Fan Goil btw.
What are you on MR for if you don't think Apple is the best?
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Fan Goil btw.
What are you on MR for if you don't think Apple is the best?
Start a Linux Rumors site and stop trolling.
I think the point of MacRumors is a place to discuss the latest information or products and not to have a single minded opinion standing around doing overzealous high fives with each other. Stella has been on MacRumors for a long time and if anything the extra opinion provided will make people think a little bit more about the product rather than instantly turning into an unwarranted celebration.
Its clear the iPhone is undoubtedly nice with the multitouch and accelerometer features but the rest is on a par with the industry and there are definitely devices that are better in other ways and more capable than the demo'd product at the MacWorld Keynote. I guess we will find out in June whether it lives up to the hype but personally for me the lack of 3rd party applications and unavailable as a modern 3G cellular network mobile makes the iPhone a dramatic backward step for me personally. That and the fact it won't be available here in Australia until December 2007.
Are sites like these only meant for people who cream their pants every time SJ says something? If that is the case, it would get really boring really fast, since we would just have bunch of people declaring their undying love for something and patting each other on the back.
A healthy dose of sceptisism can be a good thing. It prevent anyone from getting too complacent.Yes, we can be Mac-users and like Apple-products, but that doesn't mean that we should have no room for differing opinions. And it doesn't mean that we should regard every single thing Apple does as the best thing since sliced bread. iPhone IS very very cool, and I'm certainly interested in it, both professionally and personally. But that doesn't mean that I shouldn't think "Hmmm, I can already do all that stuff, albeit with less iCandy...."
There is no requirement that members here consider Apple to be the best, and certainly not that they consider Apple to be infallible.
While we do not tolerate obvious trolls who come here simply to stir things up, there is nothing wrong with discussing flaws - real or perceived - in Apple's products, strategy, etc. As mentioned above, those who prefer Apple products but who see and admit to problems with them have more sway here than those who blindly love or hate them. Those who prefer non-Apple products but who see some plusses to Apple's stuff? Same thing.
Well, you'd better get used to it. Given that the iPhone even has its own sub-forum, there are going to be LOTS of iPhone threads.
Obviously we should listen and consider opposing views; you should have learned that in grammar school. We should have also been taught to respond to others politely, logically, and without 'name calling'. Please continue providing another view, but please also stop the hostility.
well, as you can see, there is a reason for what he said, read the post he quoted, You might find that to be a little bit hostile too. and, to be frank, that post's content is unreasonable and oppose the facts and truth. I do encouraging ppl debate and make things clear, but to lesson other ppl with personal imagination, especially when its not true, is quite inappropriate, IMHO. And I don't think what he said is name calling, maybe u can show me some forum rules to confirm that.
I removed the original content of this post - clevin, above, sums what I wanted to say far better than I did.
( By the way, I do think we should listen to opposing views, I've got absolutely no problem with that ).
( I wasn't name calling either - I said the quoted post was Fan Boy-ish, not the poster!!
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( By the way, I do think we should listen to opposing views, I've got absolutely no problem with that ).
( I wasn't name calling either - I said the quoted post was Fan Boy-ish, not the poster!!
)Both posts are written poorly, both a too emotional.
Calling others a "Fan Boy" every time they write a post to me is name calling. He does not do in a funny, or teasing way. I have felt pre-judged or classified by him as something just because I like the iPhone. Don't call me a Fan Boy. I enjoy Apple products, but I am not going to take a bullet for SJ. I am also very happy there is not a rule for 'name calling' or 'pre-judging', for that should have been taught in kindergarten.
well, he is obviously referring to the guy who says windows is rip off of OSX, not referring to the ppl who like iPhone, there is really no reason to think that much, and I feel like I said too much stuff that has nothing to do with the topic of this post, so i will just stop here.
No the iPhone part happened to me 50 of so posts ago in this thread. I was labeled as a fan boy by him and treated as such. I say this cause it makes it no fun to come here when that happens.
Free speech hooray. Stella implies my posts are "fan boish" I'm implying his or her posts are trollish. His/her criticisms lack bite because they don't take in the totality of Apple's design ingenuity, Ive's/Job's deep understanding of "modern" as applicable to 20th century industrial design and the fact that no other company comes near to having the infinite design triumphs that constitute the track record of Apple, including the triumph of OSX. I consider the iPhone one of Apple's latest /best victories. Who else comes close?
This is not blind idolatry, rather giving honor where honor is due. And Apple -- with all of its flaws -- still is head and shoulders above the rest in terms of striving for excellence.
My biggest gripe with Apple remains its insistence upon using concentration camp style manufacturing plants in god forsaken China - which, in the long run, will prove to be a money and energy suck for the company despite the short term allure of labor camp wages.
Jobs is casting pearls before swine by allowing Asian reverse-engineers a crack at his hard won design triumphs through the backdoor of supposedly WTO regulated Chinese manufacturing "plants" (i.e. "slave labor camps"). Last night's feeble defense of the Chinese iPhone rip off by the miniOne CEO only underscores Jobs' miscalculation.
How many innovators are out there ???
As cwedl noted, apart from Apple, how many companies out there do you see being truly innovative ? How many have shown the foresight that Apple has. How many companies have taken existing technology and changed the way we all use it ? Its easy to copy. What has Microsoft produced in recent years that could be considered as truly innovative ? If Apple didnt exist today, just think of the choices we would have. Good grief ! Its as if companies wait for Jobs keynote just to see what they have to do to follow...... Just look at this coming year and see what the major manufactures come up with...nothing really innovative I am sure ( Apple not included ) Of course, if you believe all those great designs ol' Stevie submits to China are safe and free from replication, well, just watch how quicky China brings out similar products ! 
As cwedl noted, apart from Apple, how many companies out there do you see being truly innovative ? How many have shown the foresight that Apple has. How many companies have taken existing technology and changed the way we all use it ? Its easy to copy. What has Microsoft produced in recent years that could be considered as truly innovative ? If Apple didnt exist today, just think of the choices we would have. Good grief ! Its as if companies wait for Jobs keynote just to see what they have to do to follow...... Just look at this coming year and see what the major manufactures come up with...nothing really innovative I am sure ( Apple not included ) Of course, if you believe all those great designs ol' Stevie submits to China are safe and free from replication, well, just watch how quicky China brings out similar products !
That Sammy F700 is sweet! I love my Macs, but if that Sammy comes in around $100 with a contract...I'm buying. Personally, I just can't see spending $500 on a phone. Not trying to belittle the iPhone--I would still love one--but I have pretty simple needs for a phone and the love of a bargain:
1. High speed modem capability for when I'm traveling
2. I REALLY want a decent phone camera--nice glass with at least 3.2mp and autofocus. Get tired of carrying around the D70, an Elph AND a cell phone.
3. The ability to read ebooks
4. Multimedia capabilities would be cool--perhaps being able to play Divx movies off of an SD card
5. Ability to install apps and games at will as I don now with Symbian S60.
I've enjoyed my Nokia Symbian OS phones. My current one has been great, though it's getting very scratched up, the camera sucks and I'd like a bigger screen. Symbian's a great little OS for phones. I'm not a cell-o-phile by any stretch, but I lucked into getting a phone with a Symbian OS and it's capabilities have amazed me. Being able to do things on it I never even knew could be done on a phone. If you're a newb when it comes to phone it's worth looking into Symbian based phones.
I can't really attest to Windows Mobile phones, though I do own a Dell Axim that never gets used because the OS kept crashing and I just got really tired of reinstalling it and trying to get it to sync to the Macs. I'm sure that's changed in the two years since I've put it away. I have no experience with Blackberry. But DAMN(!) I would love to have an iPhone with a decent camera and a somewhat open software capability.
Sorry about the rambling.
1. High speed modem capability for when I'm traveling
2. I REALLY want a decent phone camera--nice glass with at least 3.2mp and autofocus. Get tired of carrying around the D70, an Elph AND a cell phone.
3. The ability to read ebooks
4. Multimedia capabilities would be cool--perhaps being able to play Divx movies off of an SD card
5. Ability to install apps and games at will as I don now with Symbian S60.
I've enjoyed my Nokia Symbian OS phones. My current one has been great, though it's getting very scratched up, the camera sucks and I'd like a bigger screen. Symbian's a great little OS for phones. I'm not a cell-o-phile by any stretch, but I lucked into getting a phone with a Symbian OS and it's capabilities have amazed me. Being able to do things on it I never even knew could be done on a phone. If you're a newb when it comes to phone it's worth looking into Symbian based phones.
I can't really attest to Windows Mobile phones, though I do own a Dell Axim that never gets used because the OS kept crashing and I just got really tired of reinstalling it and trying to get it to sync to the Macs. I'm sure that's changed in the two years since I've put it away. I have no experience with Blackberry. But DAMN(!) I would love to have an iPhone with a decent camera and a somewhat open software capability.
Sorry about the rambling.
I just saw some pics that were taken from the new HTC TyTN phone, and wow they looked pretty good for a phone. I think I maybe getting the CDMA version of it.
Well, you did basically say "what are you doing on this forum if you do not love Apple and everything it does?". I have seen it before in these forums. Someone says something remotely negative about Apple or their products, and someone comes along and says "why are you on these forums? Go to some PC/Linux/Whatever-forum instead!". And every single time I see it, it pisses me off.
That kind of attitude encourages groupthink. No dissenting opinions are allowed. People with such opinions should go to some different forums, instead of coming to this forum. What ever happened to "Think Different"? It went to some PC-related forum, that's what.
Irrelevant and besides the point
True - the iPhone has been 2 years in the making, leaps and
bounds ahead of what has been surfacing recently.
Funny, no one has said anything about the RAZRs lack of tactile
keys (minimal) As far as texting is concerned, voice recognition
will indeed play a future role.
Apple's excellence is the point.
Apple has already thought very different and people are copying it.
I'm attracted by Apple's excellence and humbly presume other MR members are, too. What's wrong with that?
Whatever, the chinese need to foment their own creativity instead of running concentration camp body part mills, counterfeiting other people's intellectual property and stop the arms build up on the Taiwan Strait and the invisible helping hand to Kim Jong Ill N. Korean tyrant's murderous ways. They are just perpetuating economic warfare against the West and it bothers me that they are screwing with Apple's patents while Bush whistles up a rope at the whole mess. I can live without 99 cent stores and their Chinese-made crap, but not Apple.
LGs claim is ridiculus
Back in 2001 a Swedish company presented a new cellphone. The first prototypes were shown in 2002 and the phone was awailble for the public in 2004.
Back in 2002 it didnt get that great reviews ( http://testcentret.idg.se/produkt.asp?pID=4607 )
For you who dont speak swedish the article says that its missing Java, vibrator, mms, e-mail and so on. The manufacturer said that thes features were gonna be availeble later with softwareupgrades (and they were.. well some of them anyway), the reviewers claim that the sound was terible (i dont think it was that bad)
So, Why am i posting this?
The Pros of the phone was that it got a SD-memorycardslot and came with a 64mb memorycard (were the phones software is locaded. of course you could upgrade both software and memorycard) you watch mpegs (on that tiny screen), listen to mp3s, the phone have a 4-way button and, yes, its got a touchscreen.
(Not shure how mac compatible it is thou )
Gizmodo 2004:
http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/bydate/2004/10/
Then " + F" and search for neonode
http://www.neonode.com/
Edit: to comment the above discussion, of course apple is the best. But they are not perfect.
I absolutley love apple (even got an apple-tattoo), but hey, ive had problems with my macs and ipods. Those few times i dont swear at them, they are like my children and hey, the´re only human
Back in 2001 a Swedish company presented a new cellphone. The first prototypes were shown in 2002 and the phone was awailble for the public in 2004.
Back in 2002 it didnt get that great reviews ( http://testcentret.idg.se/produkt.asp?pID=4607 )
For you who dont speak swedish the article says that its missing Java, vibrator, mms, e-mail and so on. The manufacturer said that thes features were gonna be availeble later with softwareupgrades (and they were.. well some of them anyway), the reviewers claim that the sound was terible (i dont think it was that bad)
So, Why am i posting this?
The Pros of the phone was that it got a SD-memorycardslot and came with a 64mb memorycard (were the phones software is locaded. of course you could upgrade both software and memorycard) you watch mpegs (on that tiny screen), listen to mp3s, the phone have a 4-way button and, yes, its got a touchscreen.
(Not shure how mac compatible it is thou
)Gizmodo 2004:
http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/bydate/2004/10/
Then "
+ F" and search for neonodehttp://www.neonode.com/
Edit: to comment the above discussion, of course apple is the best. But they are not perfect.
I absolutley love apple (even got an apple-tattoo), but hey, ive had problems with my macs and ipods. Those few times i dont swear at them, they are like my children and hey, the´re only human
I don't like Apple's limited list of carriers. Where I live Cingular/ATT is worthless because they have lousy reception in many places, including where I live. Plus the iPhone won't have a CDMA version, so I can't use it with my current favorite carrier, MetroPCS ($45/month + tax, unlimited local & long-distance, unlimited text and pictures).
As to the iPhone's camera, what's the big deal about a camera anyway? I'd much rather have an iPhone with improved (a) battery capacity, (b) storage capacity, and/or (c) RF performance. Apple, please dump the stupid camera or make an iPhone without one.
As to the iPhone's camera, what's the big deal about a camera anyway? I'd much rather have an iPhone with improved (a) battery capacity, (b) storage capacity, and/or (c) RF performance. Apple, please dump the stupid camera or make an iPhone without one.