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What about everyone saying the S7 outsold the 6S last quarter? Whose numbers do you trust?
 
What's missing are home-screen widgets, and the type that are fully interactive like on Android.
the widget page is on the home screen (in ios10) swipe from left to right - in fact you have access to them form the lock screen - and they're quite interactive.
 
I am not going to be upgrading my phone unless something significant comes along. I am not going to be paying full ride for a new phone this year; if all Apple has done is to move a few antenna lines and get rid of the headphone port. I need more bang for my buck.

I guess the question is what "significant" looks like to you? I think better waterproofing, dual lens camera, bigger memory tiers, more ram (in Plus) to me, warrant enough to upgrade. I'm also looking forward to the Space Black and the potentially improved screen tech (like the new 9.7" iPad Pro). But maybe that's just me being on a yearly upgrade plan. I can see why someone having to buy outright might not want to upgrade.
 
the widget page is on the home screen (in ios10) swipe from left to right - in fact you have access to them form the lock screen - and they're quite interactive.

Thanks, I'll check them out when iOS 10 goes out officially.
 
Utterly GARBAGE "study" ... Samsung's Galaxy line in the US has a couple models, but internationally the Galaxy line has about 500 SKUs... so it's a completely pointless comparison. A more fair comparison would be "Apple vs Samsung Smartphone Sales" in which Samsung would obliterate Apple. But Samsung GETS it... in a country like Thailand, Samsung offers high end, low end, middle of the road, etc. Lots of options and variants for every budget, need, etc.

But hey, whatever you want to post to make it seem like Apple isn't the gnat in the room. Until Apple customers demand more of Apple, we're going to get same models year after year. Why do you think there is no innovation anymore? Because Apple fanboys (yea including me) tolerate the same crap year after year ....

500 SKU's means little. My neighbor rocks an older Galaxy that is still being sold. He always gets yesterday's phones because he is cheap (or money smart) and his carrier almost gives it to him for free. It's nice that Samsung clutters it's lineup with old, outdated Galaxy devices or cheap handsets. What does it get them? Yes, they provide handsets in every price category for developing markets. Apple doesn't play in that arena and won't.
Regardless, Samsung Galaxy sales do not "obliterate" iPhone sales.
 
These figures are astounding.
341.5 X 4 =1.366 Billion not including busy holiday season and importantly smartphones already in use.
Lets say minimum x 2 so over 2.5B smartphones in the world anyone know what % smartphone verses non smartphone is?

I heard the most popular Christmas present in the UK 2015 was a non-smart mobile phone punkt- doesn't make sense
 
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What about everyone saying the S7 outsold the 6S last quarter? Whose numbers do you trust?

Totally possible, but you have to see the greater context.
S7 was at begin of it's release cycle while 6s happened to be at the end.
That's normal as Galaxy S and iPhone getting released with a roughly 6 month difference.

If you look at total units sold iPhone is the most selling single smartphone model, but Samsung is the most selling smartphone brand.
 
Utterly GARBAGE "study" ... Samsung's Galaxy line in the US has a couple models, but internationally the Galaxy line has about 500 SKUs... so it's a completely pointless comparison. A more fair comparison would be "Apple vs Samsung Smartphone Sales" in which Samsung would obliterate Apple. But Samsung GETS it... in a country like Thailand, Samsung offers high end, low end, middle of the road, etc. Lots of options and variants for every budget, need, etc.

But hey, whatever you want to post to make it seem like Apple isn't the gnat in the room. Until Apple customers demand more of Apple, we're going to get same models year after year. Why do you think there is no innovation anymore? Because Apple fanboys (yea including me) tolerate the same crap year after year ....


Whoa! Somebody had a rough weekend. Get some coffee. The study wasn't about total sales of all phones, that would be like saying Nissan is more popular than Tesla because they sell more total cars, instead of comparing the Leaf to the Model S. Beyond that, after your second cup, you'll want to retract your statement that the most valuable company in the world, with the most revenue and the vast majority of the entire industry profits in cell phones, the one that Samsung is desperately chasing, is the "gnat in the room."
 
Most impressive iPhone since the 4, in my opinion. Stonkingly good hardware. Touch ID is instantaneous. I personally don't mind the design, protruding camera and all.

Completely agree except for the camera part. I hope one day we will get back to the camera being flush. It does not make sense from an aesthetic standpoint, but I guess we can be happy that Ive chose functionality over form here.
 
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This is true. It's also why I love the SE move so much. They managed to significantly reduce the price of entry for a (mostly) current-spec iPhone, not shipping something with an old processor (ahem, 5C) but also not ignoring the fact that many people will sacrifice a few features to get a cheaper phone. After the iPhone 8 is released, I hope they have another SE based on the 6/7 body for $399 or less.
I hope not, because I like the SE's body much better than the 6's. Best would be if a compact phone of similar size could become a regular member of the iPhone lineup in 2017. I feel this is currently an untapped market as almost nobody else (with the exception of Sony) still offers compact phones with high-end features. They could of course still sell the current SE and/or 6S/7 as a budget phone.
 
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Samsung shipped approximately 16m S7's and S7 Edge's in the 2nd quarter. Given that they were released at the same time and are sold alongside each other, a more appropriate comparison might be how many 6S's and 6S+'s shipped in the 2nd quarter.

Either way, both devices are great and it's good to see both companies trying to "one-up" each other every couple of years.
 
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as this must be nearly all android with the 8.3% Samsung less iPhone SE which I can't see selling huge amounts.
 
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I think the iPhone 6s is a great phone, screen size, performance, etc., I only wish battery life was a little better.

It's unfortunate Apple will ruin the overall design by removing the 3.5mm jack on the iPhone 7.
 
Apple's dominance in the high-margin flagship class has never really come into question - they own over 85% of the profits. However, Apple's total market share on a unit basis is 15% when you measure all Smartphone shipments. This is a problem because the general industry trend is toward lower ASP models.


That's why Apple is wise not to have played in the cheap phone market, aside from their lack of desire to produce a cheap phone, there are no profits, hence, no point in playing there.
 
Well, having 500 SKUs can be good or bad. It's good that you have something on every positioning that you can think of (typical Asian/Japanese business strategy. And yes, I know Samsung is Korean), and luckily Samsung is big enough to support that strategy, but it puts a lot of pressure on margin when the volume goes to the mid to low end models with razor thin margins. Worse, if you play volume game, the Chinese can do it better for less. Thus Samsung, is actually having problems in Asia where the Chinese OEMs are eating its share from the bottom up.

As for the same "crap," Samsung is still putting old SoCs (Snapdragon 410) into "new" phones.


Yes, and in race to the bottom, Samsung is moving most manufacturing to Vietnam, where it is cheaper than China because there is so little profit in cheap phones.
 
That's why Apple is wise not to have played in the cheap phone market, aside from their lack of desire to produce a cheap phone, there are no profits, hence, no point in playing there.

But there's no growth in the top-tier market that Apple plays in, so they'll have no choice but to go down-market. The SE was the first step.
 
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I think the iPhone 6s is a great phone, screen size, performance, etc., I only wish battery life was a little better.

It's unfortunate Apple will ruin the overall design by removing the 3.5mm jack on the iPhone 7.


I've heard a lot of different reasons for people wanting to keep the 3.5 jack, but yours is the first to argue keeping it for "design reasons."
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But there's no growth in the top-tier market that Apple plays in, so they'll have no choice but to go down-market. The SE was the first step.

The jury is still out on how much growth there is, e.g., people are still switching from Android and other platforms, at a great rate, in fact the last six months set a record. And if 2015 wasn't such a record setting year, 2016 would be seen as a great year. But beyond that suggesting that Apple tries to compete with $100 phones on a cost basis is never going to happen. That's not who they are, and there isn't any point since there's nothing but losses there. There's a reason they and Samsung have 99% of industry profits.
 
The jury is still out on how much growth there is, e.g., people are still switching from Android and other platforms, at a great rate, in fact the last six months set a record. And if 2015 wasn't such a record setting year, 2016 would be seen as a great year. But beyond that suggesting that Apple tries to compete with $100 phones on a cost basis is never going to happen. That's not who they are, and there isn't any point since there's nothing but losses there. There's a reason they and Samsung have 99% of industry profits.

As consumer replacement cycles continue to slow and ASPs drop, the importance of service revenue like apps and Music will become more important. In that space unit volume of phones is very important. I agree Apple will never compete with the lowest tier of phones but they'll have no choice but to muscle into the middle tier, which is $200 - $400.
 
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