iPhone Generated Record-Breaking Share of Profits Last Quarter Despite Continued Sales Decline

[keithjfuller]

So your hurling the ad-Homs and don't even own the products? Got it. We're an Apple/Microsoft house and are very satisfied.

my point is that apple computers are no longer the kings that they once were. maybe about 10 years ago mac was miles ahead of windows. ios was way superior to android for a while as well. then they just decided to spit out the same crap for years with the only change being that the newest whatever was thinner (and more expensive).

 

[kdarling]

While everyone else was making hard drive MP3 players with 2.5" laptop hard drives which resulted in bulky devices with poor battery life... Apple had a better idea.

Sure... we can give the credit to Toshiba for actually making the hard drive... but it was Apple's implementation of that hard drive that was commendable.

Apple wasn't the first to use a hard drive in an MP3 player, nor was it even the smallest drive available.

Heck, at least a year before the iPod came out with its 1.8" hard drive, I was using a Casio Cassiopeia Pocket PC with a 1" IBM Microdrive in its CF2 socket.

The only special action was Apple grabbing the Toshiba production output before anyone else did, which is actually a common Apple M.O. to stave off direct competition using the same components... similar to the way that Apple bought that formerly common fingerprint sensor company, or bought exclusive use of Liquid Metal after others were already using it in phones, and so forth.

 

[Radon87000]

my point is that apple computers are no longer the kings that they once were. maybe about 10 years ago mac was miles ahead of windows. ios was way superior to android for a while as well. then they just decided to spit out the same crap for years with the only change being that the newest whatever was thinner (and more expensive).

Agreed. Apple is stagnating. The iPhone 8 curved OLED smartphone with glass body and wireless charging (sounds familiar) is basically the S7 Edge yet Apple are going to charge a crazy premium for that OLED next year as if they invented it themselves

 

[I7guy]

my point is that apple computers are no longer the kings that they once were. maybe about 10 years ago mac was miles ahead of windows. ios was way superior to android for a while as well. then they just decided to spit out the same crap for years with the only change being that the newest whatever was thinner (and more expensive).

I can't agree or disagree. Personally I never thought Apple computers were king, but others did. So be it.

iOS is superior to android though.(imo)

 

[Michael Scrip]

Apple wasn't the first to use a hard drive in an MP3 player, nor was it even the smallest drive available.

Heck, at least a year before the iPod came out with its 1.8" hard drive, I was using a Casio Cassiopeia Pocket PC with a 1" IBM Microdrive in its CF2 socket.

The only special action was Apple grabbing the Toshiba production output before anyone else did, which is actually a common Apple M.O. to stave off direct competition using the same components... similar to the way that Apple bought that formerly common fingerprint sensor company, or bought exclusive use of Liquid Metal after others were already using it in phones, and so forth.

I never said Apple was the "first" to use a hard drive in an MP3 player. I said there were others.

But lemme ask you this:

Do you have to be "first" at something to be innovative?

Was the iPod not innovative simply because others had used a hard drive before?

Like I said earlier... a single component choice, by itself, doesn't make something innovative. The tiny hard drive was just one thing that made the iPod a phenomenal device. I look at the total package.

We know Apple didn't make the "first" MP3 player... and they weren't the "first" to use a hard drive instead of flash memory either.

But that doesn't mean Apple didn't innovate when they introduced the iPod. Again... it's the total package.

 

[Radon87000]

Personally I never thought Apple computers were king,

You clearly havent used a Mac.

And Android is actually more like a PC operating system than iOS so funny you like iOS and dislike Android

 

[NT1440]

Agreed. Apple is stagnating. The iPhone 8 curved OLED smartphone with glass body and wireless charging (sounds familiar) is basically the S7 Edge yet Apple are going to charge a crazy premium for that OLED next year as if they invented it themselves

....How is that "basically" an S7 Edge? An actual wireless/gimmick-padless wireless solution is in the S7 Edge?

 

[kdarling]

Was the iPod not innovative simply because others had used a hard drive before?

I didn't say the iPod wasn't innovative.

I simply objected to the idea that its hard drive was the reason

We know Apple didn't make the "first" MP3 player... and they weren't the "first" to use a hard drive instead of flash memory either.

But that doesn't mean Apple didn't innovate when they introduced the iPod. Again... it's the total package.

Yes sir, that's what Apple is (or was) famous for: taking known inventions and wrapping them up in an attractive package with (usually garden walled) associated services to make it all "just work" under a single id with a common purchasing system. Super easy for most users.

 

[I7guy]

You clearly havent used a Mac.

And Android is actually more like a PC operating system than iOS so funny you like iOS and dislike Android

It's my opinion, something subjectiv doesn't have a wrong answer.

The only phone o/s close to a pc is windows.
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I didn't say the iPod wasn't innovative.

I simply objected to the idea that its hard drive was the reason



Yes sir, that's what Apple is (or was) famous for: taking known inventions and wrapping them up in an attractive package with (usually garden walled) associated services to make it all "just work" under a single id with a common purchasing system. Super easy for most users.

It's still famous for innovation in the "real world".

 

[Michael Scrip]

I didn't say the iPod wasn't innovative.

I simply objected to the idea that its hard drive was the reason

It wasn't the fact that Apple used a hard drive... it was the size of the hard drive they used.

That tiny hard drive made the iPod super-compact while also holding a ton of music.

It was the basis of its first slogan: "1,000 songs in your pocket"

Other MP3 players were pocket-sized but with a small amount of flash storage that could only hold a couple dozen songs... or they had 2.5" laptop hard drives which held a lot of songs but also made them rather bulky. I.E. not very portable.

So yes... I believe that the iPod was an innovative MP3 player because of the 1.8" hard drive.

Otherwise... Apple would have done what everyone else had done: 64GB of flash or a huge laptop hard drive.

Or they could have used a MicroDrive which was, IIRC, about $1000 for 1GB at the time.

So the fact that Apple brought a $400 device to market with 5GB of storage should certainly count as an innovation.

And again... we can thank the 1.8" hard drive for that.

 

[kdarling]

And again... we can thank the 1.8" hard drive for that.

For its success? Sure, partially. However, it's still not an Apple technical innovation.

Even Apple's own origin story says that Rubenstein running across the right drive, was just a lucky break

Cheers!

 

[Abazigal]

I never said Apple was the "first" to use a hard drive in an MP3 player. I said there were others.

But lemme ask you this:

Do you have to be "first" at something to be innovative?

Was the iPod not innovative simply because others had used a hard drive before?

Like I said earlier... a single component choice, by itself, doesn't make something innovative. The tiny hard drive was just one thing that made the iPod a phenomenal device. I look at the total package.

We know Apple didn't make the "first" MP3 player... and they weren't the "first" to use a hard drive instead of flash memory either.

But that doesn't mean Apple didn't innovate when they introduced the iPod. Again... it's the total package.

I agree.

A better example might be the iPad.

If you looked at the specs on paper alone, nothing about it seemed innovative. 1024x768 resolution. 256 mb ram. Single core arm processor. Mobile OS. No desktop apps. No mouse support. No multitasking. The list of perceived flaws and shortcomings go on and on.

But miraculously, all these specs came together to create a user experience which was more than the sum of those specs. The innovation we are paying for is essentially Apple's expertise in being able to put all these parts together to offer a user experience which can't be readily replicated by other companies.

It doesn't matter who did it first, but who did it best.

 

[keithjfuller]

I can't agree or disagree. Personally I never thought Apple computers were king, but others did. So be it.

iOS is superior to android though.(imo)

i'd really like to know how it is superior. i'm not starting a war, i just don't see how you can think that. android has a far superior notification system (one which apple has continually tried to copy, but failed miserably). ios is just a home screen with applications. on android i can have the weather, multiple email accounts within view, my news, an editable calendar, and tons more all on my homescreen. i don't even have to open an app to get all that information. i also don't have to use some confusing "widget" area that is limited to a few crummy apps. and if you don't like your homescreen style you can download numerous launchers. on top of that, i can download third party apps that do system level changes. there is NO WAY apple would allow that type of customizability.

i get that ios is basic, simple, and looks pretty. i won't argue that. i would even agree that android is clunky on bad devices. however, i fail to see apple's superiority when compared to higher end android devices.

 

[I7guy]

i'd really like to know how it is superior. i'm not starting a war, i just don't see how you can think that. android has a far superior notification system (one which apple has continually tried to copy, but failed miserably). ios is just a home screen with applications. on android i can have the weather, multiple email accounts within view, my news, an editable calendar, and tons more all on my homescreen. i don't even have to open an app to get all that information. i also don't have to use some confusing "widget" area that is limited to a few crummy apps. and if you don't like your homescreen style you can download numerous launchers. on top of that, i can download third party apps that do system level changes. there is NO WAY apple would allow that type of customizability.

i get that ios is basic, simple, and looks pretty. i won't argue that. i would even agree that android is clunky on bad devices. however, i fail to see apple's superiority when compared to higher end android devices.

Completely subjective as to who prefers what and why. I do what I need to go, quickly and efficiently. I like Apple hardware better and support is excellent. My family and extended family and friends are iOS and we make liberal use of iOS features. I like the ecosystem integration with my iPads and my kids with their macs.

Where I need more horsepower I have a companion sp4, the real deal. This works for me. And I won't argue android is temperamental, not as nice and requires too much maintenance. But this is imho.

What started this was an unnecessary and inflammatory jab at those who like iPhones. Choice is good, isn't it?

 

[Radon87000]

Completely subjective as to who prefers what and why. I do what I need to go, quickly and efficiently. I like Apple hardware better and support is excellent. My family and extended family and friends are iOS and we make liberal use of iOS features. I like the ecosystem integration with my iPads and my kids with their macs.

Where I need more horsepower I have a companion sp4, the real deal. This works for me. And I won't argue android is temperamental, not as nice and requires too much maintenance. But this is imho.

What started this was an unnecessary and inflammatory jab at those who like iPhones. Choice is good, isn't it?

You are repeatedly contradicting yourself . You say Android needs "maintenance" and is insecure (clearly haven't used a Nexus) then turn back and say you prefer Windows which requires infinitely more maintenance than a Mac and is inherently less secure . Also Android is more like Windows than iOS . If you are a power user of Windows (fiddle with the registry , customisation using stardock and such) you will detest iOS so your choices really are baffling , no offence

 

[I7guy]

You are repeatedly contradicting yourself . You say Android needs "maintenance" and is insecure (clearly haven't used a Nexus) then turn back and say you prefer Windows which requires infinitely more maintenance than a Mac and is inherently less secure . Also Android is more like Windows than iOS . If you are a power user of Windows (fiddle with the registry , customisation using stardock and such) you will detest iOS so your choices really are baffling , no offence

No offense taken. However you completely missed the mark. My cell phone and computer provide two different realms of service. Just because I can answer emails on both doesn't make it a converged device(as no android is converged either) you said android is insecure, not me. And in the process of attempting to "call me out" you made stuff up about what I originally posted.

The great thing about Windows and iOS as a team is power, flexibility, reliability and ease of use.

 

[Radon87000]

No offense taken. you said android is insecure, not me. And in the process of attempting to "call me out" you made stuff up about what I originally posted..

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It also lacks the slowness, lag and instability and malware inherent in the infrastructure..

3 of what you mentioned above are there in Windows but not in Mac

However you completely missed the mark. My cell phone and computer provide two different realms of service. Just because I can answer emails on both doesn't make it a converged device(as no android is converged either)

This isnt about which is better at productivity.Its about the nature of the OS itself .You can do anything you want on Windows.Its just as easy to infect Windows.You cant do everything you want on iOS but very difficult to infect it as also for a Mac.

 

[I7guy]

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3 of what you mentioned above are there in Windows but not in Mac


This isnt about which is better at productivity.Its about the nature of the OS itself .You can do anything you want on Windows.Its just as easy to infect Windows.You cant do everything you want on iOS but very difficult to infect it as also for a Mac.

Again some very subjective things that are viewed differently as fact. My Windows isn't slow or infected, and malware is present in both platforms. So your point is moot.