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while I use a dedicated player for listening to music if this happens it means I will 100% not buy into Apple Music (or any other streaming service actually)
 
Bluetooth is the way to go for now. We should expect wireless technology will advance. I expect Apple will play a key role in translating advances in the physical sciences and engineering for consumer electronics.
 
This isn't that. This isn't "getting rid of old interfaces/features for much better options". This is arbitrarily changing a decades-old standard with which there is nothing wrong - Floppies, SCSI, CD, ADB, etc. were tech that was outmoded by new, generally accepted options. The Lightning connector is proprietary. This is Sony's game, NOT Apple's...

First, it will likely be USB C, not Lightning. That will open the doors to all sorts of options, including much better audio.

If you're fine with 100+ year old technology, that's fine. Switch to a different phone - I dare you. I'm stoked to find out what Apple has planned. Their decision is not arbitrary or motivated by so-called "greed."
 
"Wireless charging" is an ironic name since the wire is still there, attached to a dongle. My "wireless" Apple watch charging cord is more bulky than my lightning iPhone charging cord. The obvious advantage to wireless charging is not having to plug it in -- a relatively small advantage in my opinion compared to the hassle of a bigger charging cord. The only reason I'd like "wireless" charging is if they did away with the lightning port all together to make the whole thing a sealed-device that was truly waterproof in the same way as the watch.
 
All I will say for now is: "I don't know what I think."

Maybe Apple will do it right, retaining audio quality and/or shipping a small adapter with the phone. If not, I might not buy it. I have a pair of Sennheiser IE80s. If I can't use them with my phone, I will probably bow out of the Apple ecosystem.
 
Wouldn't it be wonderfully perverse if this was pushed by the physical limitations of the Apple Watch?

The average consumer may not consider the that they can interact with their watch with Bluetooth headphones. But when every iPhone ships with a Bluetooth headset, suddenly it becomes much more viable to use the microphone and audio through that, making the watch a much more versatile, personal and engaging item.

I know I'm way off base here, just a funny thought. I can't wait for an untethered Apple Watch with an eSIM, we'll all be living like Futurama.
 
Can somebody help me understand the great appeal of wireless charging. Other than being able to charge multiple devices simultaneously (assuming that's possible) - what's the big benefit of putting a phone by a wireless charging base station that's plugged instead of plugging it into a wall adapter.

And I imagine for people who charge in the car or at the office, they'll still need to do that...or buy multiple wireless charging adapters?
 
Honestly if it's any thinner I don't think I will buy it.

Like so many others here, you don't seem to understand that it is weight, not thinness, that Apple is driving down.

Do you really want a phone that weighs substantially more in order to have a two day battery? I don't, nor do I suspect most other people. For those that really need a two day battery there a plenty of third party cases that will provide that.
 
Can somebody help me understand the great appeal of wireless charging. Other than being able to charge multiple devices simultaneously (assuming that's possible) - what's the big benefit of putting a phone by a wireless charging base station that's plugged instead of plugging it into a wall adapter.
And I imagine for people who charge in the car or at the office, they'll still need to do that...or buy multiple wireless charging adapters?

Its not at all necessary. Its just a neato party trick. PS its possible to charge multiple devices with a large enough mat.
You can't think in terms of only whats necessary or purely beneficial. Wireless charging is exactly that, wireless charging. You put your phone down on a puck and it starts charging your phone. Pick it up when you need it and put it back down when you don't so it can charge some more

The only downside to wireless charging, other than the price, is that your phone gets hot. Not a big issue since fast charging will heat your phone up too.
 
First, it will likely be USB C, not Lightning. That will open the doors to all sorts of options, including much better audio.

If you're fine with 100+ year old technology, that's fine. Switch to a different phone - I dare you. I'm stoked to find out what Apple has planned. Their decision is not arbitrary or motivated by so-called "greed."

It isn't the 100+ year old tech that is the problem - it is that they are going to arbitrarily force me to give up my headphones that will work on tens of thousands of other devices for something that only really works [for now] on theirs. This is analog transmission of electrical signals, and it will still be AC heading to the drivers in the end, no matter the intermediary DAC. The jack is actually the most universal and [reasonably] efficient way to do that, without resorting to wireless, which has its own problems (and lots of them, at that)...

To be fair, this probably doesn't even effect me. I use external DACs a fair amount of the time, mostly because the one in the iPhone is merely OK (though better than most competitors in integrated devices, including some $$$ standalone DAPs). I'm ok with the extra bulk and cabling - most won't be...

...But the thing that really bothers me is trying to force consumers to give up a connector for another that is doing the same thing. Not a similar thing, as with the USB transition, but exactly the same thing. There is only one way to get electricity from a source to a driver (not counting electrostats) - and by forcing users to go to the USB-C or Lightning connector, they are just creating an arbitrary barrier to use of the consumer's existing devices. In the end it will still be sending AC to a magnet through a wire!
 
Apple will kill the 3.5mm headphone jack on their own products, but that doesn't mean it's going be a trend in every other electronic product out there.

If you can only buy a few, mediocre sounding headphones with a lighting connection for $79, people would rather have a device where you can have decent sounding headphones, a 3.5mm jack, and where there's already a huge market for them at a much lower price.

Personally if Apple wants to kill the 3.5mm headphone jack on their phones, just give out Bluetooth headphones with every iPhone. Move the industry forward by going with wireless technology.

Wireless charging, wireless headphones, add an AMOLED screen, add MST, re-design the back out of liquid-metal, and then waterproof the device. I'd buy the iPhone 7 if it included all of those new features.
If Apple gets rid of it, you can guarantee Samsung is next.
 
This has got to be the dumbest faux outrage since the removal of the larger full size head phone jack on my old Oldsmobile phone. This is a tech site right? Or did I accidentally get on The Onion website?
 
This is just a ploy to control 3rd party accessories again. That has slipped quite a bit with the rise of Android. You want to use a normal headphone jack? Awww. Buy beats one instead. Sure others will come to the market a few months later but if you want to listen to music on your phone, you have to buy in the eco system.

Cha-CHING$$$
 
Can somebody help me understand the great appeal of wireless charging. Other than being able to charge multiple devices simultaneously (assuming that's possible) - what's the big benefit of putting a phone by a wireless charging base station that's plugged instead of plugging it into a wall adapter.

Conceptually, if everyone would adopt ONE wireless charging standard, pads would pop up everywhere (think of how it is with wifi now). Eventually, it would get to a point where you could confidently leave home for a trip and not have to lug along the brick and cord because you would have faith that the hotel where you are staying or the airport where you have the long layover or the restaurant where you'll get a bite of food, etc will have a charging pad that works with your phone. It might take a long time to get to that point, but the strength of Apple iDevice sales volume could speed it up once Apple adopts a standard OR implements a proprietary standard that somewhat presses the rest of the world to adapt... or pay up for 2 pads at all those locations.
 
This has got to be the dumbest faux outrage since the removal of the larger full size head phone jack on my old Oldsmobile phone. This is a tech site right? Or did I accidentally get on The Onion website?

This is a much bigger deal than going from 1/4" to 1/8" (which were electrically compatible) - this is arbitrarily adding a digital layer into the process, one that they can control...

This is just a ploy to control 3rd party accessories again. That has slipped quite a bit with the rise of Android. You want to use a normal headphone jack? Awww. Buy beats one instead. Sure others will come to the market a few months later but if you want to listen to music on your phone, you have to buy in the eco system.

Cha-CHING$$$

Bingo. You forgot "at the cost of the consumer", which is why this idea scares me so much - THIS IS APPLE ACTING LIKE SONY!!!
 
Well, this is only a rumour at this point so I won't get too worked up about it. I hope this doesn't turn out to be the case though and that Ive's obsession with thinness at the cost of functionality stays with prototype devices like the MacBook.
 
I'm ok with all this but hopefully they don't make the same mistake as the 30 Pin switch.

Just include a free adapter the first year with every phone.

Don't make my wired headphones obsolete unless I spend $30 on a hard to get adapter day one.
$30?! Dude that would be a steal!!! Have you seen how much Apple charges for those damn things?
[doublepost=1452212353][/doublepost]I actually want to see the headphone jack removed. And as long as they include wireless EarPods I'll be very very happy :)
 
This helps push the technology forward. It forces technology to become smaller and more efficient in the process. It may take a while but it will help innovation inside the phone.

Personally, I want a thinner iPhone plus series. I think it's too thick at the moment. I'd also like the top and bottom of the phone to disappear. Combining the ports is a great idea. Apple has always pushed innovation like this and hasn't been afraid to change the conventional thinking on such things.

It moves NOTHING forward, nothing, all it will do is make more money for Apple under the reality distortion field of it's 'unapologetically thinner!" that you will love. Apple will attempt to force a change that literally just means more cash flow for them.

You clearly do not understand Apple nor their history.

Apple has always moved the industry with respect to change and getting rid of old interfaces/features for much better options. Getting rid of the 100 year old analog headphone jack sounds good to me.

5 1/2" floppy disks, floppy disks in general, SCSI interfaces, corded mice/keyboards, CD drives, DVi, ADB, etc are just a few examples.

There are plenty of other smartphone choices if you want to stay with old and traditional technology. Unhappy? Be brave, make the switch to another phone.

I am fully aware of Apples history thank you, they haven't changed anything in the industry, no one else makes a desktop computer lacking a blueray drive? They also make laptops with them in for those, you know, "pro's", oh and they make desktop computers where you use a screwdriver as opposed to a heat gun to take apart and replace the components to upgrade, or Pro workstations with the same features! I see NO ONE else making a Mac Pro machine, it's hardly revolutionized that industry.
Apple also didn't invent SSD drives, or USB drives, or the internet, or cloud storage, or cordless keyboards and mice like WTF?? You think Apple drove the industry by including wireless keyboards and mice???

Oh and many audiophiles still use vinyl let alone CD's! They would scoff at the merest suggestion Apple's iTunes is better in any way.

The only thing they have driven lately, as in the last few years, is finger printer scanner tech and linking that to payment options and apps.
 
I don't think anyone is asking for the iPhone 8 to be thinner. The iPhone 7 is the perfect thickness. They should just fill the extra space with a larger battery.
 
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If Apple gets rid of it, you can guarantee Samsung is next.

So your suggesting Samsung will be fitting lightning ports to their phones for lightning headphones then? That is what you are saying? Or are you stating the entire headphone industry will start making USB headphones just so every other phone manufacturer can ditch the headphone jack to copy Apple?

Somehow I don't think that will ever happen...
 
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It moves NOTHING forward, nothing, all it will do is make more money for Apple under the reality distortion field of it's 'unapologetically thinner!" that you will love. Apple will attempt to force a change that literally just means more cash flow for them.



I am fully aware of Apples history thank you, they haven't changed anything in the industry, no one else makes a desktop computer lacking a blueray drive? They also make laptops with them in for those, you know, "pro's", oh and they make desktop computers where you use a screwdriver as opposed to a heat gun to take apart and replace the components to upgrade, or Pro workstations with the same features! I see NO ONE else making a Mac Pro machine, it's hardly revolutionized that industry.
Apple also didn't invent SSD drives, or USB drives, or the internet, or cloud storage, or cordless keyboards and mice like WTF?? You think Apple drove the industry by including wireless keyboards and mice???

Oh and many audiophiles still use vinyl let alone CD's! They would scoff at the merest suggestion Apple's iTunes is better in any way.

The only thing they have driven lately, as in the last few years, is finger printer scanner tech and linking that to payment options and apps.

It appears you are not aware. Yes, other manufacturers dumped their optical drives. Apple lead the charge. Same with floppy disks, SCSI ports, and including wireless keyboards/mice, and more.
 
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