I was just about to submit some stats on this. Thanks for clearing that up for him. I wasn't entirely sure what he was trying to say with that comparison.
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I don't know why so many people are worrying about the headphone jack being removed?! There will be a lightning to headphone cable to allow standard wired headphones to be used. What isn't clear, however, is whether these will be dual port adapters (lightning & headphone) to allow the device to be charged at the same time.
Yea those are horrible. Bluetooth the last few years as far as earbuds has a huge improvement. I gave up on bluetooth back in 2011. My jaybirds the last 3 years have been awesome. Car bluetooth is crap i agree.
Why don't they just make the home button seperate so if you lose it they can charge 30 bucks to get a new one.
I know you've gone into further detail in other posts. But one thing is certain. Apple has actual data on the usage of these things.
iOS offers my music app (DS Audio) in the bottom left of the locksreen when I plug in my headphones. So they have the data on how often the jack is used. How often it is used whilst charging etc.
While some may not agree with the removal, it was a calculated decision. If it flops and iPhone sales tank we may see backtracking from Apple. I doubt that will happen but stranger things have.
All the anecdotal "I need charging and headphones plugged in at the same time" is useless. As we know the users of this site are not the norm. My favourite was all the whining about the lack of keyboard support on the Apple TV 4 at launch. Then Apple released some data and it was a tiny fraction of users who actually used that feature. Headphones are used by a larger percentage of users, but whether them users care about needing the 3.5mm jack specifically and whether they need charging and headphones at the same time - Apple has actual data on that.
I may have to rethink my iPhone upgrades. Using Word a lot on my 6s lately during my commute and really, really need a bigger screen phone. My eyes are just yelling for something larger and better battery life. If the iPad Mini was Pencil compatible, this would be a no brainer. It is amazing to me how my work flow over the past two weeks has changed everything. My vision is far more important than my pride.
Just hope the + won't be more expensive. As far as what will be included and what won't, it's annoying about the headphone jack but we'll see. I just want pleasant, solid hardware & software experiences with less bugs.
Just hope the + won't be more expensive. As far as what will be included and what won't, it's annoying about the headphone jack but we'll see. I just want pleasant, solid hardware & software experiences with less bugs.
Okay, you're right - I do see a lot of people using headphones when I go into a city. I neither work nor live in a city, nor does anyone I know live in a city, so when going through the list of people in my mind, everyone I know uses their camera far more than their headphones.
I was also considering the fact that the iPhone is easily the most popular camera, and the fact that Apple regularly updates the camera, but rarely changes the headphones.
From all of that, I concluded the camera was far more heavily used than headphones.
I wouldn't count number of seconds you use each for when comparing how much is used, though. I think I'd compare the number of tracks you listen to vs the number of pictures you take. Taking two pictures and listening to two tracks per day suggests that you use both in equal measure.
Thanks for clearing up the fact you also don't have a clue. Or do you listen to people who lie and distort the truth because it lines up with your views?
Or perhaps you created your brand new account with a single post for another reason?
I am not agreeing with anyone's argument, but just pointing out that you both could be right.
Blaze is stating sales in the US #, while Eric is stating Worldwide sales #. Which could be totally different outcomes.
Besides, as I pointed out a few posts ago, sale numbers do not = better product.
Using the automobile company analogy, look at SW20 MR2 vs MK1 Miata. Mazda won the sales, but in most stats, is not the better performing product.
Or during the mid 90's, MS Windows 95 sold like crazy, but the new features of W95 were already on the Mac OS. Plus, the Mac OS was a lot more stable.
Sales are nice from a business perspective, but as for the actual product quality, doesn't always mean it is better.
I liked Apple products so much more when hardly anyone used them. Now, they are really popular, but the quality of the software and hardware seems to have gone down a lot.
Yeah I know world wide sales is much better for BMW. But you have to remember Lexus does not have dealerships in many countries vs BMW. Hence why I mentioned US sales since they both have a large dealership network here.
Haha dude you're hilarious. You don't know what I have a clue about, so don't presume to act like you do. I take facts as facts regardless of whether they line up with my views or not. I was referring to numbers in the US, and apologize for the miscommunication. I agree that Apple is dominating globally and I love it.
That's one of the best features of the phone for me. I use it all the time.
When it's in my pocket and I forget whether I've put it on mute or not, I merely slip my hand in my pocket, feel the switch and flip it if not.
When it's sitting on a table, I can glance at it and tell whether I've put it on silent.
When I want to quickly put it on mute, and take it off, I just flip a switch, often without even looking.
Now that last one is not as a big a deal depending on how they implement it. And I suppose they could provide some kind of low power visual indicator like the sleep light on my MacBook, or even a glowing ring on my display. The first one is a little bit harder, and arguably my favorite aspect of it. But if they can get some kind of Taptic feedback and a simple way of detecting the location of the virtual switch on the phone, then there's no need for a physical switch.
Apple's biggest problem is that they reduced the iPhone to just a few physical buttons that were simple and intuitive to use. We're all trained to use those buttons. So they can remove the physical buttons as long as they give us virtual equivalents, otherwise they have to re-train us how to use them, and then for some given the other changes might just as well switch platforms.
That's right, you don't know. And if you've been reading these threads the last few months, you've had it explained to you 100+ times, and you still don't get it. So let it go.
I don't know why so many people watch football. I don't understand why when "their" team wins, all the fans feel like "they've" accomplished something. And I never will understand that. But I don't go ranting all over the place that because *I* don't get it, football should be abolished who do.
I also don't understand this attitude people have today where anything that doesn't suit their own personal needs should not exist and all those people who would choose it are just wrong. But clearly, those people do exist.
Suffice to say, for a large number of people, wired headphones are the only way to go and adapters don't cut it. You don't get it, but it's obviously true. We don't need to justify or explain it to you just like a football fan doesn't have to justify his love of the sport to me. Just acknowledge that it's true for reasons beyond your comprehension and move on with your life.
The original post was from devnull0 who tried to imply Samsung sold more S7 phones than Apple using several false metrics:
- Using US sales instead of worldwide.
- Ignoring total yearly sales and picking a launch quarter for the S7 vs iPhone sales 9 months after launch.
- Using Samsung total sales of phones for all models from $50 phones up to the S7 and comparing that to iPhone sales.
I seriously don't know how on the one hand you can assert that there will be adapters to convert from Lightning to 3.5mm, but cast doubt over whether there will be dual port chargers ...
If you can imagine one (and there's absolutely no guarantee as far as that goes either), then the other is equally as possible. Of course there will be dual port adapters. But that's not even a very elegant solution. There will likely be more elegant pass through ports built into the cables, and into the headphones themselves, in the same way Beats headphones already have 3.5mm pass through jacks. Probably even Lightning ports built-into charging blocks.
Again, the poster could be right about the data, although picking a launch quarter and comparing to a quarter with a 9 month old product sounds like they are intentionally skewing the results.
Just like when MR posted an article saying that the ATV4 sales during its launch quarter was higher than the ATV3 sales for same quarter a year earlier. This was when the ATV3 was a few years old.
That said, even if Apple has higher sales in the US and/or Worldwide, it doesn't mean they have the better product, and the same goes for Samsung.
Fair enough. But do you see how people could argue the same (and are doing so) about the 3.5mm jack?
My point was it's not a necessary ssry hardware button. It may be convenient. You may love it. But the functionality of said button can easily be duplicated in the software.
Will they do it? Don't know. Was just making an example of other hardware changes that could be implemented. And I doubt it would effect the average buyers decision, at the end of the day.
As far as training, I think we have already had to retrain using iOS over the years anyway. Give a person something even as far back as iOS 7 versus 9 (I won't even say 10!) and there are things they are/were used to that have changed for them now. People adapt and get over it. As they probably will with the headphone jack.
I've never argued that the removal of the headphone jack wouldn't be inconvenient for some users. And frankly I would expect far more of those customers to not buy an iPhone, vs. those who wouldn't buy one without a mute switch, which is why I also maintain that Apple should not be removing it until they have an absolute necessity to do so, and that need should be offset by offering the customer an equivalent alternative, if not better. In other words, wireless technology should be good enough to replace the quality of the headphone jack, and the Lightning port should offer enhancements over 3.5mm, not just a different shaped port connector. I'm expecting both to be true. Nevertheless, it doesn't excuse Apple if it turns out there was no significant need for them to do it at this juncture.
Listen, I was not trying to imply you said anything. I am just adding to the discourse. IIRC you quoted me first lol.