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iPhone Driver's Licenses Coming to North Dakota Residents

Bryan MacGuy said:
I struggle to understand how, on one hand, we have to go through all the expense and effort to get switched over to RealID in order to fly and, on the other hand, flashing a bar/QR code on our phone will be equally secure. Has my cynicism level finally caught up to my age? Isn’t all security now just theater?
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RealID is/was more about verifying the person BEFORE the ID is issued. This is why you have to go in there with all that paperwork that proves you are you and you live where you live,etc. When you verify who’s actually getting on the plane is a real person who proved they live at the address provided, all those anti terror databases become a lot more effective.

It’s more about not issuing a drivers license to someone who claims they’re Homer Simpson from 742 Evergreen terrace as it is verifying the person in front of you is actually the person on the ID.

Whether that’s done with a little plastic card, a passport, or via digital when you purchase your airline ticket that has to match the ID you bought it with is just a piece of the puzzle that over time changes as technology changes is almost a moot point by the time you hit the line at TSA.

RealID is about proving you are YOU before the ID is issued.
 
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ThunderSkunk said:
Seems like a great idea, unless you get a cop on a power trip who tells you to hand over your license, then takes your phone back to his car, uses Graykey to open it, rummages through all your data, and fires your 4th amendment right to being secure in your communications & documents on his own personal barbecue. …not that cops abusing their power to stalk, coerce, blackmail or extort citizens has ever been a problem.
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Yup. Not for me either, and for exactly those reasons.
 
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This is so odd to have only in iPhones. Here in China we have an official car related APP called 12123 which is avalaible on both Android and iOS and you can add you driving license to that. Also that is where I par parking fines :)
 
ThunderSkunk said:
Seems like a great idea, unless you get a cop on a power trip who tells you to hand over your license, then takes your phone back to his car, uses Graykey to open it, rummages through all your data, and fires your 4th amendment right to being secure in your communications & documents on his own personal barbecue. …not that cops abusing their power to stalk, coerce, blackmail or extort citizens has ever been a problem.
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It seems you have a misunderstanding of the technology. You have to authenticate your phone at the moment of scanning it to transfer the digital ID info--therefore a cop either has to bring the scanner to you, or bring you to the scanner. Once it's scanned, the information is transferred, there is no more excuse for a cop to need your phone. So the only reason to ever give one's phone to a (corrupt) cop is if one has simply never used their digital ID and doesn't know how to use it.

And don't Graykeys cost like $15,000? They issue them to traffic cops?
 
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realeric said:
I have the digital ID but will never show it to a police officer. To show it, I have to unlock my phone and voluntarily hand over the phone to the police. Nope.
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Totally incorrect. The officer cannot take the phone away from you--it doesn't work that way. The officer has to scan your phone and it must remain with you because you have to authenticate your phone at the moment of scanning. And the authentication only approves transfer of the digital ID info (which you have to actively approve by clicking the button on your phone), it does not unlock your phone.
 
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ThunderSkunk said:
Seems like a great idea, unless you get a cop on a power trip who tells you to hand over your license, then takes your phone back to his car, uses Graykey to open it, rummages through all your data, and fires your 4th amendment right to being secure in your communications & documents on his own personal barbecue. …not that cops abusing their power to stalk, coerce, blackmail or extort citizens has ever been a problem.
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realeric said:
I have the digital ID but will never show it to a police officer. To show it, I have to unlock my phone and voluntarily hand over the phone to the police. Nope.
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That's like saying "I don't use Apple Pay because I don't want to unlock my phone and give it to the store clerk" i.e. a complete misunderstadning of how the technology works!
 
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realeric said:
I have the digital ID but will never show it to a police officer. To show it, I have to unlock my phone and voluntarily hand over the phone to the police. Nope.
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are you sure it works like just letting somebody look at the info your phone??
i don't think so.

they will have some sort of terminal device that you allow to read the info on their own device.

you do not hand over your phone for them to hold and read something on the screen.
it never leaves your hand/control. unless they grab it from you.
 
ThunderSkunk said:
Seems like a great idea, unless you get a cop on a power trip who tells you to hand over your license, then takes your phone back to his car, uses Graykey to open it, rummages through all your data, and fires your 4th amendment right to being secure in your communications & documents on his own personal barbecue. …not that cops abusing their power to stalk, coerce, blackmail or extort citizens has ever been a problem.
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These are not accepted by law enforcement, at least in my state.
 
Powerguru said:
Contrary to popular belief Texas is way too ahead in technology than many of these progressive states. At this point it’s myth (or media propaganda ) that Texas lacks in technology
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This is very true they even have a great iPhone app to handle license, registration and even business license renewals and management.
 
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