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iPhone Drops to 15% Market Share as Smartphone Market Goes Flat
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Inertia, the goodwill and brand value of Apple.
Timmy is spending that goodwill and brand value to make a quick buck, and when it's gone, Apple will be the next blackberry.
No hyperbole at all in that post.
Nope, none at All.
Timmy is spending Apple's brand value for quick cash -- and then blowing that quick cash on stock buybacks, just devaluing the company. In a few years the Apple name can take its rightful spot beside Polaroid and RCA. Once great brands that are just names being used to hawk cheap junk.
I dont see that at all. Of course you can't combat negative opinions except to point out the obvious about sales, profits and company value. Comparing Apple to blackberry means a reminder about 40b this quarter and 50b last quarter is in order.
As I said it's inertia. Apple 2 years ago could have found a warehouse full of old Newtons, offered them up for sale, and they would have outsold the first iPhone. Apple had the reputation, it was true "if it's not an iPhone, it's not an iPhone". And they squandered it selling stuff that was so laughably out of date.
Once the market catches on and sees how mediocre iPhone is, it won't matter how good a product Apple releases, they won't be able to sell it at a premium price. When blackberry was on top, they could have pointed at their revenue and profit too, it didn't change the fact that iPhone was better and people were only buying blackberries because of inertia.
The iPhone is not mediocre in any aspect and is at the top of the heap in terms of overall usability and support so say its customers through the sales volumes and overall disagree with your assessment.
Samsung is the one that has to be careful or they could end up like blackberry more so than Apple.
Lol......blackberry had the same position Apple enjoys now. Top of the heap in sales and profits and brand recognition.
Users are looking a double edged sword. Something will give and give soon, The carriers are feeling the heat. When fly by nights offer data plans on the carriers own networks that crushes the carrier plans, well they had to do something to cover their losses, so they slowed/quit subsidizing phablets. So if you want (and who doenst?) a lower bill you play the buy your own phablet game. Apple will not win in that marketplace. $$$ cheap knockoffs will grow in market share till there is a new balance. We just arent there yet, and we dont know what that will be and the effect on both the carriers and phablet makers are.
Myself, when my verizon contract expires, I will pay for a SE and I will find a month to month with as much data as I can.
lol.....not so much...they both stopped innovating that lead to losing sales....market share....losing billions of dollars....
remember Blackberry was YOUR analogy
So you are going on record that Apple is going bust like blackberry? Apple's list revenue 10b in one quarter was more than blackberry ever made in one quarter.lol.....not so much...they both stopped innovating that lead to losing sales....market share....losing billions of dollars....
remember Blackberry was YOUR analogy
no....Blackberry was YOUR analogy. I listed how BB came to be a nobody in the smartphone world. You have your head stuck..... in the sand.... when it comes to Apple's shortcomings and failures. You're not objective at all. No matter what Apple does you are here to apologise for them.
We can all buy Apple products but still believe they need to do things better. Or offer features other vendors have. We don't all have the attitude that we only like what Apple gives us.....we can want more from them.
I'm certainly entitled to my opinion of the company and products. Every company has shortcomings and can be improved. Every company has their detractors also, and those are easy to spot. Nobody has the right answer period.
Agree with the above ^^^^
We are all entitled to our opinions on the company we buy our products from.
No, quite the opposite. The law of motion says that what goes in any direction will continue to do so.
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Like other people here, I have bought many new gizmos when they were $1,000... VCR, microwave oven, video cam, CD and DVD player, you name it... that later could be had for $50.
Smartphones should be no different, and sure enough there are some that are that cheap.
However, the many countries which have had carrier subsidies, have helped to artificially keep the price of some phones high. Now that subsidies are disappearing, those overly high prices are more important a consideration to the mass consumer.
Smartphones should be no different, and sure enough there are some that are that cheap.
However, the many countries which have had carrier subsidies, have helped to artificially keep the price of some phones high. Now that subsidies are disappearing, those overly high prices are more important a consideration to the mass consumer.
Which is wonderful if your brands' expensive flagship phones have a great brand image. Not so wonderful if it doesn't.
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Except when it doesn't.
They aren't losing sales.lol.....not so much...they both stopped innovating that lead to losing sales....market share....losing billions of dollars....
remember Blackberry was YOUR analogy
They lost market share.
Lack of innovation didn't cause the end of blackberry
Innovation didn't even cause the succes of the iPhone. A radical rethinking of the actual needs of customers did.
The only reason numbers matter is to quantify things. But megapixels don't quantify camera quality. Ghz don't quantify the usage speeds. Expansion ports don't quantify flexibility, and price doesn't quantify value. Price doesn't even quantify costs...
The answers are correct, on paper the competition sometimes wins. But the questions are wrong.
I don't have an iPhone because of inertia, stupidity etc. I have an iPhone because the value is high, the costs are low, and it's one of the least invasive devices I know.
The size of Apple concerns me, from a consumers state of view, because keeping that size may cause them to take decisions because they are commercial. The general public is, imho, ignorant about their own wants and needs (I don't mean this in a bad way, I think it's hard to find out your actual key reasons for decisions). Customer should be king but the servant should act in the Kings best interest even if the king thinks he wants something else.
I've yet to find a decision of Apple (even the ones I don't like, I'm not 100% happy about them by a long shot) are taken from that point of view.
It's contra intuitive and hard to sell to shareholders. The fact that didn't matter to them is what makes Apple great.
For me, the reality is that for all the flaws and shortcomings of the iPhone, it still is the best option in the market for me.
In a sense, I kinda dug that hole for myself when I made a conscious decision to dive headlong into the Apple ecosystem and embrace it in its entirety. But it was a choice I made believing that the pros would outweigh the cons, and till this day, I have not regretted that decision.
My Apple devices may cost more upfront, but they have more than paid for themselves in the form of greater productivity and fewer problems overall. So I see myself continuing to use Apple products for a good many years to come.
What makes me laugh about this is that it's one bad quarter in 13 years, and even if there are a couple of more bad quarters to come, when you compare the figures it's actually not that bad at all, other companies would kill to sell the amount of iPhones that Apple sell in one quarter.
51.2million iPhones!
Apple Music is doing well with 13 million subscribers when compared to how long it took Spotify and other streaming services.
51.2million iPhones!
Apple Music is doing well with 13 million subscribers when compared to how long it took Spotify and other streaming services.
For those specifications, apple products have a fair enough price I guess compared to the competition. Lowering prices might come from lowering the quality or using old cheaper technology. What do you think of the SE prices then?