? Everything I've ever read has shown that Lightning does not pass analog audio. Also, I was talking about using Lightning headphones with other devices than iPhones, such as current Macs or all other smartphones.
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iPhone 7 May Ship With Lightning-Connected EarPods, New Wireless Earphones Also Under Development
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I know it isn't their style, but this is something that would be best to introduce slowly...
Feel free to include some lightning-equipped headphones with the 7, but leave the jack.
In time, if the feature pans out, move forward.
Feel free to include some lightning-equipped headphones with the 7, but leave the jack.
In time, if the feature pans out, move forward.
Great! Now I'll need to carry an adapter everywhere I go and another for my car, maybe one for the office, plus convince all my friends to buy one so I can share music when at there house.
Great move apple... Changing something that has been a world standard for over 40yrs, is found on all AV equipment new or old and won't change regardless of what iPhone does.
Don't forget people... All mobile phone companies tried to do this back in 00's and then they realized it was a stupid idea! Some things are not meant to change, like reinventing the wheel!
And all this just to lose a millimeter off the phone width... Forget it
Great move apple... Changing something that has been a world standard for over 40yrs, is found on all AV equipment new or old and won't change regardless of what iPhone does.
Don't forget people... All mobile phone companies tried to do this back in 00's and then they realized it was a stupid idea! Some things are not meant to change, like reinventing the wheel!
And all this just to lose a millimeter off the phone width... Forget it
The headphone jack on iPhone is actually the KEY point of loss in sound quality. As I stated, the DAC in iPhone doesn't support 96000/24, so you don't want to use that. Instead you should be using an external DAC that hooks to the iPhone via Lightning, OR (if you're using headphones) use their Bluetooth DAC. And surely you can hear difference if you just have the equipment. No, you might not hear it with the over compressed pop music these days, but try listening to some classical music which spans a lot more frequencies. If you just have a pair of good $500-700 headphones, you will be able to hear a difference. Especially in the top frequencies.
Are those the large over the ear cans? If so, I imagine that's because of the size of the battery in there (that's a good thing). Didn't know we had hit 25 hours though.
I know I shouldn't take the bait, it's possible you actually typed "their" intentionally to troll...in which case, congratulations. For the record, I'm British too. But you're right, there are more important things in life, so let's leave it and focus on the topic. I apologise for having called you out on it in the first place.
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And that was a time when you felt fortunate to even be able to use your phone as an MP3 player!
One of these days maybe Apple is going to change something that makes me react this way.
But one of my cars has both Bluetooth and USB inputs for audio. The other car doesn't have any aux input for audio anyway, so I'd need some kind of costly, inconvenient modification anyway. Most rental cars I've been in lately have USB input at the very least. I never listen to music on the earphones. This is a change that doesn't affect me at all. I get the millimeter thinner phone, with no downside for myself. I know I don't speak for everyone, but plenty of people will be unaffected by this change (if it occurs). And others will not mind having an adapter. Maybe they have one place where the 3.5 mm plug is the only solution that works, and the adapter is no big deal for that one place.
I lived through the loss of dedicated ethernet ports. For a while I needed the adapter, but it's been years since I used it. I lived through the removal of the DVD drive. I have an external one. I share it with my sister, since we almost never need it at the same time. Other "egregious" Apple changes like the single USB port (and no Firewire) on the original MacBook Air, or the single USBC port on the new Retina Macbook don't affect me because I didn't buy either of those computers.
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It's totally Apple's style. DVD drives didn't suddenly disappear from every computer Apple sold. Ports that were missing from the MacBook Air were still available on the MacBook Pro for years. Ethernet ports are a thing of the past, but also of the present on the newest iMacs. It took years from the introduction of the Lightning port for Apple to sell its last device with a 30-pin connector. And who else besides me is waiting for Apple to use the USB C port to power all its notebooks (or even all its phones, too)?
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Here's the only fact we know at this point: Apple wants to sell as many iPhones as possible and Wall Street will be expecting iPhone 7 to sell like no iPhone has sold before. As far as Wall Street is concerned Apple is iPhone, Inc. There is absolutely NO WAY Apple makes a decision like this without data to back it up. 30-pin to lightening was different as both are proprietary. The 3.5mm headphone jack is not. Flagship iPhone is not the product where you see what you can get away with.
Except that it will go. We can all moan and cry 9 months before Apple shows us what it does have under its sleeves. I don't believe for one second Apple will replace it with something inferior. After all, wireless is the next logical step, it is the future and its just a matter of time before it is the main way of listening to the music. Personally never been a big fan of wires around my neck, coming under my t-shirt, jacket, pockets and what not. Not a fan of holes on my phone either. The less, the better.
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Does the ADC connector on the G4/early G5 era Cinema displays count as proprietary? I can't think of anything else that used the ADC port. I have one gathering dust in my living room. It uses a single cable to connect - the cable houses usb, power, and video. It required a pricey graphic card from a very limited selection - both cards I had cooked themselves to death too (revived the last one in the oven). If I was to use it with a dvi or vga port I'd need an adapter (that originally sold for $100).
This whole rumor of removal of the universal and venerable 3.5mm in exchange for a proprietary single all-in-one port (that replaced the 30pin all-in-one) is a little unsettling. The argument that it's age is reason enough for retirement bugs me too. The hypodermic syringe is a 19th century invention. Last I checked my car uses wheels (concept developed in 4th century BCE) with tires (19th century). I would like to see my fossil fuel powered combustion engine replaced - but with something standard and practical.
Updating the 3.5mm isn't necessarily a bad thing. Doing so with a non-standard proprietary Apple port (that will probably be replaced in a few years) isn't a great solution. This feels more like a revenue generating solution as opposed to a problem solving solution. An improved standard that is adopted by a majority of manufacturers would be welcome. It'll be interesting to see what Apple has to show this fall - and how people react.
How about you all quit whining like babies and wait until you see what Apple's solution is.
Y'all be like "That's it I'm gonna switch to Android" or "This is stupid, Apple only gonna make things worse" but the reality of the matter is not one of us knows what is going to happen with iPhone 7 so how about you all stop being so damn pessimistic and quit crying about something you know absolutely nothing about?
Sick of it!
Y'all be like "That's it I'm gonna switch to Android" or "This is stupid, Apple only gonna make things worse" but the reality of the matter is not one of us knows what is going to happen with iPhone 7 so how about you all stop being so damn pessimistic and quit crying about something you know absolutely nothing about?
Sick of it!
Wires are a pain to be sure, but I still prefer it to having to charge my headphones all the bloody time; Until and unless the battery technology in BT headphones improves, I'm sticking with wired.
I have some dusty equipment that might be of interest to youI'm tired of Apple getting rid of the things I know and love. First it was then command line interface. Then floppy drives. Then DVD drives. Now 3.5mm connectors. I'm going to protest and start listening to music on cassettes (TDK and Maxell, baby!), 8-tracks, and reel-to-reel only. Using 1/4-inch headphone jacks!!!
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Then don't read the thread. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Even of things which aren't confirmed.
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What is it with people that they can't stand change. If apple will ship it with earbuds with a lightning connector or a lightning to 3,5 mm adapter, I don' t see the problem. It will allow us to listen to high def sound if you want to spend money on it, or not if you don' t think it is worth it and use the adapter.
You don' t have to buy the wireless earbuds if you don' t want to.
You will get a thinner and lighter phone with less messy cords and inputs.
And I value a thinner and lighter phone.
I even miss my old iPhone 6 vs the 6s I have now. It is noticeably thinner and lighter.
Wireless is the future. Are you also complaining about wifi? Do you want your iPhone to have a Ethernet connection?
You don' t have to buy the wireless earbuds if you don' t want to.
You will get a thinner and lighter phone with less messy cords and inputs.
And I value a thinner and lighter phone.
I even miss my old iPhone 6 vs the 6s I have now. It is noticeably thinner and lighter.
Wireless is the future. Are you also complaining about wifi? Do you want your iPhone to have a Ethernet connection?
It's not just one thread it's all over MR and other sites and will be for the next 8 months at the very least. It's doing my head in already.
You are on a discussion forum and people are discussing their opinions about these rumours. This rumour is quite controversial so some of the opinions are going to be over the top (on both sides of the argument) but there are also a lot of good points being made (on both sides of the argument).
Expect a lot more of it over the next nine months.
It will all come down to the money.
When Apple will include a lightning to 3,5 mm adapter and standard earbuds in the box of the iPhone 7, Or lightning based earbuds. I really don' t see the problem. But if Apple will sell the iPhone without such a solution , and you have to spend extra money for a solution it will harm the public opinion and customer satisfaction more then we can even imagine. Then they will really look like the money grabbing company a lot of people are already implying.It will backfire .
So keeping my fingers crossed....
Next stops for future iPhones :
-no mechanical buttons(including touchid, volume buttons, etc) , but touchscreen controls.
- no more speaker holes( vibration tech through screen)
- no more visible front camera' s and sensors( in screen)
-no more lightning connectors, but wireless charging.
-no more seems between housing and front glass( front glass " melted" in liquidmetal body).
No more holes!
When Apple will include a lightning to 3,5 mm adapter and standard earbuds in the box of the iPhone 7, Or lightning based earbuds. I really don' t see the problem. But if Apple will sell the iPhone without such a solution , and you have to spend extra money for a solution it will harm the public opinion and customer satisfaction more then we can even imagine. Then they will really look like the money grabbing company a lot of people are already implying.It will backfire .
So keeping my fingers crossed....
Next stops for future iPhones :
-no mechanical buttons(including touchid, volume buttons, etc) , but touchscreen controls.
- no more speaker holes( vibration tech through screen)
- no more visible front camera' s and sensors( in screen)
-no more lightning connectors, but wireless charging.
-no more seems between housing and front glass( front glass " melted" in liquidmetal body).
No more holes!
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Now that would be annoying. The vibrate switch is one of the best iPhone features.
seems ridiculous trying to defend all that 3.5 connector legacy.
if Apple will come up with a good new tech solution,
then people that are stuck with primitive audio preferences,
will be forced to step into the future.
why should apple surrender to get stuck technologically??
they will still be the top phone seller don't worry.
people will buy the 7 like crazy and they will adapt to the new tech.
it's like saying - a horse and a carriage is more reliable than that idiotic "engine car"!!
if Apple will come up with a good new tech solution,
then people that are stuck with primitive audio preferences,
will be forced to step into the future.
why should apple surrender to get stuck technologically??
they will still be the top phone seller don't worry.
people will buy the 7 like crazy and they will adapt to the new tech.
it's like saying - a horse and a carriage is more reliable than that idiotic "engine car"!!
Oh yeah. Because Apple never got it wrong before.
It makes you wonder why they thought of re-hiring Steve Jobs in 96 when they were doing so, so well.
Of course these are different times and different people, but everybody can get it wrong from time to time.
Yes, but what would be the problem if you could do that on screen with 3D Touch instead of a mechanical button?
What if the iPhone had a curved screen along the sides of the iPhone and has dedicated software/3D touch buttons for volume, vibrate switcher, reset button, etc.