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It's interesting that Apple excludes AT&T and T-Mobile from the list of supported carriers for the CDMA version of the 7/7+ even though the CDMA version supports all the LTE bands of AT&T and T-Mobile. They didn't do this for their carrier-supported list for the the LTE version of the 6s/6s+, where the LTE version lists all USA carriers as supported (both LTE and CDMA).
 
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Agreed, the obvious choice should be the Verizon or Sprint model so it could be used in any CDMA/GSM network, IF those Verizon or Sprint models are unlocked. Do you know if those come unlocked? i.e. I buy the Verizon or Sprint model and right away in put my T-Mobile chip, will it work?

All Verizon phones with LTE are ALWAYS unlocked. It's the safest choice. You may not be able to order online, but go to the Apple Store on launch day and ask for Verizon "Device Only" and you'll get what you want. And yes, it will work straight away just by putting in your T-mobile SIM.
 
Is the cost-savings of excluding CDMA really great enough to justify the hassle of maintaining yet another manufacturing stream? Hmm. What do I care, as I typically just buy unlocked phones and don't live in the US? Still, it sucks for those people on those networks.
 
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CDMA should no longer exist. It's literally one of the oldest technologies ever, yet companies like Verizon still use them? So goddamn evil.
There are many other international carriers use CDMA.
And as long as LTE is not everywhere, you will need 3G technologies to keep you connected.
Some chose GSM while others chose CDMA in the past. You shouldn't blame them for making a decision back then.
 
Really, it's asinine that they're still making different iPhone models that each support unique cellular bands. This is 2016, not 2006. You'd think we would be moving toward having one iPhone that works seamlessly across all carriers around the globe by now. They seemed to be moving toward that direction with the 6 and 6s, and now they're going back the other way.
 
The following image should help, just grabbed it from the Apple online store for a Sprint phone. There's a row which tells which ones are unlocked and which ones are not. Seems it boils down to how you pay for it.
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Literally just went through this while switching to Verizon 3 hours ago. Although, my wife's AT&T (yes it's capitalized, because that's how it was in the 80s and still should be) iPhone 6s wouldn't register on the Verizon network, contrary to what this article says.
Mine registers just fine. If you did not work with AT&Tingular to have the phone unlocked, then it will not register to any other carrier

https://www.att.com/esupport/article.html#!/wireless/KM1008728

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The other question is if there are technical advantages to the intel chip. It would be nice to have, but I won't want the inferior (if so) Qualcomm chip just to use a carrier I don't need. But if there's no technical advantage, I'd rather have the versatility and better resale value.
 
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Weren't VZW and/or Sprint working on converting their networks over to GSM? I thought I remember something like that once before.

Yes, they're phasing out CDMA but it's going to take another generation of spectrum rollouts before they have enough GSM coverage to eliminate CDMA, esp for the rural areas of the country.
 
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How can this make sense for Apple to create one version that works everywhere, and another version that's limited? It's more inventory to track and it will piss off a lot of people who will buy the TMO or ATT version only to later find out that it won't work when they switch to Verizon.

Stupid. Why not release ONE version for the entire world that supports any network + the Japan Felica chip???

I feel like, as a TMO customer who visits Japan occasionally I'm going to be screwed unless I buy the phone outright the next time I'm in Japan (and hopefully the Japanese version is worldwide GSM/CDMA compatible)

Honestly I expect these types of shenanigans from Sony or Samsung, not Apple.
 
Weren't VZW and/or Sprint working on converting their networks over to GSM? I thought I remember something like that once before.
There is no point converting to GSM as it's an outdated tech just like CDMA. As far as Verizon goes, their plan is to finish VoLTE deployment and once it's all over their network, start shutting down CDMA. Obviously, those with CDMA-only dumb phones and pre-VoLTE smartphones will have to upgrade before that happens.
 
Well that seems like a step backwards, they should have just not used Intel yet.

They need to just release one model that has everything for all regions. No more of this carrier/region specific capabilities or features. Just one phone to rule them all.

I imagine Intel gave Apple a sweetheart deal to get their foot in the door. It only takes a small savings to add up to hundreds of millions dollars for as many phones as Apple makes for the USA market.
 
All Verizon phones with LTE are ALWAYS unlocked. It's the safest choice. You may not be able to order online, but go to the Apple Store on launch day and ask for Verizon "Device Only" and you'll get what you want. And yes, it will work straight away just by putting in your T-mobile SIM.

Would the Verizon version work on AT&T as well?
 
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All Verizon phones with LTE are ALWAYS unlocked. It's the safest choice. You may not be able to order online, but go to the Apple Store on launch day and ask for Verizon "Device Only" and you'll get what you want. And yes, it will work straight away just by putting in your T-mobile SIM.
I just went the the online store and selected a Sprint phone, just to find out. It seems you can also get a Sprint unlocked, it all depends on how you pay for it, based on that chart. I published it in another post in this thread. Thanks.
 
Is the cost-savings of excluding CDMA really great enough to justify the hassle of maintaining yet another manufacturing stream? Hmm. What do I care, as I typically just buy unlocked phones and don't live in the US? Still, it sucks for those people on those networks.

I'd guess it's more about Apple getting competition between 2 vendors for lower modem prices overall. The Intel modem is less capable, but they can just put it in the phones that most people will never use on a CDMA network anyway.
 
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