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It will take them 13 years!

People mess up by not using the 0 first... much more secure

That's a bit stupid, as it checks simple variants like that! It would probably take all of a few seconds to crack 0123456789, Lol
 
I'm not sure why I didn't think of this before. Both of my Macs are protected by a 16-character passcode that has upper and lower case alpha, numerics, and special characters. My iOS devices deserve more than just an eight digit numeric code.


Meh. I’ve got a 30-digit numeric. I’m not about to get qwerty over this little box. Back of a cocktail napkin math tells me that it would take about 60 billion times the age of the universe in order to crack it. The real problem isn’t this little black box, it’s the black rubber hose you got to worry about:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber-hose_cryptanalysis

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I use alpha numeric plus symbles. So it will take them a few million years of current super computer compute time.
 
No one can win here...

Now the box can beat even a 6 digit, Apple must add 8-digits or more to future iOS updates.... The only take-away from all this the more complex you make it, no one will remember, and be forced to write them down.

Which is a circle.... It's the same things we wanted to get away from.

Plus, the only reason users are running frantic is because we all store out personal lives on our phones now CC etc.. so in part users are also to blame for increased security.. and apps.

Its not all just about security. you may even say users are fueling the increased methods.
 
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I'm not sure why I didn't think of this before. Both of my Macs are protected by a 16-character passcode that has upper and lower case alpha, numerics, and special characters. My iOS devices deserve more than just an eight digit numeric code.

You just enabled me to crack your password in 4.6236 days. Thanks for playing.
 
I use alpha numeric plus symbles. So it will take them a few million years of current super computer compute time.

I use TouchID, plus 4 digit passcode... Aside from Dropbox app which doesn't really hold much info, you can have it...

My way of security is very different to the convenience of most users today.

This is gonna turn into a competition.. who can crack the fastest.
 
Exactly this, why use a difficult alphanumeric passcode while it takes 6 ½ years avg. to get into your phone, most likely the phone won't work anymore by the time the password is/would be guessed.

It will still work. But its speed will be severely throttled down by Apple :D
 
If iOS wasn't constantly asking for a password every 10 seconds, more people could set to something more complex. Having touchid/faceid is useless because of how constantly the OS requires you to put a password in for something.

It would be useful if there was something along the lines of, if you set up fingerprints or face scans and you do not change them then they should be valid until changed, i'm sure there might need to be a few exceptions.

Also, I enjoyed seeing how people assume that their password is going to be near the last one guessed, it *can* take up to x days weeks months years but it could still be guessed way sooner.

Question: If the custom alphanumeric code keyboard had more rows so it at least showed the numbers and say some of the more common special characters would you be more inclined to use an alphanumeric password than the standard numeric only?
 
It’s great to let the criminals and terrorists know this.

The irony is that the people that the government MOST needs to gain access to, are also those MOST likely very aware of cracking capabilities, and how to minimize them. So these capabilities most likely only benefit them for those with whom they have little to gain.
 
Exactly this. 4 digit on my phone and my account password on my Mac's is just "1" - there, you know it, now come and hack me. It's just a lot easier when you do a lot of terminal work, i'm not going to type in passwords all the time for Sudo.

Yep. This
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The 10-try wipe option just isn't cutting it. I think it needs a Mission Impossible self-destruct setting.

Programmable runaway temp on the battery should do it. Put a little extra pizzaz the GreyKey solution.

I think Samsung tried that on the Galaxy note 7
 
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Concerning that they can bypass Apple's "10 strikes and you're out" feature.

Yes, that's the issue they need to fix.
A 6 digit code is more than enough if you can only try to guess it for 10 times.
What is really important is to have a strong password for the iCloud account.
 
in the case of website remote access services like banking etc, a long complex unique password makes sense. In this case someone trying to hack into your phone needs to have your phone physically on them. Which means law enforcement or it was stolen (in which case you'd probably have locked it and/or erased it remotely before anyone gets near one of these boxes).
I think you need to balance how often you need to use an unlock code vs how complex and painful it is to enter it. Realistically you'd have to memorise an 8-10 character alphanumeric password because of course you can't access a password manager to enter it for you. and the more complex it is, the more of a pain it is for day to day use.

Are you worried that the FBI will confiscate your phone? Aren't you creating more pain for your daily use for something that isn't a real threat?

Also - I hope Apple figure out what that exploit is and block it. Being able to bypass the delays and 10-try lockout is worrying.
 
13 years to crack my information then. I will save you some time!

iMessage:
me: are you in later?
friend: yes

Photos:
photo of a car, a tree and something on my desk

Calendar:
Dentist appointment

Go for it! :)
 
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13 years to crack my information then. I will save you some time!

iMessage:
me: are you in later?
friend: yes

Photos:
photo of a car, a tree and something on my desk

Calendar:
Dentist appointment

Go for it! :)

Ah ha.... Now I know you have a friend, a car, a desk and a Dentist appointment I will be able to steal you identity!!!! Next I'll shall take over the world. ;)
 
Ah ha.... Now I know you have a friend, a car, a desk and a Dentist appointment I will be able to steal you identity!!!! Next I'll shall take over the world. ;)
It's all a bit paranoia for the sake of paranoia!

All this article does is advise bad guys to use a stronger password!
 
the main difference is the difficulty of entering the code, and 1 handed, etc.
yeah but you rarely ever have to type it. Majority of times it would be finger print/faceID. assuming its >=5s
and anything before that even a 4digit passcode would tke 13 years to crack coz they are so ****ing slow ;)
 
10-12 numerical seems like a good compromise between security and practicality. 13 years is lengthy enough to stop having to worry so much.

These devices have existed nearly as long as the iPhone has and you guys are just now becoming aware of them. You should see what's been done on other platforms. FileVault can be broken fairly quickly too and is. If you only knew the extent of the capabilities within the forensic community.

Tell us more. FileVault is broken no matter the password length?
 
After reading this article I have changed my passcodes on my iPad and iPhone from 6 digit numeric to 10 digit alphanumeric.

All my other passwords are around 30 characters (alphanumeric, upper, lower case) so why not keep the devices I use by far the most more secure.
 
Apple would have lost all credibility (at least with a majority of people that value their security) had they been seen to be hacking into their own backdoor for the government.

There isn't much point in a secure enclave if whenever the government asks, Apple just unlocks it.

That’s an impressive piece of kit. If Apple offered to unlock those devices to begin with though this box wouldn’t exist.
 
I have a better solution: stop doing criminal things. ;)
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After reading this article I have changed my passcodes on my iPad and iPhone from 6 digit numeric to 10 digit alphanumeric.

All my other passwords are around 30 characters (alphanumeric, upper, lower case) so why not keep the devices I use by far the most more secure.

I much time per day are you typing passwords?
 
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