OMG I really HOPE you’re wrong and there better be a x80 in there
We might know as soon as reviewers post something. If it has the same modem firmware version as iPhone 16, we'll know.
OMG I really HOPE you’re wrong and there better be a x80 in there
It sure was a point of contention for 16e haters just a few months ago.
Remember when mmWave was supposed to be the hottest new thing?
But it only worked well if you were standing on the street directly under the antenna?
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They kept the same Chip in the Apple Watch as last year and so they may do the same with the modem and keep the 17 with the same X71 modem so when the C2 debuts next year with 5G advanced and blow the socks 🧦 off the x71 old modem.The other part of this story is, why is there still no 5G-A for iPhone 17 Pro/Max? This suggests X71M.
X75 from 2023 supports 5G-A. X80 for sure. Let's not even talk about X85.
If you handicap the competition, it's not a fair race. I'm more interested than ever to see what baseband is in 17 Pro/Max.
Apple doesn’t want to pay Qualcomm any more than they deserve so wouldn’t be surprised if they kept the same modem chip in the x71 as they did by keeping the same s10 chip in the new Apple Watch.OMG I really HOPE you’re wrong and there better be a x80 in there
This looks like how to speed run your way to the no fly list lolTotal missed opportunity by Apple not to offer the iPhone Air MagSafe Battery Pack Bandoleer with 5 day battery life. 😂
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Yep. I've tried using data and hotspot with it disabled in subways, airports and large gatherings or places like Bourbon St, Vegas Strip, NYC. Its a miserable experience without it.mmWave is the main reason I’m considering just going with the base model. It matters to people who have it most everywhere they go and get great speeds from it.
Seems to be. I don't think Canada has mmWave anywhere either.I was checking battery differences between the US and UK models of the other 17 models (eSIM-only versions get larger batteries!) and I noticed that the UK versions don't support mmWave.
Is this a US only thing?
That’s how I feel too. Been a pro user since 2019, but I think I’m going to switch to Air. It does seem like a glimpse of a future design. Yes, there are compromises in the first model, but I’m no longer interested in having the bulkiest, heaviest phone. They’re testing some newer technology in the Air and I’m looking forward to it.
I've been considering the 17 Air as well (I've also only used Pro models for the past few years). Do you feel any drawbacks that would be to getting the Air vs the Pro Max? (not including the screen size). Thanks!Energy efficiency was one of the reasons Apple had to abandon Intel and make their own silicon. The same is true for their modems and radios. The iPhone Air would not have been possible with Qualcomm and Broadcom's chips.
I've been a Pro user since there's been iPhone Pro but I'm definitely getting the iPhone Air this time around. It feels like "the future of smartphones today", the direction they're going in just like the iPhone X launched the next generation iPhones at the time.
I've been considering the 17 Air as well (I've also only used Pro models for the past few years). Do you feel any drawbacks that would be to getting the Air vs the Pro Max? (not including the screen size). Thanks!
Samsung Galaxy S25 Edge may disagree. Moreover, it uses Qualcomm chip that combines the modem and BT (no Broadcom).Energy efficiency was one of the reasons Apple had to abandon Intel and make their own silicon. The same is true for their modems and radios. The iPhone Air would not have been possible with Qualcomm and Broadcom's chips.
I've been a Pro user since there's been iPhone Pro but I'm definitely getting the iPhone Air this time around. It feels like "the future of smartphones today", the direction they're going in just like the iPhone X launched the next generation iPhones at the time.
I think its because the carriers in the US haven't update their profiles? iPhone 16 and 16 Pro support 5GA in ChinaThe other part of this story is, why is there still no 5G-A for iPhone 17 Pro/Max? This suggests X71M.
X75 from 2023 supports 5G-A. X80 for sure. Let's not even talk about X85.
If you handicap the competition, it's not a fair race. I'm more interested than ever to see what baseband is in 17 Pro/Max.
I seriously wonder if it is....there are multiple nation states full of iPhones that do not even support mmWave. Heck Australia has mmWave but they don't even bother selling a mmWave iPhone there or at least didn't last I checked. It says a lot. I like mmWave but I see it as extremely limited for either capacity boosting in very very dense populated areas OR select use cases like perhaps providing cellular service in an area where the frequency would be disruptive and mmWave wouldn't propagate as much like an airplane or certain areas inside buildings with no traditional cellular coverage.mmWave is a dud anyway, not a big deal to not have it
The Snapdragon X71 modem used in the iPhone 16 does not officially support full 5G Advanced (5GA) features, but it does implement several pre-5GA capabilities that align with the evolving standard.I think its because the carriers in the US haven't update their profiles? iPhone 16 and 16 Pro support 5GA in China
it's a carrier issue, iphone 16 and 16 Pro support 5GA in ChinaExactly. I totally agree. Does not make sense.
Its available in a handful of other countries but even in the Asia-Pacific countries that have it I dont think Apple even sells the mmWave version which is odd yet tellingIn terms of deployment, mmW is a U.S. thing only, due to politics. The physics and economics of mmW never made sense which is why no other country deployed it to any appreciable degree. In short, don't worry about it.
Dedicated AI tensor accelerator? Why?! lol Why is that a requirement. Seems odd.The Snapdragon X71 modem used in the iPhone 16 does not officially support full 5G Advanced (5GA) features, but it does implement several pre-5GA capabilities that align with the evolving standard.
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🧠 What It Supports
- ✅ mmWave + Sub-6GHz 5G
- ✅ AI-powered signal optimization
- ✅ Advanced carrier aggregation
- ✅ Low-latency uplink enhancements
- ✅ Improved energy efficiency
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🚫 What It Lacks (for full 5GA compliance)
- ❌ Dedicated AI tensor accelerator (found in Snapdragon X72 and newer)
- ❌ Layered spectrum sharing and slicing
- ❌ Full support for RedCap and NTN (non-terrestrial networks)
I seriously wonder if it is....there are multiple nation states full of iPhones that do not even support mmWave. Heck Australia has mmWave but they don't even bother selling a mmWave iPhone there or at least didn't last I checked. It says a lot. I like mmWave but I see it as extremely limited for either capacity boosting in very very dense populated areas OR select use cases like perhaps providing cellular service in an area where the frequency would be disruptive and mmWave wouldn't propagate as much like an airplane or certain areas inside buildings with no traditional cellular coverage.
The plummeting value of 5G mmWave spectrum
Interesting article from a tech site focusing on communications industry, noting how US communications companies are writing down the the value of their $10 billion aucion purchases from 5 years ago, and noted that T-Mobile completely surrendered 520 mmWave spectrum licenses and is trying to rework its coverage obligations on the other licenses it did keep.
"Finally, it's worth noting that American operators are the only ones that ever chased mmWave spectrum licenses. "The price of US mmWave spectrum is about the highest in the world," Rayal told Light Reading. He noted that in most other countries where regulators have auctioned mmWave licenses, those licenses either went unsold or they sold at the minimum bid price."
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The plummeting value of 5G mmWave spectrum
Verizon, T-Mobile, AT&T and others spent billions of dollars in the early days of 5G on millimeter wave spectrum licenses. But the value of those licenses appears to be rapidly declining.www.lightreading.com
Even the density argument is pretty weak since many Asian cities make do without them (very well) even in their high density areas like major train stations.I seriously wonder if it is....there are multiple nation states full of iPhones that do not even support mmWave. Heck Australia has mmWave but they don't even bother selling a mmWave iPhone there or at least didn't last I checked. It says a lot. I like mmWave but I see it as extremely limited for either capacity boosting in very very dense populated areas OR select use cases like perhaps providing cellular service in an area where the frequency would be disruptive and mmWave wouldn't propagate as much like an airplane or certain areas inside buildings with no traditional cellular coverage.
It will really suck if Apple stuck with the X71M and will cause me to keep my 16 Pro Max another year.The Snapdragon X71 modem used in the iPhone 16 does not officially support full 5G Advanced (5GA) features, but it does implement several pre-5GA capabilities that align with the evolving standard.
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🧠 What It Supports
- ✅ mmWave + Sub-6GHz 5G
- ✅ AI-powered signal optimization
- ✅ Advanced carrier aggregation
- ✅ Low-latency uplink enhancements
- ✅ Improved energy efficiency
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🚫 What It Lacks (for full 5GA compliance)
- ❌ Dedicated AI tensor accelerator (found in Snapdragon X72 and newer)
- ❌ Layered spectrum sharing and slicing
- ❌ Full support for RedCap and NTN (non-terrestrial networks)