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The #1 delay for the iPhone not comign to canada yet is that in Canada someone already own the name iPhone. Unlike in the US where Linksys owned the name iPhone and they and Apple came to a reasonable amount for use of the name, the canadian company is a small useless firm that is just looking to cash in on the name and wants a retarded amount of money and is not working much with Apple to come to something more realistic.
So until that legal battle eventually settles, Canada is in limbo as Apple is not going to release the "iPhone" everywhere else in the world and give it another name in Canada.
The Canadian company is Comwave and they are located in Toronto.
 
The Canadian company is Comwave and they are located in Toronto.

We should start a hate mail campaign.

Seriously. Remember in grade school when the teacher said that you'd all stay after class if you weren't all quiet, and then the one kid just wouldn't shut up and spoiled it for everyone?
 
I agree....I`ll take my time to make a fake email addy...They should all be like WEWANTIPHONE1, 2, 3 so on......
 
I agree....I`ll take my time to make a fake email addy...They should all be like WEWANTIPHONE1, 2, 3 so on......

Well, no, we should be reasonable, and not be immature. When the kid spoiled it for everyone, we all ganged up on him and told him we didn't like what he did, we thought it was stupid and counterproductive, and if he kept it up we weren't gonna be friends with him or play with him anymore.

What does the company think it's going to accomplish? So they use the term "iPhone" for a lame VoIP phone service. Assuming they didn't INTENTIONALLY pick that name to capitalize on Apple's success (not saying they did or didn't, as I haven't looked that closely at the timeline), they're holding up technological progress on a HOT item for the ENTIRE COUNTRY because they insist they have trademark rights to the name.

So best case scenario for them, they win the suit, get to keep using "iPhone" for their lame VoIP, and Apple is locked out of Canada? This is what they think consumers want?

We need to tell them that we don't give two farts about what they call their service, and to stop impeding progress for the entire country.
 
Well, no, we should be reasonable, and not be immature. When the kid spoiled it for everyone, we all ganged up on him and told him we didn't like what he did, we thought it was stupid and counterproductive, and if he kept it up we weren't gonna be friends with him or play with him anymore.

What does the company think it's going to accomplish? So they use the term "iPhone" for a lame VoIP phone service. Assuming they didn't INTENTIONALLY pick that name to capitalize on Apple's success (not saying they did or didn't, as I haven't looked that closely at the timeline), they're holding up technological progress on a HOT item for the ENTIRE COUNTRY because they insist they have trademark rights to the name.

So best case scenario for them, they win the suit, get to keep using "iPhone" for their lame VoIP, and Apple is locked out of Canada? This is what they think consumers want?

We need to tell them that we don't give two farts about what they call their service, and to stop impeding progress for the entire country.

Sounds good, we need some sort of petision or something...
 
Yeah. I am with what WAS the alternative -- Fido. It was great. Billing by the second, low rates, CHEAP long distance and roaming fees, no contracts, customer service open all hours of the day, voice mail was just a few bucks, etc. They'd offer you free new phones to upgrade periodically just for being a good customer. Everything you'd want "the good guys" to be.

Alas, Rogers took over and one by one, slowly but surely, services got canceled, hours got pulled back, fees went up and up and up, ... now I feel as shafted as everyone else.

Okay now lets see here I hate to make a canada joke but when your wireless carrier is charging for voicemail its time to relocate
 
Okay now lets see here I hate to make a canada joke but when your wireless carrier is charging for voicemail its time to relocate

Sounds good. Where do you suggest? With the USD heading towards the Mexican peso there would be some good deals down south for Canadians I would imagine.
 
as has been mentioned before, Rogers needs to get some decent data plans in place, otherwise it won't make a difference whether they offer it or not - people won't buy it.

I'd say just to go for the Touch - as functional as the rest of the iPhone and with wi-fi becoming more prevalent, there's not as much need for EDGE.
 
Well, that may just force Rogers' hand on the iPhone. What a killer data plan from Bell! If Rogers doesn't come out with the iPhone and a reasonable data plan soon, I might have to switch!

The cost of data rates have halved in the past 6 months which is great for consumers. This is down to increased competition between the cell phone carriers. Rogers is still lagging.

http://www.thestar.com/article/277267
http://www.thestar.com/article/277964

Well, no, we should be reasonable, and not be immature. When the kid spoiled it for everyone, we all ganged up on him and told him we didn't like what he did, we thought it was stupid and counterproductive, and if he kept it up we weren't gonna be friends with him or play with him anymore.

What does the company think it's going to accomplish? So they use the term "iPhone" for a lame VoIP phone service. Assuming they didn't INTENTIONALLY pick that name to capitalize on Apple's success (not saying they did or didn't, as I haven't looked that closely at the timeline), they're holding up technological progress on a HOT item for the ENTIRE COUNTRY because they insist they have trademark rights to the name.

So best case scenario for them, they win the suit, get to keep using "iPhone" for their lame VoIP, and Apple is locked out of Canada? This is what they think consumers want?

We need to tell them that we don't give two farts about what they call their service, and to stop impeding progress for the entire country.

yes, we need to be reasonable. If another company has got the iPhone trademark then its their right to keep the name - they shouldn't automatically be expected to give it up for Apple. Its an obstacle that Apple needs to work on. Maybe they need to rename iPhone to something else for Canada...

I can't see the trademark 'iPhone' preventing the Canadian release, its more like Rogers and its skyhigh data charges.

If Rogers had been prevented from taking over Fido then maybe the iPhone would have already been here. FIDO used to have great prices on Data.
 
You can now buy the iphone in canada, iphonenow.ca is selling them, for use on rogers/fido, but at 699 it is such a ripoff, these are obviously hacked as well... I almost want one but then I loook at the us and they're only 399:(

oh well maybe 2008, or 9 or when iphone rev. 2 comes out (and we get rev. 1 of course:rolleyes:)
 
His having an iPhone is totally meaningless in terms of iPhones in Switzerland (despite the fact that there's a 99.9% chance that IF the iPhone is every sold here, it will be sold by Swisscom, which has a total monopoly in terms of mobile communications, very much like Rogers in Canada).

Well, if you go by the raw number of subscribers among the 3 largest service providers, there are 6.8 million subscribers combined on the Rogers/Fido networks, 5.9 million Bell Canada subscribers, and 5.1 million Telus subscribers. So I'd hardly call it a total monopoly by any one carrier.

If you break down the market into the various regions, you'll find that Rogers+Fido is often in 2nd or 3rd place locally (with Bell and Telus splitting the difference for the #1 spot, and there can be additional competition due to some smaller regional carriers) but it all adds up to Rogers+Fido hitting the #1 spot nationally.

In terms of the GSM portion of the marketplace, you're right, they have absolutely no competitors with a nation-wide presence. But for most customers the GSM/CDMA distinction is irrelevant, because most of the "desirable" phones are available with versions for both CDMA and GSM networks.
 
We should start a hate mail campaign.

Comwave is USING the iPhone name since 2004. It reminds me of the "use it or lose it" deal. And yes, they are trying to get money from Apple (can't find the source of that... sorry) Pretty bad for the once I thought good company.

es el nuevo peso ahora. :D

In 1992 Mexico changed to a "nuevo peso" -> 1000 Pesos = 1 Nuevo Peso. In time they dropped "new" from the name. As of today USD $1 = $11,000 Old Pesos = 11 (new) Pesos
 
I'd say just to go for the Touch - as functional as the rest of the iPhone and with wi-fi becoming more prevalent, there's not as much need for EDGE.

That's actually what I ended up doing, in a way.. I bought a Touch the other day while it was on sale, and have been playing with it for a while. I've jailbreak'd it and installed all the iPhone apps. Almost as good as the real thing.

I've decided that this form factor makes a great iPod, but I'm not so convinced I would want this to be my phone anymore. I treat the iPod Touch with utter care, and I'm constantly wiping it down and checking it over. Meanwhile, my current cell phone sits in my pants pocket where it gets crushed together with my car keys all day long. The iPod Touch would be too big to fit in that pocket (not that I'd want it there anyway) so where would I put it?

Perhaps the iPhone isn't for me, after all. I'll keep the Touch in a jacket or shirt pocket when I want the music or other tech gadgetry, and the ol' rough and tumble cell phone will stay in my pocket.
 
yes, we need to be reasonable. If another company has got the iPhone trademark then its their right to keep the name - they shouldn't automatically be expected to give it up for Apple. Its an obstacle that Apple needs to work on. Maybe they need to rename iPhone to something else for Canada...

I can't see the trademark 'iPhone' preventing the Canadian release, its more like Rogers and its skyhigh data charges.

No i think it is the hold up, there are enough iPhones in Canada that there obviously is a market for it even though rogers sucks.

Now is it unfair for comwave to have to compete with the APPLE iPhone? Probably yes, but at the same time puting that i in front of a name is just stealing apples thunder and they know it.

I just ended up getting a touch as well, it's really nice i must say.
 
No i think it is the hold up, there are enough iPhones in Canada that there obviously is a market for it even though rogers sucks.

Now is it unfair for comwave to have to compete with the APPLE iPhone? Probably yes, but at the same time puting that i in front of a name is just stealing apples thunder and they know it.

I just ended up getting a touch as well, it's really nice i must say.

Erm, how is Comcast stealing Apple's thunder? This is a typical Apple Fan Boy response. As the poster above stated, Comcast has been using the iPhone name since 2004... WAAAAY before the iPhone. Apple didn't 'invent' the i<something> either... they jumped on the same bandwagon as everyone else.

Comcast should not be blamed for holding up the iPhone in Canada - its their trademark that they are actively using and should not be expected to give it up. Apple could rename the iPhone to something else for the Canadian market and be out tomorrow if that was the 'only' reason.
 
You can now buy the iphone in canada, iphonenow.ca is selling them, for use on rogers/fido, but at 699 it is such a ripoff, these are obviously hacked as well... I almost want one but then I loook at the us and they're only 399:(

oh well maybe 2008, or 9 or when iphone rev. 2 comes out (and we get rev. 1 of course:rolleyes:)
LOL, they bill themselves as, "Canada's Source for Purchasing the iPhone in Canada".

I thought Craigslist was!

They charge a small 'premium'. They probably charge tax on top of the $650 or whatever they are charging. You can get on on CL for about $500-$550 (all in).

Better yet, if you happen to be going to the US, you can pick one up for about $430 (including tax). If you get charged taxes on the way back into Canada, the worst case is $480 (actually worst case is if you don't declare it and get caught and they confiscate it).

You can unlock it in an hour or so.

Yes, I agree, I'd wait for future phones. I had one for about two week and sold it. It's a glorified iPod with a phone; but it was very cool!
 
Now is it unfair for comwave to have to compete with the APPLE iPhone? Probably yes, but at the same time puting that i in front of a name is just stealing apples thunder and they know it.
You people pissing on Comwave have nerve. Check this article from just days after Apple's iPhone announcement. Clearly Comwave had it first in Canada and had actually been using the name. Sure they are small, but why should they give it up. Just because Apple wants it. Give me a break.

Apple needs to direct some of its creativity to a global name for the device. I'm getting tired the iNames anyway.
 
You people pissing on Comwave have nerve. Check this article from just days after Apple's iPhone announcement. Clearly Comwave had it first in Canada and had actually been using the name. Sure they are small, but why should they give it up. Just because Apple wants it. Give me a break.

Apple needs to direct some of its creativity to a global name for the device. I'm getting tired the iNames anyway.
That article is erroneous. Apple applied for the Canadian trademark in October 2004. Comwave claims that it started selling the iPhone in June 2004. I have not yet seen any evidence that Comwave started selling its iPhone in June 2004. Further complicating the matter, Ocean Telecom, which has a history of acting on behalf of Apple, applied for the same trademark in July 2004. Ocean also applied for the trademark in the U.S. in December 2003. Under Canadian trademark law, date of filing in another country can be used as the de facto date of application in Canada. In other words, Ocean applied for the trademark well before the date Comwave claims to have started using the name. Out of all of the interested parties, Comwave was actually the last to submit an application for the trademark. It was just the first to use the name for a product on the market.

I might note that Comwave is not a particularly scrupulous company, and there is little about it that is Canadian. It is fully owned by a Chinese international investment conglomerate, Founder Group, and it is currently using the TM indicator in association with its iPhone products, even though it has not been awarded the trademark.
 
MacinDoc,

That was some very interesting information. If true, that changes my opinion.
Thanks. Here is a summary of the VOIP services that were available in Canada in July 2004. There is a notable absence from the list.

The Canadian trademark dispute is expected to take 2-3 year to resolve, by the way.

I should credit this article for much of the information in my previous post.
 
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