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USB 3.1c is more standard than having a lightning set of headphones. I don't see how USB 3.1c will become redundant over lightning since USB 3.1c is capable of so much more. Heck even the iPhone nows still uses usb 2, and look how long thats been around.



Also having the ability to have cross over capability would be a good point for both parties, as you general hear more people switching to mac, than to PC, so i wouldn't see that harming apple at all. Imagine that you have your usb c headphones from your PC or Android device, and now want to enter into the Apple ecosystem... you now have to buy another set of headphones.....This doesn't seem like a good way to win new customers over. So the benefit that it will last even longer than the lightning port since its capable or more and potential attract more customers from other plateforms.

Having one standard port that can do everything to me seems a lot simpler and easier for all consumers. There is no need to worry about whether your new device is compatible with your apple laptop/phone.

There is a standard port today, it's called Bluetooth. These days, I can't even remember the last time I plugged headphones into my iPhone.
 
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There is a standard port today, it's called Bluetooth. These days, I can't even remember the last time I plugged headphones into my iPhone.

And does these wireless headphones offer the same quality as wired headphones?
 
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Sony has been making water resistant phones for many years, and they never needed to remove the 3.5mm jack. How could they do it?
 
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I really think Apple is prematurely doing away with the headphone jack. But it Inshallah something that I just have to make myself accept if I want to get an iPhone 7.

But if apple wants this to work they need to package iPhone 7 with Bluetooth ear phones and not lightening connection. It's like going back to the early 2000s where phone manufacturers like Nokia used a non standard headphone port. That was a huge hassle which is why Nokia winded up adding a standard 3.5mm headphone jack like everyone else.
 
If these stay in for gym/running use I would actually get them. I haven't founda wireless device that stays in though. Four hour battery is a bit of a drag, but I literally only use them when working out, so I could definitely manage, especially if the cse charges them (and hopefully the case is good for a handful of full charges).
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I really think Apple is prematurely doing away with the headphone jack. But it Inshallah something that I just have to make myself accept if I want to get an iPhone 7.

But if apple wants this to work they need to package iPhone 7 with Bluetooth ear phones and not lightening connection. It's like going back to the early 2000s where phone manufacturers like Nokia used a non standard headphone port. That was a huge hassle which is why Nokia winded up adding a standard 3.5mm headphone jack like everyone else.
I don't really see how adding bluetooth buds solves this problem...
 
Fine for me, if they add Bluetooth AptX Lossless. If not, wireless sound is worthless if you're just a little audiophile.
 
Your points are wrong. Macs do not have a proprietary connector. Firewire and thunderbolt (Apple did help with development) are not Apple technologies. They did not replace the floppy and the DVD drive with something proprietary. The only proprietary connectors that Apple introduced are the 30-pin and the the lightning connectors.

Other OEMs will never ditch the analog port -- there is no reason for them to do so. Your core argument is based on fantasy and little electrical signals in your brain which only you believe are the truth.

We can't know that they will never ditch the analog port. We simply can't, Otherwise, I agree though.
[doublepost=1452329713][/doublepost]I just wanted to add that, like many MR threads, this one is rife with terrible analogies. This forum doesn't disappoint lol.
 
According to 9to5Mac, while the earphones are currently under development in preparation for a fall launch, there's a possibility the technology could be delayed due to battery life concerns. The earphones are said to have a battery life under four hours.
Battery life concerns, what a surprise. So Apple is switching to wireless audio but it's not ready yet... This will be a desaster, trust me.
 
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Good enough for me! The real win for me is not having to deal with that wire!

The wire doesn't disappear. You conveniently left out the part of the story, where you have to charge another thing with a different wire. Even Apple's own Beats Studio Wireless come with a USB 2.0 cable and a different charger. Despite the current lack of high quality codec and lip sync, this is another downside.
 
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A lightning to 3.5 mm adapter is all that would be needed. I would gladly give up the 3.5 mm jack for a water resistant phone.
There are water resistant phones with 3.5 mm jack out there. Water resistance is NO reason for dropping the jack, this is just a myth.
 
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There's a chance Apple will remove the 3.5 mm jack, but here no one is sure about it.
There's a chance we will see a different way to connect ear phones, lightning USB-C Bluetooth, 2 out of 3 but nobody is sure about it.
We have who fears this and expresses his doubts, and I can see the point.
We have who's genuinely thrilled for the new possibilities, and I can see the point as expected on a rumors speculations site.
And next we have these phenomenons (with the same knowledge of the real facts as the others) explaining to average mortals why this Apple choice (not eventually happened yet) is better anyway, whatever side you look at it.
 
i think Apple will surprise us with their solution.
First,
24 bit hi-res audio
Second, new 24 bit DAC
Third, the hi-res audio over bluetooth. Because its hi res, it will be of better quality than any wired conventional 16bit could be
Fourth, iTunes store hi-res audio tracks
Fifth, new bluetooth headphones. You can charge em wirelessly or through lightning adaptop for iPhone.
Sixth, IPhone also can be charged wirelessly. both headphones and iphone use same wireless charger.
The wireless new AirPods come free with iPhone 7
they are engineered to deliver stunningly beautiful high res audio
New iPhone delivers great display and much reduced bezels thanks to removing 3.5 mm jack
New larger battery actually increases iphone battery life
Seventh. ipods and iPhone 6C still will come with 3.5 mm headphone jack so you can buy those models if you really need straight 3.5 mm connection.
Eitgth. If you want to use 3.5 mm headphones, you can use ligtning-3.5 mm connection adaptor
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9. Enjoy your new iPhone 7!
 
First of all, the 3.5mm jack has only been around for about 50 years (I know this is semantics, it doesn't really matter how long it's been around, but I hate this misinformation). The ¼ inch jack has been around for a very long time though... About 135 years. And it's not going anywhere: it's used for guitars, patch bays, etc etc. Change for change's sake is not a good argument. As a head of a school music department in the UK, my staff have school iPads, and a mixture of school laptops (Macs/PCs). Most have iPhones, but one has an android device. The way we play music to classes almost invariably involves us plugging one of these devices into the hifi with a 3.5mm jack cable. Having to have an adapter for the vga cable to the projector for our macs is hassle enough already: they're forever getting lost or breaking. If we need one for our phones, the chances are my staff will move over to another platform. Not to mention the fact that we all like our £200/300 in ear headphones (Shure in my case) which we use on the commute to and from work.

This is not like any other one of the changes cited: loss of the dvd drive(although we're still sporting fairly ancient MacBooks because of the convenience of the internal drive for our teaching!), floppy disk etc. This is a standard port, which there is no reason for ditching at the present time. BT Wireless doesn't cut it, and is unlikely to for some time.
 
Interesting development, but 4 hours definitely are a no go.
If that's true, Apple should delay the launch until the technology is more mature.
 
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Interesting development, but 4 hours definitely are a no go.
If that's true, Apple should delay the launch until the technology is more mature.

Most people who use wireless earphones aren't going to listen for more than four hours at a time, plus the case should be capable of four full charges if it's anything like the competition.
 
i think Apple will surprise us with their solution.
First,
24 bit hi-res audio
Second, new 24 bit DAC
Third, the hi-res audio over bluetooth. Because its hi res, it will be of better quality than any wired conventional 16bit could be.

This is a separate argument, but it's been demonstrated many times over in various threads here that 24 bit, at the consumer end, does not offer higher audio quality. At the studio level it offers greater headroom, which is useful. Also, I don't know enough about the technical side of Bluetooth to say this definitively, but I was under the impression that Bluetooth, in its current form, does not even have the throughput to deliver 16-bit lossless. How therefore 24 bit lossless will be delivered (lossless being what it would need to be to be able to arguably be better than wired) is a mystery to me.
 
This is a separate argument, but it's been demonstrated many times over in various threads here that 24 bit, at the consumer end, does not offer higher audio quality. At the studio level it offers greater headroom, which is useful. Also, I don't know enough about the technical side of Bluetooth to say this definitively, but I was under the impression that Bluetooth, in its current form, does not even have the throughput to deliver 16-bit lossless. How therefore 24 bit lossless will be delivered (lossless being what it would need to be to be able to arguably be better than wired) is a mystery to me.

I've considered before Apple using its AirPlay technology for wireless music, as it is capable of lossless delivery.
 
And does these wireless headphones offer the same quality as wired headphones?

Totally and completely depends on the headphones in question.

There are some wired headphones that exist that sound better than some Bluetooth headphones, and there are some Bluetooth headphones that exist that sound better than some wired headphones.

In most cases it's the actual headphones that are the limiting factor in quality, not the method of delivery.
 
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No. Android and Samsung are having the exact same dilemma as Apple. They are running out of space inside their devices to add new features and increase battery life. I would bet that's why Samsung makes so me of the biggest "phablets" on the planet. But they don't have the balls to remove a redundant standard like the 3.5mm jack even though it would help push the industry toward wireless.

So when Apple takes the plunge, a year later you'll see them doing the same thing, albeit they will use mini USB, not Lightning. But the result will be the same.

I think you should go and read some reviews on the battery life of Sony handsets as they are better then the iPhone by miles literally. They also offer a better camera and the same features as Apple apart from the 3D Touch presently. Sony also offer full waterproofing and dust sealing with IP ratings, I believe they will withstand a metre of water for 30 mins.
I am talking about Sony because the OP you replied to did, even Samsung has done waterproof flagships.

Apple aren't going to push the industry towards wireless? It is already available including wireless charging and has been for years, it's a choice the consumer can make, as stated so many times now all this will do is make Apple more profit with licensed headphones and adapters, nothing more, even Arn who is this sites owner has commented stating everything people say a new Lightning port would bring, it already has!

And Samsung will be launching an actual revolution this year in mobile tech, the first bendable screen, which Apple will eventually copy.
 
4 hours eh?

My Sony SBH60 battery life lasts for 13 hours, amazing audio quality, I can use it wirelessly (bluetooth) or with a 3.5 cable, it looks cool (white & silver) and it is so small and it is designed and made in Japan all for 60$

I can't see Apple making such a headphone for less than 299$ and that's just one example.
 
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