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Yes, read the FAQs, lots of useful information. Do you "own" a "cheap" iPhone? The comment is nonsense as the iPhone is a high-quality device.
Yes, I have owned three which have all had to have their screens replaced, the only ones of the dozen or more phones I have owned because they are overpriced cheaply made products.
 
Cell phones were invented by Motorola in the 1980s, MP3 players were already around, and computers were around since the Turing engine. Best is at best subjective. Here goes the hyperbole again.:rolleyes:
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iPhone is not just any cellphone.Did the Moto have an App Store?Did it have Retina?Was it the fastest phone on he planet?
Did MP3 players have iTunes or an App Store?

You can try to wriggle out as much as you want.Macs and Windows were the start of real computing.Steve Jobs invented the only relevant Windows competitor
Yep, We're all in our way out.:rolleyes: However the team of cook/Ive is in for the long haul.
You clearly haven't read the news. It was pretty much confirmed Ive is (fortunately) leaving the company.Apparently Apple really wants new blood as Ive's design is getting a little long in the tooth.That $300 book was a tribute to him

Yes, read the FAQs, lots of useful information. Do you "own" a "cheap" iPhone? The comment is nonsense as the iPhone is a high-quality device.

Hahaha.Thats a good one.Someone clearly forgot about Touch Disease and hiss gate.Apple isn't even admitting their fault for the former [/QUOTE]
 
iPhone is not just any cellphone.Did the Moto have an App Store?Did it have Retina?Was it the fastest phone on he planet?
Did MP3 players have iTunes or an App Store?

You can try to wriggle out as much as you want.Macs and Windows were the start of real computing.Steve Jobs invented the only relevant Windows competitor

You clearly haven't read the news. It was pretty much confirmed Ive is (fortunately) leaving the company.Apparently Apple really wants new blood as Ive's design is getting a little long in the tooth.That $300 book was a tribute to him



Hahaha.Thats a good one.Someone clearly forgot about Touch Disease and hiss gate.Apple isn't even admitting their fault for the former
Move the goalposts much? What does an app store have to do with dialing a cell phone number? Seems like just a bunch of unrelated random things thrown into posts that don't address the context of the thread.
 
So a datapoint of one enables you to make a broad, sweeping generalization. That's some sound reasoning.
Data point of 3 with 100% breakage, plus my 3GS destroyed itself with battery swelling to breakage of phone; cheaply made, exorbitantly expensive phones. Experience is the best teacher, if 100% of a product fails you learn to avoid that product, as they say, "Three strikes and you're out" and with the battery swelling issue of my 3GS I gave iPhones 4 strikes actually.
 
Move the goalposts much? What does an app store have to do with dialing a cell phone number? Seems like just a bunch of unrelated random things thrown into posts that don't address the context of the thread.
Has everything to do with Jobs inventing the smartphone category as the iPhone is not a conventional cellphone. Have a good day
 
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Data point of 3 with 100% breakage, plus my 3GS destroyed itself with battery swelling to breakage of phone; cheaply made, exorbitantly expensive phones. Experience is the best teacher, if 100% of a product fails you learn to avoid that product, as they say, "Three strikes and you're out" and with the battery swelling issue of my 3GS I gave iPhones 4 strikes actually.

While I hear what you're saying... you realize that it's not 100% of ALL iPhones that fail, right?

I'm sorry you've had bad luck with 4 iPhones... but that's not what happens to every iPhone owner.
 
Data point of 3 with 100% breakage, plus my 3GS destroyed itself with battery swelling to breakage of phone; cheaply made, exorbitantly expensive phones. Experience is the best teacher, if 100% of a product fails you learn to avoid that product, as they say, "Three strikes and you're out" and with the battery swelling issue of my 3GS I gave iPhones 4 strikes actually.
And to add to your point I had to replace my iPhone 6 4 times for yellow tint at the top before I finally settled on one and even that one still has it.My 7 Plus does not have any tint but I guess I was just a lucky guy because one of my friend's iPhone 7 still has that tint at the top
 
Has everything to do with Jobs inventing the smartphone category as the iPhone is not a conventional cellphone. Have a good day
Yes, he invented the iphone 1 as Timmy invented the iphone 5s. Have a great Thanksgiving.
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Data point of 3 with 100% breakage, plus my 3GS destroyed itself with battery swelling to breakage of phone; cheaply made, exorbitantly expensive phones. Experience is the best teacher, if 100% of a product fails you learn to avoid that product, as they say, "Three strikes and you're out" and with the battery swelling issue of my 3GS I gave iPhones 4 strikes actually.
Sounds like you drew the short straw, however, still a data point of essentially one. My data point of one is my iphone 4 is still working. My two iphone 5s are still working, my two ipad 2s are still in service and working well. So to me apple makes high quality products.
 
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So naturally you should also bye Macrumors.com

Actually yes you're right, I was active everyday until that awful MBP release.

Then I updated to iOS 10 this week and realized it was a huge mistake. Apple is getting worse with every new product to the point it appears they're trolling us.
 
Read it again. I think you proved your own post to be useless. Or more accurately, you helped me prove your own post to be useless. It's best to just keep quiet when you have nothing to say vs running off at the mouth while not actually saying anything, which is what you've been doing in this thread.
If that's how you see this, then there's no point in continuing this, as you're too set on your ways to see logic beyond your own. Seems like we're done here.
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But we don't know if it's growing. We have absolutely no information. We have to wait till the quartley calll.

The number here is purely profit. Again, other companies in the industry are selling good volume, but with much smaller profit margins,

The numbers here aren't saying apples profits, volume or anything has gone up.

It's saying it's portion of the entire industry profit is up.

The only thing you can logically claim fro this stat is that Apple has been able to keep their profit margins higher than the competitors. That's it.
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Thanks for the advice,

Will try it out.
It doesn't necessarily matter, for a singular quarter, if appeals profit went up or not, so long as apples share of profits went up. If the smartphone industry as a whole is suffering, but Apple increasingly is doing well, it shows Apple make a superior product to the rest of smartphone makers, rather than iPhones losing popularity or becoming worse.
 
I'm avoiding logic beyond my own yet you're the one avoiding the questions after your own was answered. Nice projection.

So in a nutshell, you can't name a single instance of a company losing sales but continuing to make record breaking profits indefinitely, but are under the impression that Apple will make this unprecedented achievement, and questioning anyone who thinks otherwise.... Even when their opinions are based on history and yours are based on, well... Nothing
 
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Yes, he invented the iphone 1 as Timmy invented the iphone 5s. Have a great Thanksgiving.
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Sounds like you drew the short straw, however, still a data point of essentially one. My data point of one is my iphone 4 is still working. My two iphone 5s are still working, my two ipad 2s are still in service and working well. So to me apple makes high quality products.

Read my post again.Jobs invented the smartphone category.5s is just another run of the mill phone under that category . And what's so revolutionary about the 5s anyway .Its practically just a 5 with a fingerprint sensor

OT-It looks like analysts are saying it's all over for Apple after the 2017 iPhone

http://thenextweb.com/apple/2016/11/24/happy-thanksgiving-apple-face-decade-long-malaise/

"Make no mistake. In the short-to-medium term, Apple is going to be fine. It’s too big and too rich to fail.

But as we all saw with Blackberry, and indeed with Apple in the 1990’s, it’s incredibly easy to fall into a downward spiral that results in the gradual strangulation of the company. The difference is that this time around, there’s no visionary Steve Jobs to save it."

"Models created by Oppenheimer analyst Andrew Uerkwitz suggest that sales of the iPhone (which accounts for an astronomical share of Apple’s profits) are going to peak with next year’s 10th anniversary model"
 
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Read my post again. Jobs invented the smartphone category. 5s is just another run of the mill phone under that category. And what's so revolutionary about the 5s anyway. Its practically just a 5 with a fingerprint sensor

So the iPhone 5S was just an upgraded iPhone 5... which itself was simply an upgraded iPhone 4S... and so on.

But doesn't this same thing happen within ALL categories of products?

Once a category gets established... the products themselves improve slightly over time within that category.

We used to have big heavy CRT televisions. Even though they improved over time... they were fundamentally the same for 80 years.

Then someone invented the flat-panel television.

And every TV since then has just been an improvement of that original flat-panel TV.

But this isn't bad... it's just how it goes.
 
So what would be revolutionary for Apple to do.

They took the texting craze of Blackberry and turned it into a flat touch screen that also played songs well and ran apps.

They took the portable Walkman CD player with its black ear buds and put a hard drive in you pocket with 1000 songs and made the ear buds white.

The took a visual computer interface and packaged it in a cute small desktop package.

They took luggable portable computers to a new lighter level and with a battery that lasted more than 45 minutes on a charge.

They are trying to take the tv industry with a small tv top interface device.

They are taking the pocket digital camera to different levels, you can have your phone and a good camera all in one.

So what other revolutionary idea do you experts think Apple will take and make fashionable and profitable in the future?

Isn't it obvious from your examples?

Apple takes normal everyday technology and makes them more intuitive to use and more personal to us. That's why they are going into new areas such as health, AR and self driving cars. Because they see the potential to make these technologies more personal and intimate and offer a better user experience beyond what the competition can provide.

Apple has shown us that form and function don't have to be mutually exclusive. Thanks to Apple, companies now pay more attention to design and I get to enjoy products that both look great and work great.

That to me is just as important. The emphasis on usability as opposed to just raw specs in a vacuum.
 
Read my post again.Jobs invented the smartphone category.5s is just another run of the mill phone under that category . And what's so revolutionary about the 5s anyway .Its practically just a 5 with a fingerprint sensor

OT-It looks like analysts are saying it's all over for Apple after the 2017 iPhone

http://thenextweb.com/apple/2016/11/24/happy-thanksgiving-apple-face-decade-long-malaise/

"Make no mistake. In the short-to-medium term, Apple is going to be fine. It’s too big and too rich to fail.

But as we all saw with Blackberry, and indeed with Apple in the 1990’s, it’s incredibly easy to fall into a downward spiral that results in the gradual strangulation of the company. The difference is that this time around, there’s no visionary Steve Jobs to save it."

"Models created by Oppenheimer analyst Andrew Uerkwitz suggest that sales of the iPhone (which accounts for an astronomical share of Apple’s profits) are going to peak with next year’s 10th anniversary model"
The smartphone was invented by blackberry. A different type of smartphone was invented by Apple. Wha was so revolutionary about any iPhone, using your logic , just incremental upgrades? Right? See your trying to minimize Tim Cook, while aggrandizing sj; the same logic can be used the other way.

Look at Samsung for a company that's could be in a downward spiral. Exploding phones, appliances, loss of its condumer base. Loosing customer orders. It's easy to see how this could happen even mire quickly than Apple.
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The iPhone 7 is a stop gap measure to make sure the iPhone 8 sales show a huge jump for the Anniversary model.They artifically capped the sales with the 7 release to build up the demand for the iPhone 8.
Prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt, not some other Internet speculation, aka tin foil conspiracy.
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Yes, we do. That's why I didn't buy the iPhone 7. Not at that price.
Someone is buying them.
 
The smartphone was invented by blackberry. A different type of smartphone was invented by Apple. Wha was so revolutionary about any iPhone, using your logic , just incremental upgrades? Right? See your trying to minimize Tim Cook, while aggrandizing sj; the same logic can be used the other way.

Look at Samsung for a company that's could be in a downward spiral. Exploding phones, appliances, loss of its condumer base. Loosing customer orders. It's easy to see how this could happen even mire quickly than Apple.
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Touch Screens.And I havent even gotten started on the display and processing power If it werent for Jobs THIS would have been the result

Android.before.iPhone.jpg


Now THIS is a revolution

Samsung in a downward spiral?Maybe in an alternate dimensions.In case you hadnt noticed,washers and phones arent the only products Sammy makes.SSD,Televisons,Processors,Notebooks,Microwaves.The Note 7 is just a drop in the pond as LG despite not having a Note 7 to deal with STILL could not match Samsung's profits

What are Apple's major revenue sources?Oh yeah 65% on 1 single product.
Prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt, not some other Internet speculation, aka tin foil conspiracy.
The next year iPhone is all the proof I need.This is the first time in 10 years Apple didnt redesign the chassis on a number change.If you observe the difference between iPhone 8 and 7 its mindboggingly HUGE.Curved OLED display,3D Camera,No home button,All glass construction.Apple could have ported over at least a quarter of its features yet they didnt because they want to create a pent up demand like the did for the iPhone 6 and break sales records with 1 release.

Its the reason why analysts are predicting gloomy outlooks for Apple after next year
 
Touch Screens.And I havent even gotten started on the display and processing power If it werent for Jobs THIS would have been the result

Samsung in a downward spiral?Maybe in an alternate dimensions.In case you hadnt noticed,washers and phones arent the only products Sammy makes.SSD,Televisons,Processors,Notebooks,Microwaves.The Note 7 is just a drop in the pond as LG despite not having a Note 7 to deal with STILL could not match Samsung's profits

What are Apple's major revenue sources?Oh yeah 65% on 1 single product.

The next year iPhone is all the proof I need.This is the first time in 10 years Apple didnt redesign the chassis on a number change.If you observe the difference between iPhone 8 and 7 its mindboggingly HUGE.Curved OLED display,3D Camera,No home button,All glass construction.Apple could have ported over at least a quarter of its features yet they didnt because they want to create a pent up demand like the did for the iPhone 6 and break sales records with 1 release.

Its the reason why analysts are predicting gloomy outlooks for Apple after next year
Goldman, GM, Atari, circuit city, Polaroid, sharper image, borders. The too big to fail mentality is just that.

So you haven't proved it from a shadow of a doubt, because there is no proof. There only is reality in this universe.
 
iPhone is not just any cellphone.Did the Moto have an App Store?Did it have Retina?Was it the fastest phone on he planet? Did MP3 players have iTunes or an App Store?

As pointed out to you quite recently, Apple was not the first with an app store, retina, fast CPU/GPU, etc. Nor the first device with a finger friendly UI.

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...-5-market-share.2011987/page-11#post-23891716

Touch Screens.And I havent even gotten started on the display and processing power If it werent for Jobs THIS would have been the result

More nonsense and myth. Some of this also answered in post above.

Moreover, Android was out to compete with Windows Mobile, which is why it had BOTH a cursor and touchscreen driven version.
 
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The iPhone 7 is a stop gap measure to make sure the iPhone 8 sales show a huge jump for the Anniversary model.They artifically capped the sales with the 7 release to build up the demand for the iPhone 8.
but ifanboys still flock to it like it's the greatest invention ever.
 
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Apple was the first to use incredibly easy to break screens.

Serious!!!

My first smart-phone with a screen was a Motorola with that funky spring-loaded flexible touch screen and Android.

It didn't take long to make the jump to iPhone and the quality of its glass screen.

Happy Black Friday all you cynics who's life is all about complaining.
 
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