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iPhone 6 Rumored to Include 10+-Megapixel Camera with f/1.8 Aperture and Improved Filter

LordVic said:
The term "gimmick" is way too bantered about on this site.

Any feature that someone doesn't think they have use of is immediately a useless gimmick that is being thrown into a phone and ruins your life!

I wish people would stop and think. Just because you have no use for a feature, doesn't make the feature completely useless. you dont have to use all of a phones features if you don't want to.

You dont like an SD Card? Don't put one in! Don't like a phones facetracking feature? Turn it off! its amazing the common sense.

But of course, On this site in particularly, Anything any other phone has that Apple doesn't have is a gimmick. Only things in an iPhone are a feature.

I for one preffer the method of throwing the kitchen sink in a device, and letting the user chose which features they would like to use, rather than have few features and being dictated which featureset I should use.
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Agreed. And that is the same logic I applied to my argument a few years back when I was attacked for suggesting that the iPad come with a camera. Oh the "hate" posts from that. How silly I was to think anyone would use an iPad for facetime, shooting pictures or movies. Why there was simply no need and why should THEY have to pay for that tech in a device that CLEARLY don't need it. How awkward it would be to have a camera in the iPad.

Cut to....
 
koban4max said:
if it's about camera...why not just get a good expensive camera....
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Cause the best camera is the one you have on you.



Sure, I have a fairly decent midrange SLR.

But it's big, Heavy and I dont carry it in my pocket for those random snapshots.
 
in this case, a bigger sensor is better than Megapixel count...

I'd gladly welcome a f/1.8 aperture in the next iPhone camera system, but would be even more excited if Apple makes the imaging sensor a bit bigger in size as well (and not just a larger megapixel count from 8 to 10) as that would be a huge benefit for capturing better quality photos overall using the iPhone. :apple:
 
koban4max said:
Even more reliable than, say, Nikon's famous

Okay, i'm not a photographer....but it's hard to believe a specialized is inferior to iPhone 5s (if that's what you are indicating)
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In some regards, it is. You won't show me any Nikon camera that shoots better panorama than the 5/5c, let alone the 5s. And the AF reliability of the iPhones is also better WRT videos.
 
Renzatic said:
Good point.

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So? You don't have to use a stylus now with modern touchscreens. But a pressure sensitive, fine point stylus would be a very, very nice thing to have, wouldn't it?

Having to use a stylus to navigate a small screen interface sucks, no doubt. Fingers are better for that. Having a stylus to use as a tool for drawing, note taking, digital art, or precise selection is all around excellent, and a boon to any tablet that supports them.
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We are speaking about iPhone 6.
Last time I checked, the iPhone wasn't a tablet .....
iOS interface isn't designed with a stylus in mind, and to integrate a stylus on an iPhone should result in an ugly device.
I really don't need it.
I need an iPhone I can use with one hand.
 
nazaar said:
Really MR?

Didn't you guys publish a report a few weeks ago that said the pixels weren't changing? Are you just publishing every rumor out there? Is there any vetting process?
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Maybe both reports are correct. If Apple is really releasing two phones, maybe the smaller one will have 8 megapixels and the bigger one will have 10 megapixels.

Markarian421 said:
Megapixels don't matter, at this point in a cell phone sensor more megapixels = more noise and worse pixels. People comparing megapixels in cell phones to megapixels in Nikon and Canon dSLRs are comparing matchbox cars to real cars. For most journalists and consumers it's just a big number they don't understand but they want it to be bigger because why not?

Larger pixels are better pixels. Pixels are like buckets, the more they can hold (what they're holding is electrons generated by photons) the better -- more dynamic range. The sensor in a dSLR is huge, if those pixels are buckets, cell phone pixels are like thimbles. Wanting more megapixels is wanting a smaller thimble. But it's worse than that, reading out a pixel creates a certain amount of noise, no matter how big or small the pixel is. If it's a small pixel that holds less, that means a very low signal to noise ratio, and overall more noise in the image the more of those pixels you have.

I'm a scientist who designs cameras for other scientists, and the main thing they ask for is bigger pixels. And more of them, so basically bigger cameras all the way around. (I can show you a great 111 Mpix sensor, but it's the size of a bathroom tile.) A cell phone is pretty much the opposite of all of that, consumers demand crappier cameras because they've been misled by journalists who have been misled by marketing types who won't listen to the engineers anymore. I used to go to an imaging conference (that's happening this week actually) where there were entire days of talks about cell phone sensors that boiled down to "how bad can the image get before the consumer will notice" and "what kind of processing can we do to the images so the consumers won't notice how crappy the image is getting as we add more megapixels?" But that conference got too depressing (and too irrelevant to building good cameras) so I don't go anymore.
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That's not entirely true. Sensors quality and sensitivity can be technologically improved allowing increase in megapixels. That can be specially relevant in a small device like a phone where you need to keep the sensor small.
 
LordVic said:
The term "gimmick" is way too bantered about on this site.

Any feature that someone doesn't think they have use of is immediately a useless gimmick that is being thrown into a phone and ruins your life!

I wish people would stop and think. Just because you have no use for a feature, doesn't make the feature completely useless. you dont have to use all of a phones features if you don't want to.

You dont like an SD Card? Don't put one in! Don't like a phones facetracking feature? Turn it off! its amazing the common sense.

But of course, On this site in particularly, Anything any other phone has that Apple doesn't have is a gimmick. Only things in an iPhone are a feature.

I for one preffer the method of throwing the kitchen sink in a device, and letting the user chose which features they would like to use, rather than have few features and being dictated which featureset I should use.
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An sd card slot requires SPACE in your phone, and a dedicated port on the case ....
For what ? A technology of 10 years ago ...
No thanks ....
 
Max(IT) said:
We are speaking about iPhone 6.
Last time I checked, the iPhone wasn't a tablet .....
iOS interface isn't designed with a stylus in mind, and to integrate a stylus on an iPhone should result in an ugly device.
I really don't need it.
I need an iPhone I can use with one hand.
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You don't have to redo the entire iOS interface for a stylus. You just have to have applications that take advantage of it.

It's like comparing One Note on the Surface Pro to the iOS version. Being able to jot down notes and draw using an actual stylus rather than your finger or a nubby capacitive stylus is a great feature, but the interface between the two isn't vastly different.

...though I will admit that a stylus is more of a thing for the iPad than it is the iPhone. It's uses are limited on screens below a certain size.
 
With all these...

With all these improvements to the camera hardware it is about time Apple sort out a decent strategy for proper iCloud photo backups. Currently it is just shameful and inconsistent.
 
samcraig said:
Agreed. And that is the same logic I applied to my argument a few years back when I was attacked for suggesting that the iPad come with a camera. Oh the "hate" posts from that. How silly I was to think anyone would use an iPad for facetime, shooting pictures or movies. Why there was simply no need and why should THEY have to pay for that tech in a device that CLEARLY don't need it. How awkward it would be to have a camera in the iPad.

Cut to....
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You took the words right out of my mouth.

For some people, the iDevices are always perfect exactly as they are. When a new feature comes out, it's a great feature that makes it perfect, and talking about new features that'd be nice to have is a waste of time, because the iDevices are perfect exactly as they are. It's a Catch 22 argument.
 
Menneisyys2 said:
It has the crop factor of 7.21x, meaning it has -5.64 stops compared to a full-frame camera, resulting in 12.71 of equiv. aperture. (Computed by, say, http://www.computingbits.com/photography/fstop/default.aspx )

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Don't mistake resistive, truly POS styli to Wacom styli used by Samsung. Good riddance to the former. WRT the latter, it's no secret Wacom is so popular with artists / engineers...

I can only hope Apple adds Wacom support to the iPad Pro.

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He obviously doesn't know the difference between resistive & passive (crappy) styli and (active) Wacom ones.
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I obviously know very well the difference, but I'm not speaking about the implementation, but about the concept.
We are speaking about iPhone 6, a smartphone, I don't need a stylus on a smartphone.
More, I don't want a stylus on a smartphone. I don't want anything detachable on a smartphone. I don't want anything that could add a single mm in dimensions and a single gr in weight.
 
Renzatic said:
You don't have to redo the entire iOS interface for a stylus. You just have to have applications that take advantage of it.

It's like comparing One Note on the Surface Pro to the iOS version. Being able to jot down notes and draw using an actual stylus rather than your finger or a nubby capacitive stylus is a great feature, but the interface between the two isn't vastly different.

...though I will admit that a stylus is more of a thing for the iPad than it is the iPhone. It's uses are limited on screens below a certain size.
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Indeed.

On a phone - fingers are meant for typing (and how often do we see the promise of new software to improve typing with "big" fingers on a little keyboard). A pressure-sensitive stylus opens up a small screen to a plethora of opportunities.

And if some are so adamant about not needing one - or wanting one. iOS and the hardware could/should still SUPPORT it - even if the actual stylus is offered as an accessory.
 
Renzatic said:
You don't have to redo the entire iOS interface for a stylus. You just have to have applications that take advantage of it.

It's like comparing One Note on the Surface Pro to the iOS version. Being able to jot down notes and draw using an actual stylus rather than your finger or a nubby capacitive stylus is a great feature, but the interface between the two isn't vastly different.

...though I will admit that a stylus is more of a thing for the iPad than it is the iPhone. It's uses are limited on screens below a certain size.
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If you speak about an iPad, we can talk about it.
But we are on a thread regarding iPhone 6, and I don't want a stylus on that
 
Max(IT) said:
We are speaking about iPhone 6.
Last time I checked, the iPhone wasn't a tablet .....
iOS interface isn't designed with a stylus in mind, and to integrate a stylus on an iPhone should result in an ugly device.
I really don't need it.
I need an iPhone I can use with one hand.
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YOU don't need it.a lot of people do. It's very useful on the Samsung note series.
 
Max(IT) said:
I don't want anything that could add a single mm in dimensions and a single gr in weight.
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Would you give up retina display due to a minute change in size and weight? The iPad 3, which I consider to be the first really good iPad, was very slightly heavier and thicker than the iPad 2.

Some features are, within reason, worth a slight trade off in size and weight in my opinion. Right now, the iPhones are so thin and light, no one would care or likely even notice if they added an extra 2mm, or a few grams in weight to support feature X or Y.
 
Max(IT) said:
If you speak about an iPad, we can talk about it.
But we are on a thread regarding iPhone 6, and I don't want a stylus on that
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If the iPhone 6 come with a 5"+ screen, then, a stylus could prove highly useful. Again, see Samsung's excellent implementation.
 
Menneisyys2 said:
YOU don't need it.a lot of people do. It's very useful on the Samsung note series.
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He is right in the sense that an iPhone wouldn't see that much use out of a stylus. The Note line are the bare minimum size you'd need to make it worth your white. Even a 5" iPhone would probably be a little too small to really take advantage of it.

It'd have its uses, I'm sure. But it wouldn't be a big selling point.
 
Max(IT) said:
I obviously know very well the difference, but I'm not speaking about the implementation, but about the concept.
We are speaking about iPhone 6, a smartphone, I don't need a stylus on a smartphone.
More, I don't want a stylus on a smartphone. I don't want anything detachable on a smartphone. I don't want anything that could add a single mm in dimensions and a single gr in weight.
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As opposed to resistive styluses, you don't actually NEED to use the stylus on the Samsung note tablets. Is only for accessing functionality not otherwise available via the capacitive touchscreen like pixel-perfect drawing. That's impossible on the touch-only iPhone/iPad, unfortunately.
 
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