iPhone 8 Exclusive: Apple's Biggest Changes Revealed

[joeblow7777]

They are really not that expensive for what they do, I use mine daily and couldn't be happier. There are always people who complain about something, it happened with the 30 pin connector removal it's more recently happened with the Touch Bar on the MacBook Pro's, it happens every time and then it blows over and people embrace it until the next time when it starts all over again.
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If it does remain it will have to be in a software function since the physical button will probably be gone. Maybe they have found a way to put it under the display, as long as it doesn't end up on the back of the iPhone I'll be happy. The iPhone 8 is going to be great I'm looking forward to it

I can't speak to the Touch Bar, but the 30-pin connector was replaced with something obviously better. That's my point. Apologists seem to keep glossing over the fact that removing the headphone jack added nothing that wasn't already there. Some say it was for the water resistance, but other phones have managed that with the jack.

Anyway, dead horse. I know that the jack is gone and it's not coming back. I even have a perfectly good set of $25 bluetooth earbuds.

 

[Dave245]

I can't speak to the Touch Bar, but the 30-pin connector was replaced with something obviously better. That's my point. Apologists seem to keep glossing over the fact that removing the headphone jack added nothing that wasn't already there. Some say it was for the water resistance, but other phones have managed that with the jack.

Anyway, dead horse. I know that the jack is gone and it's not coming back. I even have a perfectly good set of $25 bluetooth earbuds.

The Touch Bar is handy for certain things like editing in Final Cut, i don't personally own one of the new MacBook Pro's but a friend brought one a while back and likes the Touch Bar when editing, i've seen it in person and it can help save time but in order to do that it did remove the physical function keys (tho they are available on the Touch Bar).

I get your point that they removed the headphone jack and some people are not happy about it, my point is that it's about transition and getting use to new things, if Apple kept everything the same all the while nothing would move forward, i haven't initially liked everything they have done, i was a bit worried at first about the removal of the headphone jack when it was announced but i brought the AirPods and i can see where they are coming from. That's not to say that everyone will agree with me of course they won't and i don't expect that.

I'm far from an apologist tho i can just see where they are coming from. I like their products and i buy them, if i didn't i wouldn't buy them. Apple have to earn my brand loyalty and so far they have done so.

 

[tarsins]

Saw Forbes. Didn't click.

 

[Ralfi]

That website ruins Chrome on the iPad.

Hoping all of it's true, but trust aint high.

I may need to forgo sleep to watch the Apple presentation this year for the first time. Very eager to see this iPhone Pro(?) unveiled.

 

[5105973]

Saw Forbes. Didn't click.

??? Why not? I clicked and saw the article and nothing bad happened so far as I could see.

I like the look of that render. It's gorgeous. And beautifully sensibly flat. I love flat. I want to hug Jony and/or Tim or whoever made the call to give it a nice flat display.

I love my S8+ for lots of reasons but not for the edges. In fact if I can find a way to trade my S8+ for a nice durable flat-displayed S8 Active I will give some serious thought to making that switch, so I can continue to enjoy my S8 benefits without dealing with stupid fragile edges.

Anyway, even if that's only close but not exact, it's looking to be on the right track on me. The back camera bump is always going to look a little funky, but in a cute funky way, not "OMG, I want to hurl this abomination across the room" funky. At least in my opinion.

 

[9594864]

Which you could continue to do even with a headphone jack, of course.

I also have a set of Bluetooth earbuds, but a bunch of traditional wired ones as well, which come in handy when my wireless ones need charging.

I don't want to rant about this all over again. It's a dead horse, but all I can see is that Apple took away a feature and didn't add anything.

They added plenty. You're simply unaware. I can explain it to you if you want.
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I think it will be added to either the power button or something like that, it won't be a physical button because of the less bezel design, there is talk of a function area that sits at the bottom so maybe it could be added to that.

Consider for a moment Touch ID being in the power button. How many people will accidentally turn the display off when they go to use Touch ID?


It's not going to be on the power button.

 

[joeblow7777]

They added plenty. You're simply unaware. I can explain it to you if you want.

I'm aware of all of the iPhone 7's features, but you'll be hard pressed to prove that they needed to remove the headphone jack in order to incorporate them.

But as I've said a few times already, this is a long dead argument. The headphone jack is gone. It's not coming back. You're not going to convince me or others like me that it was a good or necessary move for consumers, and I'm not going to convince you or others like you that it wasn't.

 

[9594864]

I'm aware of all of the iPhone 7's features, but you'll be hard pressed to prove that they needed to remove the headphone jack in order to incorporate them.

But as I've said a few times already, this is a long dead argument. The headphone jack is gone. It's not coming back. You're not going to convince me or others like me that it was a good or necessary move for consumers, and I'm not going to convince you or others like you that it wasn't.

The iPhone 8 has features that are thanks to the removal of the headphone jack. The headphone jack took substantial internal space inside the device. It was not to enhance water resistance, that was merely a byproduct of its removal. The purpose was to gain insanely valuable internal space. This space has given Apple engineers the ability to re-architect the internal design which left the iPhone 7 with a larger Taptic Engine and battery, but leave the iPhone 8 with even more, because in the iPhone 8 they have re-architected the entire interior, and while I do not know how exactly, I've seen a schematic that very well could be accurate, and this schematic shows two speakers at the bottom of the device, on either side of the lightning port. I know this seems trivial and unnecessary, but if this is true then what they've done is taken the single very very large speaker on the right side of the device, and split it into two smaller speakers, thanks in-part to the removal of the headphone jack. What this allows them to do is add the L-shaped battery, which substantially increases the battery life, either counteracting the extra usage from increased pixel density and the larger display, or increasing it further still, irrespective of that.


My point is this: you may not know what the removal of the headphone jack gained customers, but that doesn't mean it didn't gain them everything, and by everything, I mean the ability to even do this iPhone, in a manner of speaking.

 

[joeblow7777]

The iPhone 8 has features that are thanks to the removal of the headphone jack. The headphone jack took substantial internal space inside the device. It was not to enhance water resistance, that was merely a byproduct of its removal. The purpose was to gain insanely valuable internal space. This space has given Apple engineers the ability to re-architect the internal design which left the iPhone 7 with a larger Taptic Engine and battery, but leave the iPhone 8 with even more, because in the iPhone 8 they have re-architected the entire interior, and while I do not know how exactly, I've seen a schematic that very well could be accurate, and this schematic shows two speakers at the bottom of the device, on either side of the lightning port. I know this seems trivial and unnecessary, but if this is true then what they've done is taken the single very very large speaker on the right side of the device, and split it into two smaller speakers, thanks in-part to the removal of the headphone jack. What this allows them to do is add the L-shaped battery, which substantially increases the battery life, either counteracting the extra usage from increased pixel density and the larger display, or increasing it further still, irrespective of that.


My point is this: you may not know what the removal of the headphone jack gained customers, but that doesn't mean it didn't gain them everything, and by everything, I mean the ability to even do this iPhone, in a manner of speaking.

You're not saying anything I haven't already heard. Nor are you convincing me. Again, old argument. Let's agree to disagree and forget about it.

 

[9594864]

You're not saying anything I haven't already heard. Nor are you convincing me. Again, old argument. Let's agree to disagree and forget about it.

I know for a fact that everything I said you haven't heard because I know for a fact that I'm the only person who's suggested that concerning the iPhone 8.

Not sure how you disagree after I present logic

 

[joeblow7777]

I know for a fact that everything I said you haven't heard because I know for a fact that I'm the only person who's suggested that concerning the iPhone 8.

Not sure how you disagree after I present logic

I meant the things about it freeing up space in the 7. Anything you said about the 8 is speculation, and obviously wouldn't apply to the 7 anyway, which is what we're talking about, so I disregarded it.
I disagree because the internal space argument is Apple's rationale, so none of us who aren't Apple engineers really know if they could have worked around it, even if by just making the phone slightly thicker.

But anyway, agree to disagree. You're happy with the change, and I've accepted it, so why are we still going on about it? You're never going to get everyone on the internet to share your opinion about anything. You must be new to the internet if this is the first time that your logic hasn't changed someone's mind.

 

[9594864]

I meant the things about it freeing up space in the 7. Anything you said about the 8 is speculation, and obviously wouldn't apply to the 7 anyway, which is what we're talking about, so I disregarded it.
I disagree because the internal space argument is Apple's rationale, so none of us who aren't Apple engineers really know if they could have worked around it, even if by just making the phone slightly thicker.

But anyway, agree to disagree. You're happy with the change, and I've accepted it, so why are we still going on about it? You're never going to get everyone on the internet to share your opinion about anything. You must be new to the internet if this is the first time that your logic hasn't changed someone's mind.

That's the downfall of the human brain. Once locked into a belief, no matter how much logic and evidence I give you, your brain won't allow the truth to rewrite what you believe. Oh well. The only thing I'll agree to is that I love the human brain despite its downfalls...complex beyond imagination.

 

[Gathomblipoob]

I love the human brain despite its downfalls...complex beyond imagination.

And fallible. Even yours.

 

[44267547]

That's the downfall of the human brain. Once locked into a belief, no matter how much logic and evidence I give you, your brain won't allow the truth to rewrite what you believe. Oh well. The only thing I'll agree to is that I love the human brain despite its downfalls...complex beyond imagination.

Part of logic, is also being open minded to others opinions and views. If someone closes the path of another theory or explanation from someone else, then you severely limit your mindset based on only what you think know. Translation: in the sense of discussing rumors and speculation about an unreleased iPhone, seeing and understanding multi faceted thoughts from others, opens someone's mind to think "That could happen" or "Why wouldn't that happen." Ultimately, which creates discussions based on differing opinions or theories.

 

[weckart]

The iPhone 8 has features that are thanks to the removal of the headphone jack. The headphone jack took substantial internal space inside the device.

Meretricious BS argument as Samsung et al have shown. Apple removed the headphone jack for one reason and one reason only. To carry on making its phones stupidly and unergonomically thin. So that we can spend more money on expensive cases to protect their compromised structural integrity and make them actually comfortable to hold. Having to buy expensive earphones on top is just the cherry on Apple's penny pinching cake.

The Stockholm Syndrome masquerading as insight is way off the scale here.

 

[joeblow7777]

That's the downfall of the human brain. Once locked into a belief, no matter how much logic and evidence I give you, your brain won't allow the truth to rewrite what you believe. Oh well. The only thing I'll agree to is that I love the human brain despite its downfalls...complex beyond imagination.

Your brain is no different, my friend. In every argument, both sides are sure that their logic is infallible and it's some flaw or limitation of the understanding of their oponnent that prevents them from seeing that you're right and they're wrong. The truth usually falls somewhere in between both positions.

So try not to be arrogant and condescending. I'm sure that you didn't intend to be, but you were.

 

[44267547]

Meretricious BS argument as Samsung et al have shown. Apple removed the headphone jack for one reason and one reason only. To carry on making its phones stupidly and unergonomically thin. So that we can spend more money on expensive cases to protect their compromised structural integrity and make them actually comfortable to hold. Having to buy expensive earphones on top is just the cherry on Apple's penny pinching cake.

The Stockholm Syndrome masquerading as insight is way off the scale here.

Your argument is that they removed the headphone jack because they wanted to make the phone thinner, so that way they force the consumer to purchase more cases because it's difficult to hold? It appears you're putting your frustration over logic.

And The iPhone 6s and iPhone 7 have the exact same thickness at 7.1 mm thick for the 6s and the 6s Plus and 7 Plus are both 7.3 MM thick . So that would make your theory incorrect about the iPhone being any thinner, because it's not.

I Guarantee Apple Apple did not remove the headphone jack just to make the iPhone thinner as you're making it sound, like its their ultimate goal. Apple's goal in with removing the headphone jack, was introducing the AirPods on how they view the future being wireless.

And Apple did not and cannot force anybody to purchase the AirPods. Apple provided the adapter for those who did have wired earphones. They still provide an alternative with an adapter when I did not have to.

 

[joeblow7777]

I so did not intend to start another headphone jack debate.

 

[T-Bob]

It might be better asking first why replace the home button with the touchy one. Was it just to stop the button failing? I'd imagine the butterfly keyboard failure rate is way higher and more expensive than older iPhones that had their buttons fail within warranty (could be wrong).

So now you have that flat thing, the next argument is its quite useless without big bertha haptic engine to give it a tactile response. How do you fit bertha? Well we have to nix the jack or make changes elsewhere to fit it.

Is the new home button worth it? Well its not bad certainly, but seems like a very short cycle if its going next gen.

Like the jack, I don't think they needed to remove it for water resistance either as we've seen in other devices.

 

[nfilg]

"Sharp Aquos S2 leaks with 4K bezel-less display, under-glass fingerprint sensor - The device is set to be made official next month - August 8 to be precise." That color for the asian market maybe.

http://www.gsmarena.com/sharp_aquos..._underglass_fingerprint_sensor-news-26392.php

 

[T-Bob]

"Sharp Aquos S2 leaks with 4K bezel-less display, under-glass fingerprint sensor - The device is set to be made official next month - August 8 to be precise." That color for the asian market maybe.

http://www.gsmarena.com/sharp_aquos..._underglass_fingerprint_sensor-news-26392.php

And then you see:

So if photo is the phone, seems like they didn't put sensor under screen after all.

 

[9594864]

Part of logic, is also being open minded to others opinions and views. If someone closes the path of another theory or explanation from someone else, then you severely limit your mindset based on only what you think know. Translation: in the sense of discussing rumors and speculation about an unreleased iPhone, seeing and understanding multi faceted thoughts from others, opens someone's mind to think "That could happen" or "Why wouldn't that happen." Ultimately, which creates discussions based on differing opinions or theories.

Wasn't talking about anything unreleased. Was talking about the iPhone 7. And giving an example of how it can be extended to the 8 as well, not that it would. Please read before quoting people to understand things you do not.
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Meretricious BS argument as Samsung et al have shown. Apple removed the headphone jack for one reason and one reason only. To carry on making its phones stupidly and unergonomically thin. So that we can spend more money on expensive cases to protect their compromised structural integrity and make them actually comfortable to hold. Having to buy expensive earphones on top is just the cherry on Apple's penny pinching cake.

The Stockholm Syndrome masquerading as insight is way off the scale here.

Had absolutely nothing to do with thinness. If you believe that then you really need to take a step back and think about some things. Like one thing you may want to think about is the fact that the iPhone 7 was the exact same thickness and the rumor that the iPhone 8 is 0.3-0.4mm thicker than that. So in closing, think up..?

 

[5105973]

And then you see:

So if photo is the phone, seems like they didn't put sensor under screen after all.

It looks like they put it on the chin under the glass, but did not integrate it into the display, which is what I think Apple was trying to do, right?

I guess the new trend is to flip the dual cameras vertically.

Sharp always made some cool looking stuff but you would rarely see any of it outside of Asia, specifically Japan.

 

[AlphaHumanus]

My only issue remains with the camera bump.

I’ll be upgrading from a 6, and I’m excited to see the 3.5 jack go, and gain 3D Touch.

 

[EM2013]

So that we can spend more money on expensive cases to protect their compromised structural integrity and make them actually comfortable to hold. Having to buy expensive earphones on top is just the cherry on Apple's penny pinching cake.

They don't force you to buy anything. My case was less than $20, don't know which "expensive cases" you're referring to since there's plenty of cheap options. I've also used it without a case as well.
And there's lots of headphone options. You don't "have to" buy their expensive earpods.