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Never let them see you sweat!

Can't remember the product (was it Dial?), just the tag line: "Never let them see you sweat".

With this article and Arn's edited comments on it, he has clearly let Apple see him sweat. It's clear how much not getting invited really got to him.

I feel for you Arn, better luck next event, maybe it was just an over sight. (hopefully)
 
It's a revealingly unprofessional joke that is sure to make it even harder for MacRumors to get any respect when Apple media events come up.

it has nothing to do with respect. MR posts things that apple doesn't want out, hence an article being removed after they were contacted by apple legal. it's what they do, it's why we visit, to try and get the scoop. but as arn realizes (and posted in the thread already) it isn't going to make him or the site friendly with apple media, and would possibly be a conflict of interest anyway.

that doesn't mean he can't take a little poke at them tho.
 
my god! this thread!

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Wow. This is the lamest thread ever started on MacRumors! MR is pissed they didn't get invited to the event so they post an ad for the competition? That'll show 'em! How old are we?
 
It's clear how much not getting invited really got to him. I feel for you Arn, better luck next event, maybe it was just an over sight. (hopefully)

Actually, we've never been invited to Apple's media events over the past 7 years, and am not really expecting to get invited in the future. So, it didn't really bother me that much, I was just more public about the circumstances this time as people tend to expect MacRumorsLive coverage.

This news story was largely symbolic, but obviously was lost on many.

arn
 
Ahhh... a little bitter are we? I can sympathize with you to a degree but I don't appreciate being used as ammunition against Apple. This is pretty low though. You must be pissed.

Now that I think about it this is pretty tacky and juvenile. MR lost some points in my book tonight. Where did that other site go?

Agreed, MR you could have done SO much better... Saddened by this really!
 
gee, i always thought i don't have any humor. but in this thread?? c'mon guy's, ease up. it's fun. nice story Arn. i'll keep that phone on my list because it offers a lot for the money.

the best thing on this thread is this smiley from the post above:

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i hope edesignuk's bandwith doesn't get used up by us using his smiley. i hope even more he doesn't change the pic to something nasty.....
 
helio ad???

I considered the Helio quite seriously. But I was already with Cingular, and a Mac owner... I was destined to have an iPhone.

The Helio seems a little 'toyish' by design, and less sophisticated than iPhone. The Helio design was a deal breaker. I also don't think the company will be around very long.

Regarding the Helio ad on macrumors.com, you know there is no comparison!!!!!

You might as well take that Helio thing off the front page!!!
 
helio would not advertise on macrumors any more than dell would. come on guys, if you think someone is trying to pay MR to sway you away from Apple, you're flattering yourselves.

damn, now you woke me from my lurker hibernation. i'm going back to sleep now.
 
Admittedly, this thread initially had me slightly confused as to what it's place was on MR. After reading the motivations behind it I must confess that I'm finding it rather amusing. The iPhone is not the be all and end all. It's good to be reminded of the other offerings outthere. To do so slightly tongue-in-cheek is nice and refreshing. Let's hope Apple sees it the same way. :)

Actually, we've never been invited to Apple's media events over the past 7 years, and am not really expecting to get invited in the future. So, it didn't really bother me that much, I was just more public about the circumstances this time as people tend to expect MacRumorsLive coverage.

This news story was largely symbolic, but obviously was lost on many.

arn
 
But it takes 5x longer to do anything on it.

It's not how many 'features' a device has. It's how well it does what it has.
 
To me the Ocean is a perfect example of what it is that Apple has that other companies lack. In a feature chart, and even in advertisements, it looks great. But it's missing the design, attention to detail and user interface that Apple has. Without those, all the features in the world don't make it appealing to me.

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I find that interesting when compared against an article in Technology Review (free registration required) I read a few months ago. It was all about the design effort that goes into products like the Helios Ocean. I'll admit the article did seem a bit uncritically enthusiastic. Anyway, here are some excerpts:

The Ocean is hefty by today's sleek standards, pill-shaped in a market of rectangular things. The company's future will hinge on how much the intended audience appreciates those departures from conventional design. It will hinge on the layout of the device's QWERTY keyboard. It will hinge on the simplicity of the messaging and search interface (for instance, the way it allows users to start typing from idle mode). And it will hinge on--the hinges. ... operated by a novel three-way spring, they enable a keyboard to slide out from one side of the device and a numerical keypad to slide out from another.

In short, the Ocean's design will make or break Helio. "Basically, to us, design is the product," says Sky Dayton, the 35-year-old CEO ... "We get up every day thinking about this," he says. "If you go talk to the CEO or COO of one of the major carriers, I doubt you will hear much about the color of icons, the feel of the soft-touch paint. I can wax poetic about the spring-loaded action [of the sliders]." And he does: "We really thought about the movement and the sound it makes when it opens, the sound it makes when it closes. You see a mannerism when people open and close their Ocean. It's like humming to yourself."

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But the dual-slide format brought on another problem: no one wanted a device that was too thick. A number pad and a QWERTY keyboard would normally require two sets of springs and hinges--one for each slider. This would tend to fatten the gadget. What's more, Helio wanted the sliders to be rugged and to have a firm "feel," like the luxurious thwunk of a BMW's door.

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The appearance of bulkiness was a concern to everyone on the team. There could be no sacrifice of function, and no putting the Ocean on a diet. So the engineers sat down to figure out how to make their slightly bloated electronic jackknife appear as thin as an iPod Nano. The Ocean could not be made thinner, but it could be made to look thinner. As the old carpenters' saying goes: "Paint makes it what it ain't." Shininess and hardness can make a device seem larger; Helio chose a soft-touch black paint, partly for its slimming effect and partly for its somewhat minimalist look and slightly rubbery feel.

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[Helios] wants to sell phones to more people than geeks, or even hipsters in SoHo and Santa *Monica. Already, the device is being discussed in the same breath as the iPhone. But just how the Ocean, the iPhone, and other do-it-all devices will compete and coexist in different markets won't be clear until the competition, and the shakeout, begin this spring.

Hopefully that will give y'all something more on-topic to discuss. :eek:
 
But it takes 5x longer to do anything on it.

It's not how many 'features' a device has. It's how well it does what it has.


I'll take features over ease of use thank you very much . I'm not a technophobic moron, I can figure out how to do stuff even if it is slightly more difficult
 
I can't help but think this is up here because MR didn't get invited to the event? Between that and putting quotation marks around "media" in the other post it definitely seems very immature. (I would be very bitter as well though)
 
I can't help but think this is up here because MR didn't get invited to the event? Between that and putting quotation marks around "media" in the other post it definitely seems very immature. (I would be very bitter as well though)


arn has already said that's not the case. MR has never been invited to a media event and probably never will be. Apple isn't too fond of rumor sites.
 
Man, there are some touchy people here today. I thought the "ad" was well played by Arn... It got a chuckle out of me.

As far as the Ocean... it is a pretty cool device. Not an iPhone, but it is a very capable device from a new player. I wish Helio the best, and hope they can stay in the market... true innovation often comes from the little guys.
 
Helio is a completely different Phone Company. It is Korean and it sucks. My friend has the Helio Drift and has a 2 yr contract with them. He told me not to get it because the service is just horrible. So I went with a Sidekick 3 (worth the $)
 
Helio is a completely different Phone Company. It is Korean and it sucks. My friend has the Helio Drift and has a 2 yr contract with them. He told me not to get it because the service is just horrible. So I went with a Sidekick 3 (worth the $)

Helio uses Sprint's network, so I'm not surprised they suck so bad
 
No wifi, twice as thick as an iPhone, heavier than an iPhone, smaller screen, lower resolution screen...

Weird article - a rant against Apple for not being invited?
 
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