low globally and a comparison is irrelevant if you also include cars that cost less than $10.000. To understand Ferarri's power in the market you need to look at Lamborghini, Koenigsegg etc..

I don't hate car analogies. Since we could really be talking about any market that has high end versions and low end alternatives....

Car analogies, especially high end cars, don't work with phones for one simple reason: subsidies. You can get an iPhone model from as little as $0 subsidized. You can't get a Ferrari, Lamborghini, or a Segg subsidized at the cost of a Ford Focus. Peter, you said it yourself, there are too many factors involved to look at a single report and come away with a detailed reality of what the report states. Simply not enough information there.

I too hate car analogies because this forum has a history of being the worst with them. If we are going to use them they would be more appropriately applied to Macs instead of iPhones. Macs aren't typically purchased via subsidy.
 
Yes, I actually just bought a 4k windows monitor recently. I'm extremely tech savvy, and it was still a nightmare to get it to display correctly. It's still not even close to ideal. Mac OSX has far better high-PPI scaling, although they also have the advantage of only supporting a few specific screens.

For those interested, I actually ended up upgrading to Windows 10 Preview (currently free). The 4k support there was far better. Although, be advised, there's nothing you can do to have a dual-monitor 4k/1080p setup display correctly. The windows magnification will make one or the other look poor.

There are also a host of other issues including connectors, refresh rate, GPU memory size, and even display quality. In short, I do NOT recommend an upgrade to 4k (on windows) within the next year.

What made win10 better at DPI scaling? When I was testing the preview it looked like nothing changed from win7/win8. Still 3 separate options for 3 separate DPI scaling.
 
Shame on MacRumors. The report is for calendar Q3 of 2014. That includes July, August and September. How many of those 92 days were the iPhone 6 and 6+ available in each of the countries quoted. At most like 10 days out of 92. No way that the impact of the new iphones were the main cause of any of these numbers. CY2014 Q4 which ends December 31 will be the more telling relative to the new phones.

I also agree with other statements made that this report is worthless unless they either compare all phones or only smartphones over $400, Otherwise, this reports skews for those that switch from feature phones to cheap smart phones (where there really is little difference). If you do all phones in general, then I believe iPhone continues to pick up steam. Same if you just do phones over $400. But this comparison is skewed to favor android that plays in the cheap smartphone (in my opinion not so smart) category.

The report comes out every quarter. Should they have skipped this quarter's report altogether because Apple intro'd the iP6 late in the quarter? The report you want to see is behind a pay wall. Maybe MR will cough up a subscription and everyone can then see what they want to see and ignore the rest.;)
 
Is the following not valid?

Fact: Apple's phone sales are solidly increasing and have been for some time.

Yet you're telling me that Apple's US marketshare is decreasing.

Therefore, the total US market must be expanding greatly.

However, the above statement is not true.

Therefore, your assertion that Apple's US marketshare is decreasing, is false.

The problem is the leaps in logic you made.
Apple's sales could increase and their market share could decrease. Fact.

How? If the number of people moving from dumb phones to smartphones is greater than Apple's increase then Apple's marketshare number will decrease. Especially if anecdotes about dumb phone converts choosing cheap Androids as their first smartphone are to be believed.
 
The report comes out every quarter. Should they have skipped this quarter's report altogether because Apple intro'd the iP6 late in the quarter? The report you want to see is behind a pay wall. Maybe MR will cough up a subscription and everyone can then see what they want to see and ignore the rest.;)

The problem is other reports don'T report the same info. One had Apple at 43% in the US in late august. Up from 42% the year before. How does one jibe with the other. Makes little sense does it.
 
Car analogies, especially high end cars, don't work with phones for one simple reason: subsidies. You can get an iPhone model from as little as $0 subsidized. You can't get a Ferrari, Lamborghini, or a Segg subsidized at the cost of a Ford Focus.

You're wrong. You can get a car for $0 and a monthly payment. Almost no difference.
 
What's the deal with Windows Phone in Italy? That's a massive anomaly, so presumably there's some reason for it…?

The US is about the only country that has technology sheep that have consumers attaching their lips on corporate cabooses.
All other countries buy products that meet their needs, not for status or bragging rights.
 
The report comes out every quarter. Should they have skipped this quarter's report altogether because Apple intro'd the iP6 late in the quarter? The report you want to see is behind a pay wall. Maybe MR will cough up a subscription and everyone can then see what they want to see and ignore the rest.;)

My point is that MR should not be putting a title that claims that new iPhone created a boost in Q3. The report is out every quarter and I find it misleading every time. It doesn’t help when you take a misleading report and then add a further misleading title on an article sensationalizing the report.
 
You're wrong. You can get a car for $0 and a monthly payment. Almost no difference.

You can't get a Ferrari, Lamborghini, or a Segg subsidized at the cost of a Ford Focus is what I said. Yes, you can get that Ford Focus financed at $0 down. No one on this forum compares the iPhone to a Ford (they should because they're both commodity items). It's always the aforementioned high end cars like the ones I listed. Those aren't $0 down models. You can't make the outlay equal to that of a Focus.

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The problem is other reports don'T report the same info. One had Apple at 43% in the US in late august. Up from 42% the year before. How does one jibe with the other. Makes little sense does it.

They all use their own metrics. We'd have to know how they arrive at their numbers to gauge the accuracy of what they're reporting. More importantly, they are only estimates. We are the ones who interpret the numbers as if they are written in stone. We, as in some of us, not everyone of course.
 
Android is the dominant smartphone OS. That doesn't make you 'different'. Also, if you're really making purchasing decisions based on whether or not someone else thinks you're in a 'herd', then it sounds like you're already in one. People here buy Apple products because we, as individuals, like them. That's the complete opposite of anything to do with a herd.

Also, the main differentiation factor behind the iPhone has always been the quality of its software, and the reliability of its hardware. Some of my most die-hard Android friends have switched to Apple over the years, due to poor quality Android phones. Specs don't mean that much when it comes to actual user experience. For example, a lady friend of mine had her Samsung S5's rear camera glass break within a week of purchase, without any kind of drop or impact. I searched online for repair advice, and apparently this isn't uncommon. Too bad there's no Samsung store that you can just drop into to have your faulty device fixed (often for free).
Yeah, yeah, have a look at the class lawsuits against Apple, reliable hardware my foot, have a look at the number of people complaining about Apples software, that's even funnier. I own Apple products, so I know what I'm talking about.
 
Android is the dominant smartphone OS. That doesn't make you 'different'. Also, if you're really making purchasing decisions based on whether or not someone else thinks you're in a 'herd', then it sounds like you're already in one. People here buy Apple products because we, as individuals, like them. That's the complete opposite of anything to do with a herd.

Also, the main differentiation factor behind the iPhone has always been the quality of its software, and the reliability of its hardware. Some of my most die-hard Android friends have switched to Apple over the years, due to poor quality Android phones. Specs don't mean that much when it comes to actual user experience. For example, a lady friend of mine had her Samsung S5's rear camera glass break within a week of purchase, without any kind of drop or impact. I searched online for repair advice, and apparently this isn't uncommon. Too bad there's no Samsung store that you can just drop into to have your faulty device fixed (often for free).
I've never seen an Android lineup, oh, and if you think they're after quality when buying Apple, why is there a post on this forum asking people if he should buy matching Colors for his iPad and iPhone.
I've got a few Apple products, but I must admit I still get embarrassed walking into an Apple Store.
 
Must every Apple fanboy separate people into classes whenever these topics come up?

Seriously, who cares about how much money someone has? Yeesh, so you have money. You don't have to be that way about it...

Says the guy that doesn't make much money...
 
I think it's a combination of phones are not subsidized as much if at all and the fact that their market is maturing and people are simply outgrowing the OS and the training wheels are no longer needed.
Oh I don't know, from what I read on this forum, training wheels might be needed for a while yet.
 
Market share for Germany cannot be right. I know only one guy who uses an Android phone - everybody else bought a new iPhone this season and I know many people.

Before the beer got to me, I noticed that most of the smartphones I saw at the Oktoberfest last month were not iPhones. Same story in Frankfurt and nearby Aschaffenburg. When I got back to New York, I saw more iPhones here in one day than I did in Germany in a whole week. Same situation in Denmark and Switzerland as well. I could count the number of my relatives (close to 30) with an iPhone on one hand. With the exception of the UK, Android rules over there and I don't see that changing much anytime soon.:eek:

Then again, you should be proud that you belong to a relatively exclusive club over there and don't have to worry about "everyone" owning an iPhone like here.
 
Must every thread be hijacked by Andriod fanboies that actually wish they could afford an iPhone?

Why would you say something that makes no sense? All Smartphones are all about the same price. I could easily afford an iPhone whatever but I prefer android devices. BTW my work phone is use more than my personal and it is a iPhone 4S.
 
Why would you say something that makes no sense? All Smartphones are all about the same price. I could easily afford an iPhone whatever but I prefer android devices. BTW my work phone is use more than my personal and it is a iPhone 4S.

All phones are the same price? There are tons of cheap crapper android phones.
 
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