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Huh? 3.5mm can only deliver CD quality sound. Plus lightning allows noise cancellation without an additional battery. Those two features are enough to delete the inferior 3.5mm.

Space is at a super premium on iPhone. More space means more battery or some other component. Deleting the 3.5mm will add more space for better stuff not a legacy connection that only 1% need.

And because its a fast digital interface in TWO directions it can do things we haven't even thought of yet. Its called PROGRESS.

Correction, 3.5mm can deliver whatever audio quality the DAC is able to reproduce. It is not limited to CD quality audio. Second, CD audio is all anyone needs on the listening end. If you believe otherwise, then you have been bitten by the marketing bug. The only reason for 24-bit 96Khz, or anything higher than 16-bit 44.1khz is in the recording and production stages. Once you go beyond those stages there is literally no benefit to the higher bit/sampling.

I'll agree that space is at a premium in the iPhone, but that is only because of their obsession with thinness, which is their own doing. I would also stand to wager that many many more than 1% use that port.
 
Good luck to you. I read a lot of baggage in those comments, that assumes things that just aren't true, and others that are solvable. Not worth going into it because you apparently have made your mind up. Cheers.

Solvable. The reason I own an iPhone, like so many other things Apple, is because it just works. An iPhone without a headphone jack doesn't "just work" anymore. Now I have to find a solution... whether it be an adapter or purchasing new headphones (that won't work with anything else.) And for what? Neither Bluetooth nor Lightning Audio is superior.
 
How many devices do you use to listen to music?
I'd say 99% of the population only uses headphones on one device.

People use headphones for more than just music. I often move my headphones between my iPhone, playing music, and my work computer, especially when I need to listen to something without disturbing my co-workers. But it's not just my devices... often people want to share music or a video from their own device. That's going to be a lot harder if everybody stops using the industry standard and starts using their own proprietary headphone solutions. It will be 2004 all over again.
 
The internal DAC on the iPhone only puts out 16bit/44khz audio, which is CD quality. That's all you're ever going to get from the headphone out.

That's all you need on the listening end. Anything more is a waste as it is beyond our hearing range. Regardless, that limit isn't the 3.5mm jacks fault, it was a design decision by apple in choosing to use that DAC.
 
The internal DAC on the iPhone only puts out 16bit/44khz audio, which is CD quality. That's all you're ever going to get from the headphone out.

But it doesn't have to. The hardware is capable of 24/48. The 3.5mm jack is capable of putting out any frequency you can produce, which is what was erroneously contradicted in the earlier post.

That said, Apple's DAC and more specifically amp are going to color the sound far more than than bit/sample output beyond a certain point.
 
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But it doesn't have to. The hardware is capable of 24/48. The 3.5mm jack is capable of putting out any frequency you can produce, which is what was erroneously contradicted in the earlier post.

That said, Apple's DAC and more specifically amp are going to color the sound far more than than bit/sample output beyond a certain point.

Ya, especially since almost all media on the iPhone is going to be below CD quality anyway.
 
I DO. Even if means less battery life. No joke.

Who thinks there will be a premium 4" iPhone? I love the SE, but I miss 3d touch, and want a new design

They need to better segment their iPhone range. Instead of one design maybe they need two designs. A new thinner design 4" or 4.7" iPhone Air and a different thicker design 5.5" iPhone Pro. One fits in your pocket the other fits in your briefcase.
 
It's going to lose all ports and only use a smart connector. This way it can be completely sealed and water proof.
 
The amp is going to color the sound even if you use an external amp.

Ah, but now you've hit on exactly why an external DAC & amp are better than Apple's built-in. The headphone manufacturer can control 100% of the playback hardware, and custom match it to their equipment. Currently, Apple has to make compromises for cost, which affects quality, and performance. They have to provide a neutral output to accommodate whatever is plugged into the iPhone. Moving it all externally allows the manufacturer to set the quality & performance standards themselves without relying on what Apple, or Samsung, or anyone else provides in their devices. Digital direct amps are going to have the most improvement, because they produce playback volumes much greater than those on headphones, especially with matched speaker systems.

All of this is far more important to appreciating quality differences than how high the bit depth or sample rate ultimately are.
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It's going to lose all ports and only use a smart connector. This way it can be completely sealed and water proof.

Eventually, but not anytime soon, especially with the need to transfer 4K video, 12mp photos, and possibly hi-res audio files. Once wireless catches up to reliable USB 3 transfer speeds, then yes. But by that time, I expect contactless wireless charging will be ready to roll -- so no ports of any kind.
 
Let us take this further - each iPhone, iPad and iPad will ship with a lightning to 3.5 jack adapter! Free right! Then you lose one, or damage it when the iPhone fell, etc., you have to buy a new one. Cost - $$$ for Apple, and pain in the ... for me to always carry around a connector that helps me use any of the current expensive headphones I have. Or the "free" earbuds!

Ultimately, listening is analog! This conversation can seriously turn into a CD vs Vinyl match if the true audio was the point of the discussion. It is about Apple wanting to make a device that is 1 mm thinner and then whine that they have no space for a "Head Phone jack"!

Make a more flimsy device, and rake in the profits as they fail - almost everyone has dropped a phone, even the Bakelite handset from a hundred years ago. The quality of a good product comes from how sturdy it is in daily use - also!
 
I think it's just because their new design is too ambitious for current technology and they couldn't make the deadline. They could also align the big redesign around the 10 year anniversary of the iPhone. I made a thread about it weeks ago, before any rumors about the big 2017 redesign started to leak.

Yeah, at next year's iPhone introduction after spending several minutes reminiscing about the last ten years of the iPhone, it would definitely look better for Tim, Jony, Phil and Co to introduce a sexy new design with a standout display, not a one-year-old design with the same LCD.
 
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Yeah, at next year's iPhone introduction after spending several minutes reminiscing about the last ten years of the iPhone, it would definitely look better for Tim, Jony, Phil and Co to introduce a sexy new design with a standout display, not a one-year-old design with the same LCD.

If that really happens, it would probably be wise not to remove the headphone jack with the iPhone 7, and wait for the complete redesign. I can't imagine the backlash if the next phone looks just like the 6s, with fewer antenna lines, a bulging dual camera, and the headphone jack removed for a terrible set of stereo speakers.
 
If that really happens, it would probably be wise not to remove the headphone jack with the iPhone 7, and wait for the complete redesign. I can't imagine the backlash if the next phone looks just like the 6s, with fewer antenna lines, a bulging dual camera, and the headphone jack removed for a terrible set of stereo speakers.

I don't think the backlash will be too significant. Well, maybe here at MR but in general I only expect maybe lukewarm reviews and not much more.
 
As what I have said in my earlier comment, iphone is dead when Steve Jobs died. No more bright expectations for me in iPhone. I will change to Samsung or Sony coz it's more better. Not compared to iPhone, same as always, boring.
 
Do you think rose gold is to feminine? I haven't seen it in person and I am considering this as a color when I purchase the iPhone 7 this Seprember. I have only seen online renderings. The more I see it, the more I like it. And I could care less what every one else thinks about the color.

You should judge for yourself -- go see the phone in an Apple Store (where there is good 'white'/neutral lighting, not overly yellow or blue). I am amazed at all of the people who think the color looks 'pink' -- unless they've only seen it on a computer screen. The photos I have seen on screen do seem to lean toward the blue - which produces a 'pinker' tone with such a light color. In actuality, the color does resemble a true rose gold -- which is a coppery gold color (due to the mixture of copper, gold, and other alloys). I say it 'resembles' rose gold, because one can easily see that it is not the real thing. The phone does have an almost iridescent shimmer when turned approximately 90 degrees away from your point of view -- and then it does acquire a more pink tone. But looking at the phone straight on it is much more yellow/coppery than any color of pink.

It's a beautiful finish -- I love it. And I'm not a fan of pink. :)
 
Assuming they get rid of the headphone jack, I'll just upgrade to the latest 6 (currently have a 5s) so my expensive bose headphones I bought can still be used without some cumbersome adapter. After that, it will be Android.
 
Assuming they get rid of the headphone jack, I'll just upgrade to the latest 6 (currently have a 5s) so my expensive bose headphones I bought can still be used without some cumbersome adapter. After that, it will be Android.

Just make the jump earlier - the HTC 10 has put a lot of effort into audio and has a far better headphone output with higher voltage to power demanding headphones.
 
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