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as it should be lol. Same, I'm old enough now I hardly get ID'ed for drinks if ever...graying in the beard already and unless I'm pulled over there no reason.

I don't get ID'ed for alcohol anymore, but there are few clubs/venues that my wife and I visit that check all IDs, regardless of appearance.

Still have to show my ID when flying, of course, but I usually use my Passport.
 
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Seems like a great idea, unless you get a cop on a power trip who tells you to hand over your license, then takes your phone back to his car, uses Graykey to open it, rummages through all your data, and fires your 4th amendment right to being secure in your communications & documents on his own personal barbecue. …not that cops abusing their power to stalk, coerce, blackmail or extort citizens has ever been a problem.
If you opened your phone to show the cop your license, he doesn't even need to break into it, now does he?
 
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I like Digital IDs on Phone long as the phone is secured and hard to hack by regular thieves. Driver license or Passport digital IDs on phone must be fool proof and correctly validated at airport, liquor stores, etc.
 
This is great and all, but it's pretty much useless. Until there is a collective push from the government to implement this nationwide. I tried showing my apple digital id to a 7-11 and the lady looked at me like I was stupid. Then proceeded to ask if I had a drivers license instead.
Yes I agree. Where can you use it? It's going to take years before shops have the capabilities to use it.
But anyway I got it done for my CA DL. It was easy enough and may come in use in the future.
 
That's like saying "I don't use Apple Pay because I don't want to unlock my phone and give it to the store clerk" i.e. a complete misunderstadning of how the technology works!
True they seem to think they need to unlock the entire phone to make the digital card transaction, which is not the case--neither for Apple Pay nor for digital IDs. You can keep the phone locked and only authenticate the transaction.

But the only slight difference between a digital payment card and digital ID is you authenticate the payment before you scan, digital ID is authenticated right after. So if the scanner is out of reach for you (eg. you're at a drive thru and the scanner is at another cash register inside), the clerk can ask for your phone after you've authorized the payment. The clerk can't get into your locked phone, but the danger I see is they can make an arbitrarily larger payment than you intended. Fortunately, I've never heard of this happening. And nowadays contact payments are at pretty much every register so clerks pretty much no longer need to take your phone.
 
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This is great and all, but it's pretty much useless. Until there is a collective push from the government to implement this nationwide. I tried showing my apple digital id to a 7-11 and the lady looked at me like I was stupid. Then proceeded to ask if I had a drivers license instead.
Yes of course these transitions take a long time to become useful, but they have to start somewhere.
 
I haven't seen sample imagery of digital licenses, either from Apple Wallet or the NYC app, etc. Do they have anything changing or interactive on the screen to prove it's not just a screen capture? Perhaps a timestamp encoded in the barcode?
 
Seems like a great idea, unless you get a cop on a power trip who tells you to hand over your license, then takes your phone back to his car, uses Graykey to open it, rummages through all your data, and fires your 4th amendment right to being secure in your communications & documents on his own personal barbecue. …not that cops abusing their power to stalk, coerce, blackmail or extort citizens has ever been a problem.
It's pretty hilarious that people actually think that police officers:

1) Are all elite computer/digital geniuses.

2) Have access to extremely rare, highly expensive, and highly controlled tech devices in every patrol car.

3) Have nothing better to do than rummage through phones of random citizens they stop for minor traffic violations.

4) Don't mind the thought of going to federal prison for a long time for rummaging through phones of random citizens (the courts tend to frown pretty heavily upon civil rights violations under color of authority).


If your phone comes into the possession of a cop who has access to something like Graykey and that much interest in what's on your phone, you've got a lot more going on than driving 5 mph over the speed limit or having a burned out taillight. And it's not going to be a traffic cop. It'll most likely be a detective attached to a cyber crimes task force/unit, and they'll have probable cause and/or a warrant to seize/search your phone. And there's a really, really good chance that you're dirty and probably have a lot to worry about, because you probably do have some incriminating stuff on your phone and are doing criminal things, which is what attracted their attention to you and made them want to get their hands on your phone in the first place.

Cops who know how to use things like Graykey and properly search for/seize digital evidence aren't uniformed street cops pushing patrol cars around making routine traffic stops. The average uniformed patrol cop isn't any more computer/phone literate than the average citizen - unless they're in a cyber crimes investigative unit, they have literally next to zero training in digital forensics.
 
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Really? I was picking up an iPad and folio and they scanned the QR code in Apple Wallet and still asked to see my ID. Maybe I look sketch lol
hahah maybe it’s just my locations in NYC. in my recent memory though yeah picking up this year’s Apple Watch and some other products over the past couple of years, I remember saying to myself “damn no ID? oh well.” except maybe once.
 
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