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Bobo03

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Sep 21, 2014
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Yeah, for cheaper prices than iP6s, let them buy those bigger and heavier ugly monstrosities. Fully loaded bargains that will not last long enough then quickly flood the landfills.

6 plus is one of the biggest and heaviest 5.5 inch screen phones.

And I think the landfill will be full of the 6 and 6 plus due to the increased quality, yet lowered durability.
 

Daniel L

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Sep 15, 2009
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I have the 6+ and I think this test is unfair to the Android phones. Just to throw something out there, iOS screenshots the screen of the app where you leave it. It loads up the screenshot even if the app isn't in memory and holds it there while it loads the app. I doubt the apps were fully loaded before the guy switched to the next app.

Try it for yourself, load up facebook, scroll down. Load up 4 other apps, switch back to facebook. You'll see it load up the Facebook app showing exactly what you were looking it then Facebook goes blank and refreshes.
 

cleirac

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May 7, 2014
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6 plus is one of the biggest and heaviest 5.5 inch screen phones.

And I think the landfill will be full of the 6 and 6 plus due to the increased quality, yet lowered durability.

Biggest and heaviest 5.5 that will be supported, functional and will be used for a longer time than it's same size or bigger current and future contemporaries!
 

horsebattery

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Sep 24, 2013
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I'll keep writing this until people understand: Benchmarks rarely, if ever, account for RAM. They are about speed. Back in my old MacBook Pro I upgraded from 2GB of RAM to 6GB. Geekbench results were the same. Was my system much more responsive switching between apps like CS4? You bet. Did it page that old spinning hard drive less? Yep. You need RAM to keep your tabs loaded and to quickly resume apps that are in the background. Benchmarks are about completing a set of tasks in a single app. iOS doesn't do much caching to NAND, and the NAND is much slower than a traditional SSD. Closer to the speed of a normal modern spinning hard drive, from what I've been able to gather.

RAM gives a better experience in actual use, CPU gives a better experience in actual use and in benchmarks. The A8 is quite capable and fast in performing calculations, not in loading or swapping content. CPU and RAM are two different things. It's like saying that a person who is fast but forgetful is just as talented as a person who is fast and can remember many things.
Good explanation (for others) - the subsequent posts by the poster you quoted suggests that it'll fall on deaf ears.
 

Phil A.

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Apr 2, 2006
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I'll keep writing this until people understand: Benchmarks rarely, if ever, account for RAM. They are about speed. Back in my old MacBook Pro I upgraded from 2GB of RAM to 6GB. Geekbench results were the same. Was my system much more responsive switching between apps like CS4? You bet. Did it page that old spinning hard drive less? Yep. You need RAM to keep your tabs loaded and to quickly resume apps that are in the background. Benchmarks are about completing a set of tasks in a single app. iOS doesn't do much caching to NAND, and the NAND is much slower than a traditional SSD. Closer to the speed of a normal modern spinning hard drive, from what I've been able to gather.

RAM gives a better experience in actual use, CPU gives a better experience in actual use and in benchmarks. The A8 is quite capable and fast in performing calculations, not in loading or swapping content. CPU and RAM are two different things. It's like saying that a person who is fast but forgetful is just as talented as a person who is fast and can remember many things.

This was a "real world" test though where RAM should definitely have come into play. However, I do have to agree with Daniel L above - I don't think they were waiting for the app to fully load on the second run through on the iPhone and just stopping when the screenshot of the saved state appeared...
 

Skylitfly

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May 3, 2014
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I'll keep writing this until people understand: Benchmarks rarely, if ever, account for RAM. They are about speed. Back in my old MacBook Pro I upgraded from 2GB of RAM to 6GB. Geekbench results were the same. Was my system much more responsive switching between apps like CS4? You bet. Did it page that old spinning hard drive less? Yep. You need RAM to keep your tabs loaded and to quickly resume apps that are in the background. Benchmarks are about completing a set of tasks in a single app. iOS doesn't do much caching to NAND, and the NAND is much slower than a traditional SSD. Closer to the speed of a normal modern spinning hard drive, from what I've been able to gather.

RAM gives a better experience in actual use, CPU gives a better experience in actual use and in benchmarks. The A8 is quite capable and fast in performing calculations, not in loading or swapping content. CPU and RAM are two different things. It's like saying that a person who is fast but forgetful is just as talented as a person who is fast and can remember many things.

Yeah everybody understands that. But the video clearly wasn't about benchmarks. It was a real world usage test. The guy loaded bunch of apps and switched between them. iPhone 6 was still the fastest despite of just 1GB of ram.
 

horsebattery

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Sep 24, 2013
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This was a "real world" test though where RAM should definitely have come into play. However, I do have to agree with Daniel L above - I don't think they were waiting for the app to fully load on the second run through on the iPhone and just stopping when the screenshot of the saved state appeared...
Memory's significance depends on what usage scenario it is being used under, which was the original point. Many benchmarks (e.g. Geekbench) tests are not designed to test memory, which is why it's difficult to argue the device's performance unless the scenario specifically stresses the amount of memory present. In this case, the test was an attempt to load a number of applications to see which model finishes first. Ignoring the flaws of these types of tests, in this case, memory isn't exactly stressed and is what macduke was trying to point out.

For clarity, you (and Daniel) already pointed out one of the problems I'm referring to - that the test presumes the screen capture of the recently used applications when reopened to be the application in a ready/loaded stage.
 
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macduke

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Jun 27, 2007
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This was a "real world" test though where RAM should definitely have come into play. However, I do have to agree with Daniel L above - I don't think they were waiting for the app to fully load on the second run through on the iPhone and just stopping when the screenshot of the saved state appeared...

Yeah everybody understands that. But the video clearly wasn't about benchmarks. It was a real world usage test. The guy loaded bunch of apps and switched between them. iPhone 6 was still the fastest despite of just 1GB of ram.

Guess that's my fault for not watching the video, just reading the text snippet below the link that referred to benchmarks. What about the occasional crashing and freezing on the iPhone 6 Plus? Hoping that's only software. I'm also wanting to see a tab test.

Another thing worth pointing out is that this isn't a content about beating Android—this is about being an excellent portable computing device. There is clearly still room for improvement. We shouldn't hold Apple to the standard of "slightly better than Android."
 

Bacong

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Mar 7, 2009
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Less about the affect of specs on your user experience and more about the value you get from the device.

Why am I paying for 1gb of ram, when I can have 2gb for the same price?

you're misguided. I don't care if Apple puts 15kb of ram in their phones if they work well.
 

SLC Flyfishing

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Nov 19, 2007
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This should come as no surprise to Apple computer users. Apples have been humming along with slightly lesser specs, yet still beating windows machines in many ways in terms of speed and usability.

It has everything with Apple speccing their products according to the OS they released. Since they create both the hardware and the OS, it can be highly optimized.

When I think of Android, I think of Windows computers. Always touting specs, but never really delivering the performance one might expect. And I find android similarly clunky, just like Windows is. I like my stuff to work smoothly without required maintenance and tweaking.

All IMO of course.
 

l3uddz

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Sep 11, 2014
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This should come as no surprise to Apple computer users. Apples have been humming along with slightly lesser specs, yet still beating windows machines in many ways in terms of speed and usability.



It has everything with Apple speccing their products according to the OS they released. Since they create both the hardware and the OS, it can be highly optimized.



When I think of Android, I think of Windows computers. Always touting specs, but never really delivering the performance one might expect. And I find android similarly clunky, just like Windows is. I like my stuff to work smoothly without required maintenance and tweaking.



All IMO of course.


I find your comparison hilarious. Spec and performance wise windows systems blow Apple out of the water. Android isn't all about big specs, it's about freedom to use your device how you want. Get back to me when Apple give you ir blaster, nfc tags, tor, torrent download capabilities, sd cards etc.... Too much to list..
 

SLC Flyfishing

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I find your comparison hilarious. Spec and performance wise windows systems blow Apple out of the water.

Specs, sure...performance, that has not been my experience at all.

Android isn't all about big specs, it's about freedom to use your device how you want. Get back to me when Apple give you ir blaster, nfc tags, tor, torrent download capabilities, sd cards etc.... Too much to list..

All things I've been quite happy without. I have TV remotes, and my iPhone works as a remote for my apple TV, even though I don't use it that way. NFC? Don't care, dont have a use for it. Torrent download capabilities? Who cares, I certainly don't. I don't game, or really watch movies on my phone, that's a feature without a use as far as I'm concerned.

My android phone ran like crap within a month, I couldn't even use a lot of the apps because they would freeze or crash, nothing worked as advertised. I thought the user experience felt (and looked) cheap and clunky. I didn't enjoy the phone or OS at all. Switching to iPhone when verizon got it was a revelation, and I've been very happy ever since.

Like I said in my other post, I don't like to have to do maintenance or tweaking. I like my stuff to work beautifully right out of the box, no adjusting, deleting crap I don't want/need, or any other form of optimizing. Apple delivers that both with phones, and with computers.
 
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deviant

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Oct 27, 2007
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I find your comparison hilarious. Spec and performance wise windows systems blow Apple out of the water. Android isn't all about big specs, it's about freedom to use your device how you want. Get back to me when Apple give you ir blaster, nfc tags, tor, torrent download capabilities, sd cards etc.... Too much to list..

Wait. IR blasters? What is this? 2000? tor? i don't watch pedo porn. nfc tags? that's the most laughable gimmicky feature there is. torrent download? don't you steal enough not buying apps on play store? Man please. Adults don't need those things. Those are for kids to brag to other kids about how "kewl" they are.
 
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