iPhone 8 "Promotion" display?

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  1. Zackmd1 macrumors 6502a

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    So I just thought about this after researching the ipad pros a bit more... I wonder if Apple/Samsung have figured out a way to bring higher refresh rates to smaller OLED displays. Sharp managed to do it with a 4.7 inch IGZO (Aquos mini SH-M03) display. If apple does have it's "promotion" tech integrated into the iPhone 8 screen that would be a big plus in my book... Thoughts? Would a 120hz refresh rate change your opinion of the iPhone 8 (if you don't already plan on buying one that is...)
     
  2. Vanilla35 macrumors 68030

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    Definitely would change the experience. Can't wait to swipe up my control center in 120hz fashion.

    But for real, it would help with games. And video, of course.
     
  3. Relentless Power macrumors P6

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    I imagine the rumored 5.8 OLED would have a Promotion display if it did happen. (Just to create more of a reason to upgrade.) Even if it didn't have the 120 Hz refresh rate,Ram is always the biggest advantage. 4 GB of Ram is hopefully in line for the 5.8 model.
     
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    I don't know what "promotion" display means per say, aside from assuming it means better. However I'm extremely doubtful it's going to be 120 Hz, and even though it's possible I also highly doubt it'll have 4GB of RAM. If any promotional characteristics apply, it would simply be the fact that it's OLED vs. LCD. They will no doubt talk about how the blacks are "pure black", colors have more pop, etc etc. Aside from all that, I doubt the specs will be anything more significant than the 7S. Camera is the big question mark.
     
  5. Zackmd1 thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    ProMotion is a term Apple uses for the new iPad Pro's variable refresh rate LCD. So the new iPads can dynamically change their refresh rate to suit the needs of the time, whether that be a 24hz movie or OS animations at full 120hz. As I said in the OP, the technology does exist for 120hz LCD screens that are small enough but I have not seen any OLED screens the size of a phone have a 120hz refresh rate. If the iPhone 8 with its OLED screen does not have the ProMotion tech then I doubt the LCD iphone 7s will have it either.
     
  6. Vanilla35 macrumors 68030

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    Oh hahah my bad. Typical case of the mind filling in what it thought it saw. I was 100% confident I read "Promotional". Even though I rewrote it myself in quotes.

    Yeah that makes sense. Idk I still doubt they would put that in the iPhone 8, but it's possible. I don't know of any other device with 120hz, LCD or OLED, so either way it would be a standout feature. I would love it on the iPhone tbh. Sometimes video can be too "real" with 120hz though. I personally prefer my TV's at 60hz. Makes TV shows look to cinematic otherwise. Too smooth.

    If the dynamic changing rate prevents that smoothing though (could be easily done - just lock the rate for shows and videos), then I think it would be a game changer for the iPhone experience.
     
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    I would also like if it had a 1440p display. It's not necessary but it would be nice.
     
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    Would be odd if it didn't as it looks like many new iPad pro users are getting used to the 120hz display
     
  9. Vanilla35 macrumors 68030

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    I think it will be. Based on previous rumors.

    120hz mostly comes in handy for the Apple pencil, and other pro use apps.

    Although as a side point, I could see it being a huge factor in AR, to prevent blurring. If AR is going to be a push of theirs (I'd say it might be likely) then they would definitely include it in the iPhone 8, if possible.
     
  10. Zackmd1 thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    I don't doubt it was a discussion at Apple about it being 120hz. The question is wether or not the technology exists to make it happen.
     
  11. epca12 macrumors regular

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    If it's able to be done as you've said then it's possible Apple could do it or if they can't it would be a 2018 iPhone feature
     
  12. Zackmd1 thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    I said it was possible with LCD displays. I have not found anything that shows OLED reaching the same capability except in large 55" TVs. The premium VR headsets out there have high resolution OLED displays around the 5" range but seem to max out around 90hz.
     
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    That's what I meant by Promotion. I think @Zackmd1 did a good job explaining what Promotion is and how it's incorporated into the iPad displays. That said, he is also correct if OLED would be a factor or not if a 120 HZ refresh would be likely. Either way, it would be a huge advantage depending on what applications or media you are using the iPhone for.

    But in any case, it has the ability to make the viewing experience more seamless. If Apple Did use 120 HZ in their iPhones, they likely would call it something else to separate the terminology away from the iPad. Similar to what they did with the Apple Watch with Force Touch and 3D Touch with the iPhone.
     
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    Oh sorry, you said with an IGZO display not OLED. My bad
     
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    The dynamic change does exactly that. There's no soap-opera nonsense here.
     
  16. Zackmd1 thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    Just saw the new 10.5" iPad in the store today. My god I never knew 120hz could look so good. I would say this display tech is on par with the retina screen during the iPhone 4 launch. Having said that, it does make any other 60hz screen look like crap for 5-10 mins until your eyes readjust to the lower refresh rate. I would hope Apple has taken note of this and done there best to incorporate the tech into the new iPhones.
     
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    The 120Hz would provide the smooth scrolling experience. If they also manage to put the variable refresh rate in there, that would greatly reduce power consumption which, in turn, would mean better battery life. I'm all for it, but hesitant to believe Apple will include the technology in iPhone 2017. It would be really nice if they did though.
     
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    man that was some fun times. coming from the 3GS screen to the retina screen on the iP4 was awesome!
     
  19. Zackmd1 thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    Agreed! That is what the ProMotion screen feels like! Instantly makes all other displays look like crap.

    I can't remember but did any rumors for the 10.5" iPad mention a higher refresh rate display?
     
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    Apple just changed their sticky safari browsing to normal constant/immediate scrolling (iOS 11). This could be a move made based upon anticipating 120hz iPhone displays in the fall.
     
  21. Vanilla35 macrumors 68030

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    I didn't realize that was an actual term for what I had noticed with 120hz lol. Good to hear they fixed that with the dynamic changes.
     
  22. WilliamG macrumors G3

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    To be honest it's not that it's "fixed" because it was never broken to begin with. It's just a "feature" of TVs you can turn completely off. Some people like the smoothing of camera pans etc that comes with that look. I'm not one of those people.

    That said, 120hz TVs are still great because of proper 24p playback without the 3:2 pull down that 60hz displays use (24 isn't divisible into 60). With 120hz displays, you just repeat each frame 5 times to meet the 120hz target, which gives you a cinema-like smoothness (very easy to tell on scrolling end credits or pans across the sky etc). That's why Blu-rays etc look smoother on a 120hz display than on a 60hz display, even with the soap-opera crap turned off.
     
  23. Vanilla35 macrumors 68030

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    That went over my head on the first read. Makes sense though, basically a golden ratio, same as 1440x990 to 2560x1600, it's a perfect jump to prevent an odd ratio. With the soap-opera software feature turned off, is 120hz still "too" lifelike/smooth for things like sports and commercials, making it look too real? That's the effect I get from a 120hz TV. I don't know if that is the setting you're mentioning, or just the effect of 120hz.
     
  24. Aditya_S macrumors 6502

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    Yeah, same thing when my dad got the iPhone 4 when it first came out and our family got an iPad 3. Every other screen looked way worse.
     
  25. WilliamG macrumors G3

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    With the soap-opera effect turned off, watching sports or TV on e.g. cable is no different between a 60hz TV and a 120hz TV.

    And it's not 1440x900 to 2560x1600. It's 1280x800 -> 2560x1600. But I see the analogy you were trying to make. :)
     

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