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yeah, i was being snide with that comment earlier.. sorry.
my daughter has an 8+ and i can tell a difference (in weight) between it and the previous plus models.

personally, i like it like that*.. she says she likes how it feels better as well (she's 11).
but yes, we are just two people.. i don't expect everybody else should feel the same way.


*however, as my daily carry.. i wouldn't want a plus.. it's both too heavy and too big imo.. it does feel nice when i occasionally pick it up though.. maybe i just like it at those times because it feels different than what i'm used to.. a 6s


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idk.. you say you're getting iPhone X.. i suspect once the time comes that you actually have it, this 6 vs 8+ thing will be a distant worry ;)

I agree about the size of the Plus. Which is why I'm moving to the small bezeled phone. I want the screen size without the added physical size. The X gives me that, but comes with its own unfortunate compromises...
 
The design is without question old. Bezels are out. LG and Samsung lead in design of smartphones next to Apple. The transition is well underway.

Google can do whatever they want: they are terrible at design, so it's not surprising.

The fact that Apple has made a "bezel-less" iPhone as in the iPhone X and publicly stated that this is the phone they've been wanting for years in terms of an all screen phone... and that this is the future... along with Samsung miniaturizing their bezels in the Galaxy line... and LG in their flagship, etc... puts to rest any proposition that large bezels on a mobile device is not old design and dated.

And it's all for good reason: the larger the screen to body ratio, the smaller the physical body of the device can be made in relation to the screen size.

Imagine if Samsung just stayed with the old design of the previous Note on the left, and put glass on the back, along with bumping up the internal specs and calling it "revolutionary", "magical", a "brand new, redesigned smartphone!". It's absurd.

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Here's LG's flagship smartphone... (there's no turning back, bezels are dead):

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I actually think the phone on the left looks better than the ‘full screen’ one on the right. :rolleyes: What’s so wrong about bezels?! I just don’t get it. Some people act like they’re the most disgusting thing. It’s just a part of the phone, and they give me something to touch when I don’t wanna touch the screen. :p
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I am 6'1" and 200 pounds, and fit. I noticed the difference in weight right away testing it. It is noticeably heavier. There is a wide gamut of people out there that will need to use this, and the phone at this point feels heavy. It's not just that it's heavier, the large physical size of the phone combined with the increased weight causes the lever with one handed holding to increase the torque required to hold it at the joint(s). Thus, with such a large physical phone, increasing the weight exacerbates the increased torque at the joint(s) in a way that is amplified.

And like it's only me bringing this up...

"Other than this, and the fact that you now get wireless charging to the Qi standard (another benefit to a glass rear), the phone is now noticeably heavier than last time."

http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/appl...aster-better-but-essentially-more-of-the-same

"The iPhone 8 Plus is... 14g heavier than the iPhone 7 Plus, 10g heavier than the iPhone 6S Plus and 30g heavier than the iPhone 6 Plus. At a total weight of 202g the iPhone 8 Plus feels pretty heavy, with only the Samsung Galaxy Note 8 with its colossal 6.3in screen coming anywhere near at 195g. Most rivals weigh around 160g.

Like its smaller non-Plus sibling, the design of the iPhone 8 Plus has barely changed since it was introduced in 2014 with the iPhone 6 Plus, but it has aged worse. The iPhone 6 Plus was thin but relatively wide and tall for a smartphone with a 5.5in screen in 2014, with big bezels and a chunky top and bottom."

http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/appl...aster-better-but-essentially-more-of-the-same

"Very heavy
Boring design"


http://www.trustedreviews.com/reviews/iphone-8-plus
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Interestingly, the chunky bezeled iPhone 8 / 8 Plus is not a "cheap" phone. It's one of the of the most expensive phones...

Can I just ask why you made this thread? You’ve stated you’re getting an X, so where’s the sense in bashing the 8/8+? What’s the point? Can’t you just go be excited about the X?
 
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The design is without question old. Bezels are out. LG and Samsung lead in design of smartphones next to Apple. The transition is well underway.

Google can do whatever they want: they are terrible at design, so it's not surprising.

The fact that Apple has made a "bezel-less" iPhone as in the iPhone X and publicly stated that this is the phone they've been wanting for years in terms of an all screen phone... and that this is the future... along with Samsung miniaturizing their bezels in the Galaxy line... and LG in their flagship, etc... puts to rest any proposition that large bezels on a mobile device is not old design and dated.

And it's all for good reason: the larger the screen to body ratio, the smaller the physical body of the device can be made in relation to the screen size.

Imagine if Samsung just stayed with the old design of the previous Note on the left, and put glass on the back, along with bumping up the internal specs and calling it "revolutionary", "magical", a "brand new, redesigned smartphone!". It's absurd.

galaxy-note-8-vs-galaxy-note-5-8.jpg


Here's LG's flagship smartphone... (there's no turning back, bezels are dead):

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I still see bezels.
 
6 and 6 Plus has been a joke since launch. Anyone who used the 6 and upgraded to the 6s or 7 gets it. The processor in the 8 is an absolute beast. You can complain that the 8 looks the the same as the 6 and you would be right but performance is night and day.

6 plus wasn’t a joke it was perfect up until now. Now 6 plus has become slow, but 6s is still now that slow. I had no complaints about 6 plus performance when it was launched. But if you compare now with 8 yes its a big difference.

Update: Just used 6 Plus to see how slow it has become but YouTube is working fast plus the videos in stock browser are also working fine. IPhones are really reliable i can easily use it for everyday use.
 
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6 and 6 Plus has been a joke since launch. Anyone who used the 6 and upgraded to the 6s or 7 gets it. The processor in the 8 is an absolute beast. You can complain that the 8 looks the the same as the 6 and you would be right but performance is night and day.

The 6 yes but the 6S which still holds up great.
 
On a tech site, weight and thickness seems like it's such a huge factor when using an iPhone of a 5.5 inch size. But in the real world with non-tech users who upgrade their iPhones annually or biannually, most never notice the marginal weight or thickness differences.

I still think we need to realize how thin and light weight phones have become overtime. Not to mention, all the technology that is incorporated into an iPhone, is well worth the extra weight knowingly what these phones can do today.
 
On a tech site, weight and thickness seems like it's such a huge factor when using an iPhone of a 5.5 inch size. But in the real world with non-tech users who upgrade their iPhones annually or biannually, most never notice the marginal weight or thickness differences.

I still think we need to realize how thin and light weight phones have become overtime. Not to mention, all the technology that is incorporated into an iPhone, is well worth the extra weight knowingly what these phones can do today.

It’s kind of ironic tbh. For years people complained about wanting a thicker phone and “Apple only thinks about making iPhones thinner and thinner.” And for the last 3 generations, it’s progressively gotten thicker. Now people complain about the increase in thickness and weight. Haha, can’t win.
 
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As far as the thickness and weight - it sounds overly simplistic, but you really do just get used to it. I went from a 7 to and 8 Plus, and the additional heft was a bit weird at first but felt normal in 2 days. My iPhone 7 - which I kept - now feels really small, really light, and frankly cheap by comparison.

The 6 Plus was borderline underpowered from the Factory. While the 8 Plus isn’t much of an upgrade from the 7 Plus, it’s a huge upgrade from the 6 Plus. The speed really is incredible.

The design is what it is. I happen to think this design (6, 6S, 7, 8) is the best one so I don’t mind them keeping it around. Luckily too, the 8/8 Plus generation of phones is the best looking version of it.

Like others have said, if you don’t like it don’t buy it. Like all other Apple products, it’s a fantastic product and isn’t a “joke” as you suggest.
 
I actually think the phone on the left looks better than the ‘full screen’ one on the right. :rolleyes: What’s so wrong about bezels?! I just don’t get it. Some people act like they’re the most disgusting thing. It’s just a part of the phone, and they give me something to touch when I don’t wanna touch the screen. :p
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Can I just ask why you made this thread? You’ve stated you’re getting an X, so where’s the sense in bashing the 8/8+? What’s the point? Can’t you just go be excited about the X?

What's wrong with bezels? I guess it bears repeating. This is not subjective. Bezels unnecessarily increase the physical size of the device, which can compromise usability.

Smartphones are particularly the types of devices where screen-to-body ratio is an objective, important design factor. We are at a point where we can pack larger screens into small, pocketable devices. By staying with old bezels, while the screens get bigger, the devices become unnecessarily large and to the detriment of usability (e.g., one handed holding/use; use in general; pocketability, etc.).

Again, the fact that Apple has publicly announced that the iPhone X is the future, and that they've wanted to make an all screen, bezeless phone for years, puts the nail in any bezel coffin. In other words, whether you like it or not, bezels are dead. They're dead to the industry. Dead to Apple. Dead to consumers. They're superfluous. They're on the way out. Within a year pretty much all flagship smartphones will have small bezels like Samsung's and LG's current flagships.

Does a person need some kind of bezel to deal with fingers holding onto the device so the screen and user interface elements aren't obstructed? Turns out that all you need is something very thin, like on the X. Apple also does a good job regarding the bezels on the sides of the new generation iPads, which make the original, first generation iPad look and feel extremely dated.

Now, getting to the "top" and "bottom" of devices. This is where Apple is extremely dated on the iPhone 8... the forehead and chin are horribly bulky and chunky. A person does not need that much bezel to hold the device in their hands without affecting the usability of the software on the device. Neither does a person need such large bezels on the forehead and chin of the iPads.

Apple knows this too, but they have no choice. They have no choice because the technology doesn't exist to put sensors, cameras, and other components in the screen in a way that is transparent, which would negate the need to have any kind of bezel on the top and bottom, or notch.

So they balance it out by putting fatter bezels on the top and bottom (the bottom is largely superfluous, as they're no sensors there).

With the iPhone X, they broke away from symmetry and balance, ergo the notch. The notch, for this reason, creates imbalance to the design, which isn't good. But it's what they decided to do.

I am close to absolute certainty that Steve Jobs would have gotten Apple to a point where it could embed the sensors and camera into the screen with transparent components. Or at least would have miniaturized the components to fit them into a razor thin bezel/frame on the iPhone X. And that he would have never released a device like the X with a notch: it would have simply been a prototype. There would be nothing there, just all screen.

Steve led Apple to something similar in the development of the very first iPhone. He got the touch sensor grid required for the screens of the multi-touch iPhones to be transparent and densely packed. This feat of engineering has been far too understated in my opinion: it was a breakthrough that served as the foundation for multi-touch, and how the device worked. Prior to this, the touch grids in screens were no where near as densely packed and effectively had visible wires, like you see in your back car window for defrost.

Apple was awarded a patent for such a transparent capacitive layer in and around 2012.

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It's incredible that the glass screen of an iPhone or iPad is jammed packed with a grid of wires that you really can't see when you use the device: but they're there.

If anyone has an HP TouchPad, which came out after the first iPad in July, 2011, it's touchscreen technology pales in comparison to Apple's. It simply has metal dots in the glass that you can see at the right angle and with the right lighting. The dots form a grid in a way. But because they're spaced so far apart, the precision of the multi-touch is not good in comparison to Apple (your finger has to pass over one of the dots for a touch to register).

Image original link: https://gizmodo.com/5473866/apple-now-has-a-patent-on-their-capacitive-multitouch-displays
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You say bezels are dead but now they're substantially smaller. Which one is it?

They are dead. They're getting substantially smaller.
 
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Like others have said, if you don’t like it don’t buy it. Like all other Apple products, it’s a fantastic product and isn’t a “joke” as you suggest.


Well, if it is a joke then the joke was on me today. Went through to Glasgow to buy one ( Space Grey) to replace my iPhone 5 bought on the launch day way back ) only to find that that particular phone is out of stock in every Apple Store in Scotland. Went back to check online tonight and the Rose Gold has gone the same way ! Not bad for a "joke" ...

Seriously though, what don't folk get about a proven design with a Ferarri for a processor ? I thought about the 7 but with iPhone payments the difference over the 20 months was £24 !!!! For me, I'll only change my new phone when Apple stop supporting it. The 8 has basically the same processor as the X. How many years will it be before Apple stop supporting the flagship X given the processor won't be taxed by anything in the next four or five years? Six? Seven maybe?
 
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Performance is certainly better on the 8. However, the 6 Plus is very capable. Watching Netflix, YouTube, surfing the Web... this is all pretty much on par.
[doublepost=1508030645][/doublepost]I'm interested to hear from anyone who has compared the feel of the 6 Plus to the 8 Plus, because of how much heavier and thicker the 8 Plus is. This is one major reason why I will never buy the 8 Plus due to its heaviness. Of note, the iPhone X is effectively the same weight as the 6 Plus.

If that is your argument, my original iPad still does Netflix, YouTube and web surfing just fine. Your complaint is silly. I went from the 6 Plus to the 8 Plus yesterday. I am liking the speed. Yes, the design is boring, but so is iOS. And to me, boring is good in this case. I rather have something boring that works (my iPhone 6 Plus lasted like three years) than have something insane that craps out in 8 months like a Samsung phone.
 
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As much as I've been an Applefanboy, I somewhat agree with OP's point. IMO if Steve J. saw Apple Store's homepage emblazoned first with iPhone 8 "A new generation of iPhone", he likely wouldn't be %100 satisfied with the optics. This overall iPhone form factor has been stretched way too many iterations, and iPhone 8 spec bumps wouldn't meet Steve's standards of a new generation iPhone (he'd probably be pissed about the 8 being marginally thicker and heavier). I'm only ranting on this thread because my in-laws (i.e. laypersons from baby boomer Gen) couldn't tell the difference between using the iPhone 7 plus and 8 plus other than the glass backing. To me, Apple shouldn't get over $1,000 of my money for the iPhone 8 Plus 256 (especially after nixing the 128GB model), so I am sticking with my 2 year old 6S Plus 128GB for now.
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My sister noticed very little difference in weight between her 6s Plus and her 8 Plus. Maybe some weight training is in order? :)

This reply is intended as humor. Thank you.
 
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The A10 and A11 are great. The apps just don’t exist yet to take real advantage of them.

And they wont be for a long time since Apple supports devices for a very long time and they are slowly but surely drifting into the android territory with too many devices and the lack of interest by devs to update their apps for each and every iOS device. Just look at the iPad Pro. Barely any apps that really take advantage of the horse power OR the screen. Quite a few of my apps are still a bit blurry on my iPad 10.5
 
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Coming from a long-time iPhone user, and current iPhone 6 Plus user who has been using the 6 Plus since it launched, iPhone 8 / 8 Plus is ridiculous. I'll focus on the 8 Plus.

Yes, it's faster than previous generations and has a better camera, all good things. And we all expect that. Other than that, it's a joke because this is what a company with billions and billions of dollars and thousands of engineers pump out. I know the iPhone X is coming, but the jury is out on that.

For the first time today, I demo'd an iPhone 8 Plus. I had my 6 Plus next to it, comparing them both in terms of App launching speeds, and the way each device looks and feels, etc.

The iPhone 8 Plus is a TANK compared to the 6 Plus.

iPhone 6 Plus:
172 grams
7.1 mm thick


iPhone 8 Plus:
202 grams
7.5 mm thick


The difference in thickness and weight makes a difference holding and handling the devices. The 6 Plus feels light as a feather comparatively: much better in the hand.

Overall, the design of the 8 Plus is exactly the same as the 6 Plus other than the camera and a few other minor things. Is there any compelling reason to upgrade for a 6 Plus owner like me? Not much.

  • I get Apple Pay with my 6 Plus.
  • The same size screen as the 8 Plus.
  • Still fairly capable processing power.
  • TouchID, etc., etc.

I was thinking that Apple just did the iPhone 8 as a sort of "older" model with some nice spec bumps for people to buy as a cheaper option than the X. But in the end, they really are marketing the 8 as a "new, redesigned phone" that people should run out to buy. For instance, they've kept the 7 around, and other older phones, so these latter are the "old" phones now, not the 8 / 8 Plus. And launched this one first before the X.

For a company like Apple to spend a bunch of time and money and marketing focus and effort on a phone that effectively is the same design as a several year old iPhone is absurd.

It's like Tim Cook is afraid to retool machines. Like they just can't innovate past their balance sheet. We have all of these "old" products laying around still selling, like the several iPhones still selling or the MacBook Air with 20th Century screen resolution. The iPhone 8 / 8 Plus is an expression of the new Apple. In with the old, marry it with what we call the "new".

Oh those bezels Apple, those massive bezels. The iPhone 8 / 8 Plus has no reason to live. You put yourself out there and made the iPhone X. If that's what you believe in, then that should be the only new phone we're looking at and the direction you want consumers to go.

Now, we have phones you're peddling like the 8 Plus that have TouchID, something the X doesn't have.

It's getting more and more fragmented in Cupertino.
“They better not thin my phone, I want battery!!”

“Apple is horrible, they thickened my phone!! AND only updated the internals to levels far beyond my previous phone!! If it doesn’t look different, how will anybody know I spent money!?! Rawrrrrd!”
 
Performance is certainly better on the 8. However, the 6 Plus is very capable. Watching Netflix, YouTube, surfing the Web... this is all pretty much on par.
[doublepost=1508030645][/doublepost]I'm interested to hear from anyone who has compared the feel of the 6 Plus to the 8 Plus, because of how much heavier and thicker the 8 Plus is. This is one major reason why I will never buy the 8 Plus due to its heaviness. Of note, the iPhone X is effectively the same weight as the 6 Plus.
Came from a crippled 6+ to this 8+ 256gb. I have zero problems with the additional weight...feels more robust and durable than my bent 6+. The huge performance increase supremely negates any complaints about weight. That said, disappointed in the old, overused design tho....
 
I'm sorry but I came from a 6 Plus, had it for three years and it was already gimped from the start. Couldn't even properly load third party keyboards due to ram deficiency. It was the only iPhone I got rid of before it reached its final iOS version, running iOS 11 on it was a horrible experience.

I replaced it with an iPhone 8 and I must say, although it looks the same a 4 generations ago it's a whole new experience to use. The big advantage is that as a 4th iteration it's just an incredibly robust a day reliable phone. This is the phone that the 6 should've been in 2014.
 
Well, if it is a joke then the joke was on me today. Went through to Glasgow to buy one ( Space Grey) to replace my iPhone 5 bought on the launch day way back ) only to find that that particular phone is out of stock in every Apple Store in Scotland. Went back to check online tonight and the Rose Gold has gone the same way ! Not bad for a "joke" ...

Seriously though, what don't folk get about a proven design with a Ferarri for a processor ? I thought about the 7 but with iPhone payments the difference over the 20 months was £24 !!!! For me, I'll only change my new phone when Apple stop supporting it. The 8 has basically the same processor as the X. How many years will it be before Apple stop supporting the flagship X given the processor won't be taxed by anything in the next four or five years? Six? Seven maybe?

Interesting, seeing as how there is some rumblings that the iPhone 7 is selling better than the 8...

http://macdailynews.com/2017/10/16/analyst-apples-iphone-7-is-outselling-iphone-8/
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As much as I've been an Applefanboy, I somewhat agree with OP's point. IMO if Steve J. saw Apple Store's homepage emblazoned first with iPhone 8 "A new generation of iPhone", he likely wouldn't be %100 satisfied with the optics. This overall iPhone form factor has been stretched way too many iterations, and iPhone 8 spec bumps wouldn't meet Steve's standards of a new generation iPhone (he'd probably be pissed about the 8 being marginally thicker and heavier). I'm only ranting on this thread because my in-laws (i.e. laypersons from baby boomer Gen) couldn't tell the difference between using the iPhone 7 plus and 8 plus other than the glass backing. To me, Apple shouldn't get over $1,000 of my money for the iPhone 8 Plus 256 (especially after nixing the 128GB model), so I am sticking with my 2 year old 6S Plus 128GB for now.
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Agreed in all respects.
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And they wont be for a long time since Apple supports devices for a very long time and they are slowly but surely drifting into the android territory with too many devices and the lack of interest by devs to update their apps for each and every iOS device. Just look at the iPad Pro. Barely any apps that really take advantage of the horse power OR the screen. Quite a few of my apps are still a bit blurry on my iPad 10.5

This is what I was discussing before... by hanging on to old devices and people buying them, fragmentation results. Apple needs to ditch the old iPhones, get on with life, and usher in the new tech. Many more people would buy the new phones if Apple took most of the cheaper options away. At this point, there are far too many old iPhones still being sold by Apple.

  • W1 chip: not in old iPhones. Has major implications for people buying new Beats bluetooth headphones.
  • ARKIT: only available on newer iPhones. All the new ARKIT-driven Apps are no goes on the old phones.
  • FaceID: only available on the iPhone X. Complete fragmentation here.
  • Newer Bluetooth 5 with much better range and bandwidth: only available on newer phones. Has implications for peripheral connectivity.
  • Wireless charging: not available on older phones.
  • Etc. etc...
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“They better not thin my phone, I want battery!!”

“Apple is horrible, they thickened my phone!! AND only updated the internals to levels far beyond my previous phone!! If it doesn’t look different, how will anybody know I spent money!?! Rawrrrrd!”

The iPhone 8 Plus has a smaller battery than the iPhone 6 Plus.
 
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6 and 6 Plus has been a joke since launch. Anyone who used the 6 and upgraded to the 6s or 7 gets it. The processor in the 8 is an absolute beast. You can complain that the 8 looks the the same as the 6 and you would be right but performance is night and day.
i was on 6+ from 2014, and it sucked. overall slugishness of the phone is obvious, and ios 10 basically crippled it.
moved to SE (which has 6s internals) - and man this thing flies.
 
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