iPhone 6 Demand Remains Strong As Supply Improves

[the8thark]

You have NO CLUE what your talking about don't you. Polls for national elections routinely are 1024 or 2048 randomly polled people. If the sampling of 1024 is representative or the underlying population (however we define it), then it has a 3% margin of error 95% of the time.

I do know. So you (and the others) can quit having a go at me for what I do know. Totally uncalled for and totally unacceptable. We have those kind of 1-2k sample size polls here all the time. And so often they are so very wrong from reality. You get info from these polls sure but the info might be relevant, it might not be depending on who you survey.

 

[Max(IT)]

So, you are saying that if Apple had stuck to a 4" phone, no one would of bought it, as their tastes had changed?

Or are you saying Apple makes something new, then, upon seeing this, Apple folks tastes then change?

So, At the moment, the concept of the Surface Pro. A tablet running a full OS is being criticised on these forums as being the wrong thing do do,

When Apple release their tablet, with a full OS, then instantly Apple fans tastes will change, and then such a device will be deemed correct?

Since Apple has quite good analysts, the know perfectly well when it's the moment to make substantial changes.
If a 4" device wasn't a good product in 2013, the iPhone 5S wouldn't set new sales records, as it actually did. It sold more than the S5, actually more than any other flagship.

The surface pro, a good device, it's not as huge commercial success.

 

[TallManNY]

It isn't trying to estimate anything for the entire nation, just those looking to buy a new phone.

And I doubt the folks doing the survey would say that it even accurately tells us that information. I suspect it does tell us that the iPhone 6 is going to be more popular in 1Q 2015 than the iPhone 5s was in the same quarter. It is probably telling us that accurately.

And that means Apple is going to have a really good quarter. Especially if the Apple Watch is something of a hit.

 

[Xtremjeepn]

I rarely comment on any of these posts, but love reading the polarized arguments back and forth between Apple and Android. 😱


Thought I would toss out a perspective that I haven't seen mentioned(much).


I've been a hardcore Android user since the G1. I get a new phone about every 12-14months. Mostly because my Android devices haven't held up well. They all seem to die for one reason or the other. (I'm an Economist so not carrying a phone to a construction site or anything, just desk work.) While my wife's iPhones have always gone the distance and also fetch a higher premium used.

I've always loved that Android is packed with high spec wiz bang tech. So I like having the "latest and greatest" high end phone to mess with.

Being a big guy 6'2" with hands like a Sasquatch the iPhone has always been just a bit too small to comfortably use.

The problem with Android is that to keep getting "top tier" phones you have to keep getting bigger and bigger screens! At some point that became a problem for me. I needed a screen larger than the iPhone's of the past, but didn't want something so big it was a pain to carry around. The jump from the Nexus 5 to the Nexus 6 is a great example. I liked my Nexus 5 but the 6 was just too big!

So for me, the iPhone 6 was finally the right combination of "big enough for my hands" and "small enough to not be a pain"

So in many ways Apple didn't "catch up" to Android, they just opened up the market to other potential buyers. Which to the point of the article should keep the demand higher than previous phones. There are people that wanted an iPhone in the past but the screen was a limitation. Not just a point of desire.

I've also found that my iPhone is actually more useful than my Android phones despite missing some blingy tech specs.


Interesting that you don't hear car buyers arguing back and forth about which brand had windshield wipers first. They just enjoy that their car has them.

 

[diegogaja]

Technically not true. Apple pay can be used for in app purchases and purchases on the iPhone for merchant apps.

True. However, there's still no Apple Pay without NFC.

 

[tdale]

No surprise here.

Apple was a few years catching up to Android screen sizes.


Finally frustrated iPhone buyers have what they want.

Exactly. Once this has settled down, market shares between Apple and Android, and Apple and Samsung will have a bit more meaning.

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Demand is growing?
Best Buy, Walmart, Target and Frys all have ample stock when I was browsing last weekend.

Sounds like an old trick of creating a false sense of inventory shortage to generate speculation to move a backlog of inventory.

Apple is quite famous for this strategy.

They don't sell many phones, so I guess producing them all for release day is no issue......

 

[tdale]

Y

And, as was my original point, in boasting about the joys of an NFC chip in their phone, not one Android user pointed out their phone could make NFC payments. Or replace their credit card.

Correct. NFC is not new, but it has been a feature without a use, till now

 

[tdale]

To be even more fair (and even more accurate)

I think you will find the iOS Crowd have generally dismissed anything that Apple does not have, until they have it.

Remember no one wants a larger than 4" phone, and last year Apple even did a video showing you how 4" was the perfect size.

Just like now the Microsoft surface, a full OS on a tablet is a stupid idea.
Until Apple do it 🙂

Name the useful and the payment options that have been available for NFC since its been on Android devices. Feature without a use, till now.

No one wanted a larger phone. the so called iOS Crowd has been ranting on that for years. The 4" was a quick and dirty attempt to appease that, while they were already designing the 4.7 and 5.5 devices.

Who said a Surface is a poor idea? Everyone? Or just the iOS Crowd? Ive seen many Apple users complementing it, and getting it. Apple wont do it, as that would compromise the iPad to be less good at being a light small tablet and a laptop. Apple is gradually melding the two OS's together, while keeping them separate. Integration

 

[melendezest]

I see these stats only as an indicator that I will have to wait quite a while to return to Apple, if I ever return at all, given their success in the marketplace.

I cannot stand Apple's design choices since iOS 7 and now Yosemite; they sit dead-last in my view behind MSoft and Google, in that order.

I really hope that Microsoft's new CEO does a good job in bringing Windows up to snuff and integrating everything successfully; right now they have my attention big time.

I would love a fully (and successfully) integrated platform spanning PC, tablet and phone that I like, since Apple killed my favorites (iOS 6/Mountain Lion). I love the idea of a convertible PC/Tablet.

And if I have to go flat (as the entire industry seems to be obsessed with), then MSoft it is. I really like the Metro thing. It's unique and original, and in my view the best thing to come out of MSoft since Direct X.

 

[SactoGuy18]

The A9 is a 14 nm SoC! It will use 30% less then that of the A8 because of it thinnest.

The NFC Chip and Touch ID is costly! Look at how much Apple charges to replace the Touch ID module! The NFC is a special proprietary design that stores the Apple Pay ID inside the chip!

That's true now because it's all first-generation technology. By September 2015, improvements in technology will substantially cut the cost of Touch ID and NFC circuitry, and that will make it possible to build an iPhone 6 mini at reasonable cost.

 

[gri]

lol I'm still waiting to get mine in my country. The 64GB silver is impossible to get... Only without a carrier, which is too expensive.

I am still waiting to get mine. Tried to order through my workplace the day it was possible to order. Got the purchase order in November 18, received the wrong phone today, 6 weeks later, as someone in the chain of commands screwed it up (wanted iPhone 6, got iPhone 6 Plus), now have to re-order the entire thing and go back to start as this is a corporate account...
Arghhhh😱

 

[Max(IT)]

I am still waiting to get mine. Tried to order through my workplace the day it was possible to order. Got the purchase order in November 18, received the wrong phone today, 6 weeks later, as someone in the chain of commands screwed it up (wanted iPhone 6, got iPhone 6 Plus), now have to re-order the entire thing and go back to start as this is a corporate account...
Arghhhh😱

Seriously? Here in Italy you can easily find every model and color everywhere 😱

 

[lewdvig]

IDK, iP6 is the first one we are not buying. Pretty uninspiring, and ugly IMO.

Phones will probably start to plateau like tablets soon. There isn't much left to innovate. Folks will replace when current one wears out, even iPhone hype will die down eventually.

What Apple does with services is very interesting now. It had better be good. Long term that's the glue that will keep people on iOS and they are lagging.

ATM they have slightly more expensive version s of the same junk as everyone else. Hopefully they tie iCloud into iOS and Mac apps in a big way this year.

I'm not seeing much of that Apple magic right now. Watches with one day batteries do not impress me. iOS is tired.

Mac is still and will always be Apple's best product.

/tangent. Sorry

 

[ackmondual]

Seriously? Here in Italy you can easily find every model and color everywhere 😱

Seems to be more demand in NYC. AFAIK, New Yorkers got in line up to 2 weeks prior to iPHone launch days just to be the firsts to have them. Even then, I don't know if Apple ships more to NYC to account for the greater population number, but even if they did, it may not be enough on a "per person" basis.

 

[Max(IT)]

Seems to be more demand in NYC. AFAIK, New Yorkers got in line up to 2 weeks prior to iPHone launch days just to be the firsts to have them. Even then, I don't know if Apple ships more to NYC to account for the greater population number, but even if they did, it may not be enough on a "per person" basis.

What about physical stores in N.Y.? Are they available there?

 

[ackmondual]

What about physical stores in N.Y.? Are they available there?

As opposed to NYC? Dunno enough about the state of NY. Also, just in case, I was referring to in store as well, as opposed to online, in case that was a factor.

 

[Max(IT)]

As opposed to NYC? Dunno enough about the state of NY. Also, just in case, I was referring to in store as well, as opposed to online, in case that was a factor.

Sorry I was speaking about New York city....

 

[gri]

Seriously? Here in Italy you can easily find every model and color everywhere 😱

Corporate account, directly through Apple, and apparently the business world is the last Apple cares about. I would have gone long ago and bought my own but unlimited data domestic AND abroad is too nice to pass on (downside is this issue). And, most of my emails and data usage is work related so why should I pay for it... Of course, now I have to wait yet unknown number of weeks again.

 

[Premium1]

Hopefully next year they will understand where they need to put production so people don't have to wait 2+ months in some cases.

 

[tdale]

IDK, iP6 is the first one we are not buying. Pretty uninspiring, and ugly IMO.

Phones will probably start to plateau like tablets soon. There isn't much left to innovate. Folks will replace when current one wears out, even iPhone hype will die down eventually.

What Apple does with services is very interesting now. It had better be good. Long term that's the glue that will keep people on iOS and they are lagging.

ATM they have slightly more expensive version s of the same junk as everyone else. Hopefully they tie iCloud into iOS and Mac apps in a big way this year.

I'm not seeing much of that Apple magic right now. Watches with one day batteries do not impress me. iOS is tired.

Mac is still and will always be Apple's best product.

/tangent. Sorry

Continuity and Handoff? The ability to use the Mac, Macbook, iPad as an extension from the phone for calls, SMS/MMS. The ability to move from either device to the other device and your last action is there, no need to locate it, whether it be a webpage, or whatever.

Sharing is much better now between apps

I hear you, but the glue is there and its growing

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Hopefully next year they will understand where they need to put production so people don't have to wait 2+ months in some cases.

The 4.7/5.5 was a big shift, however they decided on production runs was an estimate. As it happened the 5.5 was heavier in demand than expected. Next time it will be better as the ratio will be known

 

[ackmondual]

Hopefully next year they will understand where they need to put production so people don't have to wait 2+ months in some cases.

The 4.7/5.5 was a big shift, however they decided on production runs was an estimate. As it happened the 5.5 was heavier in demand than expected. Next time it will be better as the ratio will be known

From a supplier perspective, you're better off making too little to meet demand than making too much beyond it.

 

[Premium1]

From a supplier perspective, you're better off making too little to meet demand than making too much beyond it.

Yes but this is Apple we are talking about. You pay someone to estimate, they could have started production a month earlier, creating more stock (which would have been sold in preorders alone) and not have had a 2+ month wait

 

[tdale]

Be realistic. They had no data to estimate demand. Can TC say "oh let's produce 5 million more on the next hour" course not. I work for a telco we had LOTS of pre orders. Note 4 , dozens. Next year they will know as they will have sales data. Apple is apple not God

 

[Keirasplace]

Yes but this is Apple we are talking about. You pay someone to estimate, they could have started production a month earlier, creating more stock (which would have been sold in preorders alone) and not have had a 2+ month wait

Considering IOS 8 almost came in half baked... You known the SW supporting that hardware.. There were obviously some other issues in timing the release. The OS is loaded pretty late, so would they really pile phones without OS for several months... Not to mention Hardware issues we haven't even heard about (this was a totally new design phone after all).

 

[spatlese44]

What about physical stores in N.Y.? Are they available there?

I've been watching the availability of 128GB iPhone 6 in the Chicago area and yesterday most stores started stating Available today Yeah. I'd rather pick up than order.

I'm guessing that's about the end of Apple catching up, but still there's that 128GB issue. Did they resolve that with different chips or some other redesign? I'd wait a couple more weeks if that's what it would take.