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"in an effort to make the device even thinner than the iPhone 6s"

The question is who is asking for this? Thinner phone means thinner battery and about the same battery life we've been getting lately.
Apple's goal isn't thinner; it's lighter. And yes, the iPhone could definitely stand to get lighter.
 
I personally wouldn't mind if Apple drops the headphone jack since I rarely use my iPhone to listen to music, though I understand why some people will be unhappy.

Wireless charging: Using a charging mat on my nightstand would be a bit easier than plugging it in every night. I wouldn't be thrilled if it uses the same charger as the Apple Watch, which isn't as convenient.

I'd welcome a waterproof or water-resistant phone, but I'd be even happier with one with a shatterproof screen.
 
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All these rumors and no real data on how well the port will actually transmit audio.

No matter how the headphone plug in, they have have a lackluster DAC chip. The phone can't output hide definition audio files.

I'm all set with iTunes and lossy music files. For a company that is so focused on music, you think they'd lead the charge with better audio on a device spawned from the granddaddy of digital audio players.
 
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Does this means Apple will push manufacturers to make lightning only headphones? Or will these headphones also have 3.5mm jack? I can't use lightning headphones in my studio, or anywhere else for that matter. How do I charge my device while the lightning headphones are plugged in?

That will be why there is also wireless charging? Port for headphones, pad for charging at the same time.

With every single iPhone 7 you will need to carry an adapter for standard headphones and have a charging mat at home and a charging mat at your place of work. x1 iPhone and x3 accessories. :rolleyes:

If this does turn out to be true then it is quite funny. They finally release an iPhone where you can store a good sized music collection, within 12 months spoil the music app, then another 12 months after that remove the headphone port. Can we start a campaign to make them reintroduce the iPod Classic?!!
 
"in an effort to make the device even thinner than the iPhone 6s"

The question is who is asking for this? Thinner phone means thinner battery and about the same battery life we've been getting lately.

No one. Yay, another adapter for an apple device. Yay. Another accessory you have to repurchase. Stupid move.

Wireless charging was a fad that's died off. It's too slow. Until the tech improves, not worth while.
 
I don't understand how removing the headphone jack would allow them to make the iphone more waterproof than the lightning connector, speakers, microphone, or the other buttons on the phone.
Other waterproof phones have plugs for their headphone jack and charging/data port (usually micro USB nowadays), meaning ports through which an electric signal is sent need to be sealed while microphones and speakers can be made waterproof (making buttons waterproof is the easiest part, many/most waterproof devices have some buttons).
 
Can't wait for the old analog headphone jack to be gone.

Purely out of curiosity, why? You can already buy bluetooth headphones and will soon be able to buy lightning ones (maybe you already can). How will the removal of the jack make using the phone a better experience for you?
 
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This is what I was telling them in the last thread! There is no benefit to doing this other than for the sake of Apple looking "edgy".

I used to be a huge fanboy like this, but then one day I realized that not everything Apple does is great. And that day was when I was 15. I pulled the fanboy goggles off and started viewing things objectively. I think that needs to happen to some people here IMO.

People need to stop defending everything their particular brand does. Not sure how it helps them. It is not like only apple does this either...it seems many other businesses just make decisions without listening to their customers. Ah well.
Not sure why some persons prefer no choice, essentially being forced to do something...well unless you escape their ecosystem which is hard to do when you're so heavily invested already.

Profit for apple. People defending it will pay more....go figure.

I'll just move onto the best phone on the market with a 3.5mm jack.

For once this is a deal breaker for me, though my 6S plus will last me a few more years.

lol yes I should have clarified. Only benefit is to Apple. It is still just a rumour but there seems to be more and more sources making it more believable that it will happen.
 
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Does this means Apple will push manufacturers to make lightning only headphones? Or will these headphones also have 3.5mm jack? I can't use lightning headphones in my studio, or anywhere else for that matter. How do I charge my device while the lightning headphones are plugged in?

You can't charge your iPhone and listen to music at the same time.

This introduces the same issues as the new MacBook with one sub-C, over $100 of adapters allowed me to over come the issue though ......
 
Does this means Apple will push manufacturers to make lightning only headphones? Or will these headphones also have 3.5mm jack? I can't use lightning headphones in my studio, or anywhere else for that matter. How do I charge my device while the lightning headphones are plugged in?

The customers will push manufacturers, as there will be demand for both Lightning and Bluetooth. The result will be better and more reliable products, improved tech, more choice, and lower prices. A simple adapter will allow you to use your headphones anywhere you like, and depending on whether there will actually be inductive charging or not (which solves the problem altogether), either your Lightning headphones or a simple adapter will provide a passthrough option, like this:

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I think a lot of consumers might like not having one more thing to keep charged. The 3.5mm jack works and consumer already have the choice between wired and wireless headphones. Remove the jack and you limit the choices a consumer has.

Not really. All they have to do is buy a $19-29 adapter and they can use any existing analogue headphone currently on the market.
 
With Apple's huge push for Apple Music, you'd think they would encourage as much headphone compatibility as possible.

Also, I can't imagine how they expect to prevent the torque of being in pockets from destroying lightning cables and adapters.
 
The customers will push manufacturers, as there will be demand for both Lightning and Bluetooth. The result will be better and more reliable products, improved tech, more choice, and lower prices. A simple adapter will allow you to use your headphones anywhere you like, and depending on whether there will actually be inductive charging or not (which solves the problem altogether), either your Lightning headphones or a simple adapter will provide a passthrough option, like this:

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Not really. All they have to do is buy a $19-29 adapter and they can use any existing analogue headphone currently on the market.
Yay, spend more money to get the same functionality that we currently have with no adapter!
 
Other waterproof phones have plugs for their headphone jack and charging/data port (usually micro USB nowadays), meaning ports through which an electric signal is sent need to be sealed while microphones and speakers can be made waterproof (making buttons waterproof is the easiest part, many/most waterproof devices have some buttons).

You don't need a plug to make the headphone jack or charging port waterproof.
 
Other than the fact that its too thick? Okay. Also if you don't like Apple fanboys then your on the wrong website, so beat it.

If you legitimately believe the iPhone is too thick then that is the only thing. Although many persons will disagree it is fine or too thin (while some will agree that it needs to be thinner).
 
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Other than the fact that its too thick? Okay. Also if you don't like Apple fanboys then your on the wrong website, so beat it.
Too thick? Are you kidding me? Anything smaller and it'll be as thin as a sheet of paper with 1/10 the battery life of all other flagships, including previous iPhones.
 
Don't you think that since the adapter will have to have a chip (DAC) anyway, Apple will stick some proprietary (approved by Apple) tech in there so the knockoffs struggle to actually work dependably (like early Lightning cables)?

And don't you think there will be some kind of evaluation process required by Apple for approval so that only Beats headphones will work with this new option for at least a few months (again like Lightning-based accessories)?

If I had thought that I would have written in my post. I don't think any of that. If Apple nixes the headphone port it won't be a crass ploy to sell Beats headphones or a .10 adapter for $10. It will be to make the iPhone thinner. And while I don't think Apple is too concerned if it inconveniences some customers by this, I don't think they would go out of their way to make getting an adapter hard or costly either by locking it down. But even if they did Chinese 3rd parties will reverse engineer it in weeks.

They will include the adapter. iPhone is their bread and butter. They are not going to alienate everyone right off the bat with i7.

That is the common sense response but in recent years I've bought Apple products that didn't include a requisite adapter. I think the most recent was when they changed MagSafe and didn't include a MagSafe to MagSafe2 adapter in the box. When Apple changes a standard they tend to try to convince customers they should just move forward and drop anything using the old one. They "help" by not including an adapter w/ the product.
 
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Or buy all new audio equipment that uses lightning ports or bluetooth. both introduce a lot of complexity towards headphones. The magic of headphones is the simplicity. They can range from super audiophile devices with their own built in Amps, to simple speakers attached to two dumb wires. It doesn't matter, As long as you use that 3.5mm audio jack, you have easy access to analogue audio.
THIS!
Vinyl LPs are growing in sales year over year because people are fed up with poor sound quality on their phones. The technology pendulum is swinging back now. We've been inundated with digital this and computerized that. Im starting to go back to a different device for everything: Digital SLR camera, standalone ebook reader, digital audio player, dropping cable to watch OTA HDTV, etc.
Forcing me to now purchase a headset that will only work with their device is going to fail miserably.
 
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Yay, spend more money to get the same functionality that we currently have with no adapter!

No, spend more money to get the same functionality we presently have without wires. This is no different than making the move from any legacy standard to a new one. Ethernet is far superior to Wifi in every way, except one -- you can surf the internet without being tethered to anything. That's surely worth every penny we've paid to move from one to the other.
 
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With Apple's huge push for Apple Music, you'd think they would encourage as much headphone compatibility as possible.
You'd think they'd also start selling higher quality (FLAC) audio files or at lease iTunes should support playing back these files.
 
No, spend more money to get the same functionality we presently have without wires. This is no different than making the move from any legacy standard to a new one. Ethernet is far superior to Wifi in every way, except one -- you can surf the internet without being tethered to anything. That's surely worth every penny we've paid to move from one to the other.
The Wifi vs Ethernet comparison is really not the same. How are Bluetooth headphones more convenient than standard headphones? It's one more device you have to worry about pairing and charging. With Apple removing this jack, only the new standard would be able to be used--you wouldn't be able to use wired headphones at all.

Look at game consoles or actual pro desktops. Ethernet ports are still on them, and they also have Wifi cards to use a wireless connection. They didn't get rid of Ethernet because Wifi was newer. Just like if Apple wants to remove this jack--why? Instead, why not ship the iPhone with lightning or BT headphones and use that as your standard but still keep the jack for those of us that use or prefer wired headphones.
 
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Yay, spend more money to get the same functionality that we currently have with no adapter!

Exactly!!! And more inconvenience. I regularly use 3 sets of earbuds/headpohnes + 2 separate plugs for stereo speakers. Buying one adaptor is not going to cut it as the adaptor will either have to be permanently attached to the iPhone which would be inconvenient and annoying.

The argument is: Get rid of the port so a minuscule amount of battery life will be provided, which will be overcome by the need to use bluetooth.
 
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My iPod touch is very thin but has the jack. The key might be for sound quality. Apple might want iPhone to be a some kind of music amplifier.
 
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